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Andy Otten's positional history

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Has anyone we've ever touted as a possibility to move into the midfield ever actually ended up there? Otten, Smith, Porplyzia, Johncock...?

Yes, yes... Goodwin, Roo, Macca, Tyson. From 20 years ago.
Yes Charlie :cool:

No-one touted Johncock, except Johncock

No-one touted Otten except some BF posters ......was never a midfielder at AFL level, but he is a natural forward
 
No i am just posting for fun :rolleyes:
Makes sense then.

I'm sure if you were to google "Andy Otten midfielder" or "Graham Johncock midfielder" you'd quickly find out how wrong you are.

As for Andy Otten being a natural forward, most natural forwards are good kicks for shot which Otten is not. Alright at going for it but I'm not sure I'd call him a natural forward with his goal kicking ability.
 
Makes sense then.

I'm sure if you were to google "Andy Otten midfielder" or "Graham Johncock midfielder" you'd quickly find out how wrong you are.

As for Andy Otten being a natural forward, most natural forwards are good kicks for shot which Otten is not. Alright at going for it but I'm not sure I'd call him a natural forward with his goal kicking ability.
Andy otten is a most natural backmen.
 

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Makes sense then.

I'm sure if you were to google "Andy Otten midfielder" or "Graham Johncock midfielder" you'd quickly find out how wrong you are.

As for Andy Otten being a natural forward, most natural forwards are good kicks for shot which Otten is not. Alright at going for it but I'm not sure I'd call him a natural forward with his goal kicking ability.

In 2013 playing part time forward he kicked 15 goals 4points according to footywire .com. That's fairly accurate for mine.
 
From memory he played pretty deep and most of his shots came from within 15m and his shonky goal kicking style couldnt be tested.
Cmon ....now you're guessing to support your argument that he's more a backman .....he played his WHOLE junior career ..and was drafted by us as a forward/mid

Fact is anyone who knows footy and leading patterns will tell you Otten has those instincts that you can't teach a Jenkins ......who wouldn't know lateral movement if it hit him in the face
 
Makes sense then.

I'm sure if you were to google "Andy Otten midfielder" or "Graham Johncock midfielder" you'd quickly find out how wrong you are.

As for Andy Otten being a natural forward, most natural forwards are good kicks for shot which Otten is not. Alright at going for it but I'm not sure I'd call him a natural forward with his goal kicking ability.
No other way of putting this nicely .....you're just plain wrong ;)
 
Cmon ....now you're guessing to support your argument that he's more a backman .....he played his WHOLE junior career ..and was drafted by us as a forward/mid

Fact is anyone who knows footy and leading patterns will tell you Otten has those instincts that you can't teach a Jenkins ......who wouldn't know lateral movement if it hit him in the face
Im allowed to back up my opinion. I thought it was pretty well known hes a good mark but not a great kick.
 
Cmon ....now you're guessing to support your argument that he's more a backman .....he played his WHOLE junior career ..and was drafted by us as a forward/mid

Fact is anyone who knows footy and leading patterns will tell you Otten has those instincts that you can't teach a Jenkins ......who wouldn't know lateral movement if it hit him in the face
How many times has Jenkins kicked 40+ goals and how many times has Otten?
 
Im allowed to back up my opinion. I thought it was pretty well known hes a good mark but not a great kick.
his kicking is a bit of a helicoptor, doesn't spin classically ......but it's relatively straight

No-one has ever discussed Otten not being a good kick ????
 

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How many times has Jenkins kicked 40+ goals and how many times has Otten?

Remember that in any argument about Jenkins we have to subtract all his goals he got over the back because they can't count toward his tally. Also, the ones he has kicked from the centre square, because there aren't that many, plus the ones from tight on the boundary were flukes. ;)

Then he and Otten are equal on goal tally.
 
Cmon ....now you're guessing to support your argument that he's more a backman .....he played his WHOLE junior career ..and was drafted by us as a forward/mid

Fact is anyone who knows footy and leading patterns will tell you Otten has those instincts that you can't teach a Jenkins ......who wouldn't know lateral movement if it hit him in the face
You said a few posts ago that Otten was never touted as a midfielder yet here you are saying he was drafted as a mid/forward?

And where does he play his first full season at AFL level (and probably his best season)? As a defender.
 
How many times has Jenkins kicked 40+ goals and how many times has Otten?
silly analysis .......firstly football is about watching the game ...not watching the stats book

Otherwise ...choose a team each week based on player stats :rolleyes:

In recruiting .....why have recruiting teams at all :rolleyes: ......simply look at each U18 players stats ......that's what Richmond used to do, along with brief video tape visuals .....WOW that worked beautifully for them

Jenkins plays every game as a forward ......Otten filled in after Tex went down and had not trained at all with the forwards

But ok ....if we're going to argue this on Stats

Jenkins (2013) 24 goals 24 behinds .....from 17 games
Otten (2013) 15 goals 4 behinds .........from 17 games (can't remember if he played forward straight after Tex was injured)?
 
You said a few posts ago that Otten was never touted as a midfielder yet here you are saying he was drafted as a mid/forward?

And where does he play his first full season at AFL level (and probably his best season)? As a defender.
Cmon ....get your context right ! .......recruited as a Forwrd/mid is one thing .......he had played all his footy back and was touted on this board as a midfielder ONLY because of media reports, not some glorious incite by anyone

They are separate discussions on different timelines that you can't merge together because it suits your purpose ......get the context of the statements made correct
 
I can't believe the LACK OF EXCITEMENT ...about the possibility of having an excitement machine like Charlie in the midfield .......total apathy by posters

This is fantastic news !!!!

I said from training, Charlie has gone to another level .....Macleod Mk2 ......but still more excitement around the new toys

Very excited, he has the potential to be one of the league's most dangerous players in transition to attack, just needed the tank for it which he looks to be developing.

Yes Charlie :cool:

No-one touted Johncock, except Johncock

No-one touted Otten except some BF posters ......was never a midfielder at AFL level, but he is a natural forward

I may be mistaken but I'm fairly sure Otten was training as a midfielder in the preseason he first did his knee. Also, yes there has been discussion on here about Otten's kicking for goal, although I wasn't a part of it.
 

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Very excited, he has the potential to be one of the league's most dangerous players in transition to attack, just needed the tank for it which he looks to be developing.
I'm serious that he can be a version of Macleod .....Mk2

ATS you'd be silly to suggest as good ......but this is Camerons 3rd season ....barring injury we have an absolute beauty ......but hey lets talk enthusiastically about players who couldn't make their teams last season, rather than our homegrown potential champions

I may be mistaken but I'm fairly sure Otten was training as a midfielder in the preseason he first did his knee. Also, yes there has been discussion on here about Otten's kicking for goal, although I wasn't a part of it.
Otten had one season where he pushed to be a midfielder ....it was at the time of Freo's big bodied midfielders were being highlighted .......he played IIRC a handfull of games in the midfield and was exposed badly for slow footwork around the stoppages

As far as Ottens kicking for goal being discussed ....no doubt ...this board nit-picks every players poor games .......but there has never been an ongoing consensus on this board to Ottens bad kicking .....simply ongoing emphasis on his leg speed
 
silly analysis .......firstly football is about watching the game ...not watching the stats book

Otherwise ...choose a team each week based on player stats :rolleyes:

In recruiting .....why have recruiting teams at all :rolleyes: ......simply look at each U18 players stats ......that's what Richmond used to do, along with brief video tape visuals .....WOW that worked beautifully for them

Jenkins plays every game as a forward ......Otten filled in after Tex went down and had not trained at all with the forwards

But ok ....if we're going to argue this on Stats

Jenkins (2013) 24 goals 24 behinds .....from 17 games
Otten (2013) 15 goals 4 behinds .........from 17 games (can't remember if he played forward straight after Tex was injured)?
I see a lot of words but I dont see a lot of substance. Silly analysis.
You simply cant compare Otten and Jenkins as forwards. Since 2013 Jenkins has improved rapidly and I doubt very much if Otten was not injured he would have showed the same improvement in the same position.
I watch plenty of football and dont really look at stats too much thankyou very much. I even used my memory bank to back up my opinion a couple of posts ago or does that count as a stat?
 
Otten had one season where he pushed to be a midfielder ....it was at the time of Freo's big bodied midfielders were being highlighted .......he played IIRC a handfull of games in the midfield and was exposed badly for slow footwork around the stoppages


I think whether he would have made it as a midfielder is beside the point I was attempting to make, which was to refute your claim that it was just some supporters on this board who saw his move to the midfield as a possibility, the club also thought the same even if it was for a brief moment in time.

As far as Ottens kicking for goal being discussed ....no doubt ...this board nit-picks every players poor games .......but there has never been an ongoing consensus on this board to Ottens bad kicking .....simply ongoing emphasis on his leg speed

Correct, there was no consensus. The discussion centered around the question of whether he had an ugly yet effective kick or an ugly and bad kick combined with a bit of luck and some easy shots. Personally I thought his limited time up forward was insufficient for me to form an oppinion either way.
 
I see a lot of words but I dont see a lot of substance. Silly analysis.
You simply cant compare Otten and Jenkins as forwards. Since 2013 Jenkins has improved rapidly and I doubt very much if Otten was not injured he would have showed the same improvement in the same position.
I watch plenty of football and dont really look at stats too much thankyou very much. I even used my memory bank to back up my opinion a couple of posts ago or does that count as a stat?
Of course you can't ......but you did by drawing comparisons

Jenkins is a KPF ......Otten is not, being more your lead up third marking tall or as he did playing Tex's role up around the HF line

As to the projection of Ottens development without the knee injuries OR future demise after the latest knee ....no-one has an ability to have any inkling on that
 
Correct, there was no consensus. The discussion centered around the question of whether he had an ugly yet effective kick or an ugly and bad kick combined with a bit of luck and some easy shots. Personally I thought his limited time up forward was insufficient for me to form an oppinion either way.


 
I think you'll find that WW will use stats to back an argument if they suit. But if they're used against his view, you get the "I watch footy with my eyes"
i used both arguments .....but in the end, the clubs view is the major decider ......Otten's 2 year contract extension shows what the club thinks of Otten ......and they have to make hard calls
 

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