Andrew "missing in action" McLeod

[Jars458]

You have got to be kidding??!??! When the pressure was on he was pretty much the only one stadning up and having a crack. watch the replay and have a look at how many goals he gave off and the GREAT pressure he put on. this whole argument about his skills is ridiculous, the only time he burns the ball is when he occasionally kicks around his body without looking. i would have had 10 mathew bodes in the side yesterday.

When did I say he didn't have a crack

He works him bum off ever week no doubt about that.

Did you see his attempted pass to Doughty in the last quarter when he had 20m of space to aim at and he nearly hit the fence on the full? That's what I mean.

Turnovers kill you in the AFL and in my view he will turn it over far too much.

I agree its arguable whether the positives you get out of his endeavour and toughness is outweigher by the skill errors.

Siffy - Wirrpunda was ok but a bit down. Agreed Bode is a good defensive match up on him. But would Douglas be worse?

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

You have got to be kidding??!??! When the pressure was on he was pretty much the only one stadning up and having a crack. watch the replay and have a look at how many goals he gave off and the GREAT pressure he put on. this whole argument about his skills is ridiculous, the only time he burns the ball is when he occasionally kicks around his body without looking. i would have had 10 mathew bodes in the side yesterday.

Over the last 2 weeks IMO Bode has been one of our most consistent players.

 

[arrowman]

Over the last 2 weeks IMO Bode has been one of our most consistent players.

I agree. Always puts in a full-bore effort, has very good skills (especially close in - he made some very good quick gives yesterday) and a good kick for goal. Picking out one clanger is a shallow analysis of Bode's contribution.

As for McLeod being MIA - WTF?

 

[Jars458]

I agree. Always puts in a full-bore effort, has very good skills (especially close in - he made some very good quick gives yesterday) and a good kick for goal. Picking out one clanger is a shallow analysis of Bode's contribution.

As for McLeod being MIA - WTF?

No more shallow than yours I would have thought.

Don't really have time to watch the replay and write a report on his every disposal, though I may just do that.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I agree. Always puts in a full-bore effort, has very good skills (especially close in - he made some very good quick gives yesterday) and a good kick for goal. Picking out one clanger is a shallow analysis of Bode's contribution.

As for McLeod being MIA - WTF?

Bodey, Reilly and Van Berlo have all exceeded my expectations so far this year.

 

[arrowman]

No more shallow than yours I would have thought.

That's footy isn't it, we all have our opinions. Can you imagine a Match Committee on Thursday night made up of the people from this board?

Don't really have time to watch the replay and write a report on his every disposal, though I may just do that.

If I had a tape of the game I might just take you up on that Disposal analysis at 20 paces!

 

[arrowman]

Bodey, Reilly and Van Berlo have all exceeded my expectations so far this year.

Agree - although in the case of Bode and Reilly it's probably more "lived up to what we should expect from them". Reilly in particular has put himself in harder than last year, and has won more contested ball - which I think most people would say were the things he needed to work on. His disposal yesterday was pretty good, he missed the target a few times but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe there.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Agree - although in the case of Bode and Reilly it's probably more "lived up to what we should expect from them". Reilly in particular has put himself in harder than last year, and has won more contested ball - which I think most people would say were the things he needed to work on. His disposal yesterday was pretty good, he missed the target a few times but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe there.

And those 2 lads (Reilly and Bode) are 1st and 2nd on this team in tackling. There is a golden rule "Soft players are not good tacklers".

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

And those 2 lads (Reilly and Bode) are 1st and 2nd on this team in tackling. There is a golden rule "Soft players are not good tacklers".

Reilly first, wow you can't ask for much more improvement than that. he made a few errors yesterday but overall I didn't think he was too bad.

 

[Mad Dog]

Macca got us back in the game after 3/4 time......if he hadn't shanked that last kick at goal it might have been a different story. I didn't think he was our worst yesterday.....I'd be asking questions of those who had humungous clanger rates

This year so far as a percentage of possessions

Biglands - 20%
Clarke - 19.72%
Thompson - 16.79%
Stevens - 15.53%
Perrie - 14.45%
Reilly - 13.97%
McGregor - 13.39%


McLeod - 7.78%

Give me an outrider that actually uses it anyday......

 

[beartoo]

Interesting stats, Mad Dog. Where do you get 'em?
Agreed players need to minimise clangers, but I still say no one player cost us the game against WC. AFC win when it plays team football and it didn't for a half and a bit. Also, many clangers came from the great pressure WC exerted. Watch the replay and see how f'ing quick they were at the man, especially in the 1st half. It was a bit like facing a really quick bowler. A 70th of a second to make up your mind.
A panel from this board to select the side? I'd like to be a fly on the wall. You'd have to have each person in a cage, or else it's be a case of last man or woman standing selecting the side.

 

[arrowman]

Interesting stats, Mad Dog.

Yes, they are. I think those stats may flatter the team, or some players, because - I think there were many efforts on Sunday that didn't completely miss the target, but were "off" enough to make it very difficult for the receiving player, and they may not have counted as "clangers" in the stats.

Also, many clangers came from the great pressure WC exerted. Watch the replay and see how f'ing quick they were at the man, especially in the 1st half. It was a bit like facing a really quick bowler. A 70th of a second to make up your mind.

Yes that's true, but on the other hand I also think we made mistakes when there was no immediate (physical) pressure.

A panel from this board to select the side? I'd like to be a fly on the wall. You'd have to have each person in a cage, or else it's be a case of last man or woman standing selecting the side.

I think whenever any of us wants to criticise the team selections we should carry that mental image (of BF posters picking the team) and realise what a tough job the committee has.

 

[Crow-mo]

You have got to be kidding??!??! When the pressure was on he was pretty much the only one stadning up and having a crack. watch the replay and have a look at how many goals he gave off and the GREAT pressure he put on. this whole argument about his skills is ridiculous, the only time he burns the ball is when he occasionally kicks around his body without looking. i would have had 10 mathew bodes in the side yesterday.

no, no, no.

that's the not the script. If Bode kicks 10, he needs to be dropped because he should have given off 15 to someone in better position.

repeat after me "bode is a bad player" and don't let anything like performance tell you otherwise

otherwise, well said.

 

[Mad Dog]

Interesting stats, Mad Dog. :

All available from the official stats....total clangers divided by total disposals gives a percentage of ********ed up disposals.

eg Biglands has fluffed 20% of his disposals this year....Macca only 7%

 

[Mad Dog]

Yes, they are. I think those stats may flatter the team, or some players, because - I think there were many efforts on Sunday that didn't completely miss the target, but were "off" enough to make it very difficult for the receiving player, and they may not have counted as "clangers" in the stats.

This is a huge problem with the stats Arrowman......any disposal that actually goes to grass is not counted as a clanger....this is why Mick Doughty's clanger stats don't look that bad sometimes 'cos when he misses....he misses by such a large margin that the statistician just figures he is kicking for touch.....

 

[Captain Pants]

You've got to be kidding!

Macca was in our best 5 or 6

The way the games played now every team has a period when they are on top and dominating the game - so a so called four quarter effort may not be a reality any more, its more to the point of how much you can score when you are on top in a game.

After all a 2 point loss to a genuine premiership contender is not a time to be calling for heads.

Have some faith in your team.