I can't watch their games anymore, the umpiring is so one sided.
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Are Collingwood the most protected team in the competition?
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I can tell you didn't watch the game. Rocca was being held onto all day long and didn’t win a free kick. Cloke took a few great marks that were taken off him due to having hands in the back, and yet Robertson did the very same thing in the goal square and he wasn’t penalised.
The poor decisions went BOTH ways.
Both Collingwood and West Coke are the most protected teams in the competition. If Rutten was able to get away with half of what Prestigiacomo and Glass pull he would never of had a goal scored on him this season. Also the midfield's on both sides are practically untouchable without giving away a free kick.
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Or the free paid to Collingwood when the Melb player was frustrated at his team mate's kick to him and threw the ball into the chair and a 50m penalty for him questionning WHY? No expletives, just why?
Bloody strange umpiring.... oh but hang on McLaren was umpiring!
Bloody strange umpiring.... oh but hang on McLaren was umpiring!
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I was at todays game and if anything, Collingwood were crucified. The umpiring in the first half was absolutely deplorable and they were mostly going Melbourne's way. There were a lot of even uppers at the start of the third to get the free kick count even.
The free kick on McLean was pure insanity though. Terrible call. I actually popped my head into an after match function for Melbourne and McLean said on stage that the 50 was given because he said "You idiot" to the umpire.
The free kick on McLean was pure insanity though. Terrible call. I actually popped my head into an after match function for Melbourne and McLean said on stage that the 50 was given because he said "You idiot" to the umpire.
off feild maybe.... not on ground today though
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If that is so VC, then the 50 was deserved. It might not be swearing but it is still abuse of an umpire and the players should know better.
I reckon a bit of discretion could take place, especially since the initial free kick was so trivial. There was three goals in the game, Collingwood were surging and it was around the 18 minute mark - that play didn't deserve a free goal for Collingwood, particularly in the complex of the game.
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It doesn't matter where it happened in the game VC - abuse is abuse and the players know they are not allowed to question a decision anymore, at any stage of the game.
Look, I completely disagree with the captains not being allowed to approach the umpires, but the rules have been put in place for quite awhile, it's not a new rule.
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Any team that travels twice outside of Victoria is certainly very well protected.
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I think it's fair to say that we copped the rough end of the stick yesterday, though both sides won some bemusing decisions.
50m against McLean was awful.
No free against Robbo for the shove (not just a push) on Toovey in the fourth...maddening.
50m against McLean was awful.
No free against Robbo for the shove (not just a push) on Toovey in the fourth...maddening.
I can cop dodgy decisions at any stage of the game apart from near the end in a close game. That's when you need a human side to umpiring the most.
While I don't umpire footy I am an experienced referee in another sport where I have reffed at National level and I strongly believe an official needs to swallow his pride every now and then to take some abuse (and let's face it, "you idiot" is very mild). The free kick was contentious - by the strict interpretation of the rules it was there, but if you're talking about the strict interpretation of the rule then the player has to be cut some slack somewhere.
Rubbing salt into the wounds of an already baffling free kick with a 50m penalty and a certain goal was the wrong way to go about it if that's all that was said. Umpires shouldn't be abused by players, but at the same time by calling the 50m penalty the umpire is making it about him because he was the one abused.
If everything becomes by the book then it limits character in the game and I reckon umpires should use their discretion to cop a bit of a spray because the game isn't about umpires. Sure, there is a line that needs to be drawn and if Brock McLean actually said something more sinister then the 50 could be fair enough. But that 50 was personal and in the heat of the game, who does that make the call about? The umpire.
EDIT: It's funny how I started out in this thread saying the Pies had it much worse yesterday, but I end up on a decision that went their way!
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VC - there shouldn't be dodgy decisions at any time of the game, you and I agree on that. But abuse is abuse and is not on, McLean could have asked why at the time instead of just plainly abusing the ump instead. That way the club would have something to bring up with the umpiring department. Instead all Melbourne had was a goal against them at a very significant time in the match. Players should use their brains to win the game not argue over one decision. Leave that to the crowd to get emotional and involved
I have umpired footy and used to cop a bit as I was obviously a female, that was at the level I could dish a little bit back although if the coaches found out I would have been in big trouble.
But there is a zero tolerance policy in the afl towards abuse as you only have to go to the lower local levels to see what is happening there and why they are trying to do something at the higher level. They should also appoint an umpire to the rules committee and put in place a person who has umpired as head of the umpiring department. They are my main bug bears.
I have umpired footy and used to cop a bit as I was obviously a female, that was at the level I could dish a little bit back although if the coaches found out I would have been in big trouble.
But there is a zero tolerance policy in the afl towards abuse as you only have to go to the lower local levels to see what is happening there and why they are trying to do something at the higher level. They should also appoint an umpire to the rules committee and put in place a person who has umpired as head of the umpiring department. They are my main bug bears.
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Both were over the top, BUT deserved under the rules.
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I would have thought calling an umpire an "idiot" is probably one of the nicer things a player could call them! In fact... the umpire should have been flattered!
In fact... the umpire should have been flattered!
Thats the best post so far.
I havent seen it - But by the sounds of it, the Freekick was warranted - not returning the ball to an official but throwing it aggresively desrves it.
As for the 50, its nigh impossible to actually know what was said (Selwood is a good example) and no-one can make a judgement.
Melbourne seemed to get a ride against them really, the 50 metres was edging up towards 70 metres and that was after taking the ball from cloke for a soft hands in the back rule.
Sure Rocca played like a complete moron getting 7 free kicks that were blatant but really 3 from a clear punch in the head to weak chopping and holding decisions that tend to get paid went missing his way and that would basically of been game collingwood as he didn't venture far from the square all day but to get a handpass a kick and 7 turnovers was very influential the big rock.
Sure Rocca played like a complete moron getting 7 free kicks that were blatant but really 3 from a clear punch in the head to weak chopping and holding decisions that tend to get paid went missing his way and that would basically of been game collingwood as he didn't venture far from the square all day but to get a handpass a kick and 7 turnovers was very influential the big rock.
VC - there shouldn't be dodgy decisions at any time of the game, you and I agree on that. But abuse is abuse and is not on, McLean could have asked why at the time instead of just plainly abusing the ump instead. That way the club would have something to bring up with the umpiring department. Instead all Melbourne had was a goal against them at a very significant time in the match. Players should use their brains to win the game not argue over one decision. Leave that to the crowd to get emotional and involved
I have umpired footy and used to cop a bit as I was obviously a female, that was at the level I could dish a little bit back although if the coaches found out I would have been in big trouble.
But there is a zero tolerance policy in the afl towards abuse as you only have to go to the lower local levels to see what is happening there and why they are trying to do something at the higher level. They should also appoint an umpire to the rules committee and put in place a person who has umpired as head of the umpiring department. They are my main bug bears.
Nikki, I didn't realise you were moderating the game as well as this board.
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Thank goodness Nikki wasn't umpiring whilst I was playing. It would have been a short season for me.
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swanfan
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Thats the best post so far.
Thankyou Seanason. Glad someone noted what I meant.
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So thats why Collingwood has more frees against than for. Must be protected from leather rash.
So which two cities are now a part of Victoria. Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane or Sydney.
swanfan
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So which two cities are now a part of Victoria. Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane or Sydney.
Oh excuse me, sorry three times. I forgot one. Darn it.
And the hilarity of it was some clown chimed in with "that's the best post so far".
Four times this season. Four times most seasons, I think. Their game in Sydney is Telstra Stadium, not Telstra Dome, which probably leads to some confusion as well.
swanfan
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Yes I was wrong twice VC. It is four. Not bad, travelling 4 times out of 22. I think they are hard done by at Magpie land.