Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[sdfc]

Better off ignoring him. These megalomaniacs want a response so they can continue a public tit for tat, better to just deprive them of oxygen.

If only our media would.

 

[Puddy]

Because the RC really made banking and Aged Care better hey

 

[QuietB]

The last person in our region to target a mosque was a white Australian. Killed 50-odd Muslims.

And the New Zealanders acted with class and dignity and did not turn that heinous crime into a political circus.

 

[Sttew]

And the New Zealanders acted with class and dignity and did not turn that heinous crime into a political circus.

Yes. And a Royal Commission was immediately called, the biggest in NZ's history, leaving it to an independent Supreme Court of NZ judge to preside over the inquiry.

And the reason why a Royal Commission was called was because the mass shooting was so extreme and exceptional. The government stated a Royal Commission would, "investigate whether public sector agencies could have prevented the terrorist attack and to identify improvements to national security, firearms licensing, and social cohesion".

 

[Rob R]

Why would a radical Islamist target a mosque?

Radical Islamists favourite target is moderate Muslims.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Radical Islamists favourite target is moderate Muslims.

Maybe in majority Muslim countries, they have a much bigger target in Western Countries - us infidels.

Once they get rid of us, then they start persecuting their own.

 

[Not Important]

Conversely, reading your posts leads one to conclude you don’t give a shit about what happened in Bondi because Muslims have been killed elsewhere. Got it good!

except i’ve been very critical of the bondi shooting. montrosity. atrocity, appalling are but a few of the words i’ve used to describe the bondi outrage. unlike you, who has said little about other matters of equal moment, like islamophia. i can’t recall one post or criticism about israel killing 10s of 1000s of largely indefensible people in gaza in the israel thread . not one. or here now i think of it. i can see the broader context, the bigger picture, of intolerance, hypocrisy, racism et al. if you read more widely, like the commentray, from the jewish council of australia, perhaps you may connect the dots, become open-minded and - maybe even - be taken seriously. you express poorly informed, narrow views, with more than a sniff of racism.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

except i’ve been very critical of the bondi shooting. montrosity. atrocity, appalling are but a few of the words i’ve used to describe the bondi outrage. unlike you, who has said little about other matters of equal moment, like islamophia. i can’t recall one post or criticism about israel killing 10s of 1000s of largely indefensible people in gaza in the israel thread . not one. or here now i think of it. i can see the broader context, the bigger picture, of intolerance, hypocrisy, racism et al. if you read more widely, like the commentray, from the jewish council of australia, perhaps you may connect the dots, become open-minded and - maybe even - be taken seriously. you express poorly informed, narrow views, with more than a sniff of racism.

Lol, yeah - totally equivalent.

 

[Not Important]

 

[Not Important]

Lol, yeah - totally equivalent.

you're right. islamophobia is arguably more of an issue universally.

 

[Festerz]

The second part of that post from Windsor is the important one..It explains motives and likely outcomes succinctly…



Our government is being played by Israeli sponsored right wing Jewish representatives groups whose aims could not be further from peace and unity and are using this tragedy for nefarious reasons.

 

[QuietB]

The second part of that post from Windsor is the important one..It explains motives and likely outcomes succinctly…



Our government is being played by Israeli sponsored right wing Jewish representatives groups whose aims could not be further from peace and unity and are using this tragedy for nefarious reasons.

I think the more likely outcome is that the Israel President does not bother coming at all and Albanese probably knows this.

 

[Sttew]

except i’ve been very critical of the bondi shooting. montrosity. atrocity, appalling are but a few of the words i’ve used to describe the bondi outrage. unlike you, who has said little about other matters of equal moment, like islamophia. i can’t recall one post or criticism about israel killing 10s of 1000s of largely indefensible people in gaza in the israel thread . not one. or here now i think of it. i can see the broader context, the bigger picture, of intolerance, hypocrisy, racism et al. if you read more widely, like the commentray, from the jewish council of australia, perhaps you may connect the dots, become open-minded and - maybe even - be taken seriously. you express poorly informed, narrow views, with more than a sniff of racism.

WOW!

I missed the memo that I cannot comment on Albo’s response to the Bondii shooting or antisemitism in Australia unless I had posted in the Israel / Palestine threads and unless I had also prefaced any remarks by first acknowledging what has befallen folk in Gaza.

I haven’t posted at all in the Israel thread as apart from AFL I generally only have time on BF for Australian politics. Besides if I want to view a thread full of re-posts by you of Tweets by random left wing has-beens like Mike Carlton, I’d go to X. If you want to be taken seriously change your name, come up with your own ideas and not those ideas of others in bitesized Tweets, and use proper grammar, like Capitals and paragraphs. I only offer these thoughts because you felt the need to lecture me.

As for the rest of your post, all I can say is shame on you for being such a hypocrite. Sadly you can’t see it.

BTW this all stemmed from my post saying there should be a royal commission. You use the NZ mass shooting as some sort of justification for not having a RC yet it was the first thing the NZ government did after the 2019 shootings.

 

[Festerz]

I think the more likely outcome is that the Israel President does not bother coming at all and Albanese probably knows this.

I hope so.

Everyone expect the Zionist lobby, LNP, One Nation, NewsCorp and the majority of commercial media hacks wants him not to come either.

 

[QuietB]

I hope so.

Everyone expect the Zionist lobby, LNP, One Nation, NewsCorp and the majority of commercial media hacks wants him not to come either.

I don't know much about him but he apparently leads a centre left party (in Israel this could mean anything - but apparently it is Labor). He does support the Israeli defence forces in Gaza but he is resisting a presidential pardon for Netenyahu's corruption charges. He also acknowledges the huge schisms in Israeli society and between Jews generally and the need to work to fix these.

It is hard to make sense of where he sits. He does not sound like a hard core zionist. Interestingly he is the first president actually born in Israel.

 

[sherb]

But it's not what this discussion is about. Were 15 innocent Muslims shot dead a week ago in Australia?

No, you're thinking of Christchurch in 2019. A terror attack committed by an Australian. Just reverse the digits above and you will arrive at the death toll.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I have already in several posts tried to do that, but I’m obviously not articulate enough; others can explain it better than me.

Antisemitism: how the origins of history’s oldest hatred still hold sway today

Antisemitic incidents are on the rise across the globe. To understand this modern hatred we need to look into the past and understand its origins.

theconversation.com

It’s ok to line up antisemitism with all the other prejudices in the world but right now, when it is the issue of intense focus right now, don’t you think it deserves to be concentrated on exclusively without looking for equivalences to downplay it?

Basically no, it does not deserve to be concentrated on exclusively

 

[Festerz]

I don't know much about him but he apparently leads a centre left party (in Israel this could mean anything - but apparently it is Labor). He does support the Israeli defence forces in Gaza but he is resisting a presidential pardon for Netenyahu's corruption charges. He also acknowledges the huge schisms in Israeli society and between Jews generally and the need to work to fix these.

It is hard to make sense of where he sits. He does not sound like a hard core zionist. Interestingly he is the first president actually born in Israel.

Yeah, I’m not up to speed on Israeli politics either. I just think inviting foreign politicians to Australia at a time we are navigating a tragedy which politicians are manipulating for their own ends can only end badly.

Not in any way promoting what this poster is saying is based in truth. Just using it as an indicator of where this discussion is likely to go if he actually comes here.

 

[Donakebab]

The amount of people just brushing off or laughing about threats to our Prime Minister is frightening.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/sydney-man-arrested-over-alleged-prime-minister-kidnap-threat/news-story/100680fe83ae261fb644149826ab58bd

 

[CM86]

The problem is, that after enough time has passed where the majority of us normal Aussies have gone back to life as usual.
The far right rhetoric around blaming Albo and Labor will still be the same.

So most of Australia will have had months of being smothered by lies around 'Albo failing us'. And how 'we need a Federal RC, because it's actually Victoria's fault'.

 

[CM86]

When enough time has passed and the majority have once again tuned out of Australian politics... and all they get is daily 'reminders' of 'Albo evil, ALP bad, Victoria needs Libs' etc... That's when we'll look back and wish Turnbull had never been put in charge Media Diversity in Australia. And we'll wish Albo had actually done something to protect us during his two terms.
"Albo was booed at the event because he shouldn't have been there. Also Wong is evil for not turning up to the event!".


Much was learned from the Covid era.
Get in fast and extreme with insane conspiracies... and you'll get more and more people onside over time.
Formally sane people still oppose certain vaccinations now... They're still broken and radicalised.

The targeted weaponisation of social media works. And we don't have anything to counter it.
Everyone knows a family member who became anti-vax over the last 6 years. (And if you don't, it's because you're the anti-vaxxer).

 

[Gralin]

Maybe in majority Muslim countries, they have a much bigger target in Western Countries - us infidels.

Once they get rid of us, then they start persecuting their own.

Unable to take the obvious L as always I see

 

[CM86]

The problem is, that after enough time has passed where the majority of us normal Aussies have gone back to life as usual.
The far right rhetoric around blaming Albo and Labor will still be the same.

So most of Australia will have had months of being smothered by lies around 'Albo failing us'. And how 'we need a Federal RC, because it's actually Victoria's fault'.

What I mean by this, is that while we're all mostly coming together as Australian's against this tragedy, at some point we will move forward. But the rhetoric from the far right, won't.

So while it's really positive to see the outpouring of unity and opposition the dishonesty from Ley, Lesser, McCormack, Frydenberg, AJA, Murdoch, ABC etc.
They will continue this until people move on. And that's when people will start to agree with the narrative.
It's how advertising has always worked. Exposure and repetition.

By the time the Federal Election comes around, most Aussies will think that Albo is too weak to keep us safe.
The same way Shorten 'just didn't seem very likeable'.

 

[QuietB]

What I mean by this, is that while we're all mostly coming together as Australian's against this tragedy, at some point we will move forward. But the rhetoric from the far right, won't.

So while it's really positive to see the outpouring of unity and opposition the dishonesty from Ley, Lesser, McCormack, Frydenberg, AJA, Murdoch, ABC etc.
They will continue this until people move on. And that's when people will start to agree with the narrative.
It's how advertising has always worked. Exposure and repetition.

By the time the Federal Election comes around, most Aussies will think that Albo is too weak to keep us safe.
The same way Shorten 'just didn't seem very likeable'.

Except;

1/ everyone remembers Tony Abbott and Morrison and know that the Liberals are completely inept.

2/ no one but boomers consumes the Murdoch press anymore. The model is broken

Shorten lost because he went for too much all at once. Which is probably why Albanese does not go for enough.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

2/ no one but boomers consumes the Murdoch press anymore. The model is broken

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