Are they getting the message?

[wart101]

How long should a club hold on to a coach without success...or even finals?
5 years...10 years...2 years?

2014 is a different landscape coaching wise than it was in the 80s and 90 s
We held on to Plough for too long ( in hindsight)...just in case
Imagine the Dees not sacking Neeld
Or Port not sacking who ever it was beforeHinckley

We all agree that 2014 for us has been a disaster...something will have to give eventually if this continues because the club can't sustain poor performances long term.

Port held on to primus for around three years with no real improvement, it's a good question though, it's my belief that it needs to be long enough that the current coach has had enough time to turn things around and show improvement, we are not even close to that right now, obviously dragging it out to long can be detrimental to the club, i trust the current administration to make the right choice.

 

[Jimmy6019]

I don't understand what people expect the club to come out and say, publicly slate the performance of those still on the payroll. They have commented how unacceptable the result is and that no stone will be left unturned and of course things will happen behind the scenes which is the measured approach. Seems This isn't enough for most , blood must be spilt

Exactly.... give the club a break! Right now as we speak, our CEO is in Brazil turning over stones looking for answers. I mean what more could they possibly do FFS??

 

[wart101]

You stopped watching footy??? But still log in? Right !!!!

did i say i don't love the richmond football club? bigfooty is a place where i can share my frustration with people that think similar and with people that don't i.e you nut.

 

[Bojangles17]

Exactly.... give the club a break! Right now as we speak, our CEO is over in Brazil turning over stones looking for answers. I mean what more could they possibly do??

Learn a little about team discipline, leadership and tactics ...sound so bizarre

 

[Juke]

A priority pick u reckon, well, coming bottom 6 will assure of us of a handy draw next year

Our draw this year wasn't handy enough lol

I'm talking paying for a big name coach (if it comes to that, which it probably won't).

 

[Neen]

How long should a club hold on to a coach without success...or even finals?
5 years...10 years...2 years?

2014 is a different landscape coaching wise than it was in the 80s and 90 s
We held on to Plough for too long ( in hindsight)...just in case
Imagine the Dees not sacking Neeld
Or Port not sacking who ever it was beforeHinckley

We all agree that 2014 for us has been a disaster...something will have to give eventually if this continues because the club can't sustain poor performances long term.

Primus and Neeld inherited basket cases. Richmond was left in a very bad way post Wallace for a number of reasons. What Dimma has done is rebuilt the list almost from scratch, during a time of unprecedented compromised drafts. We would have had 3-4 top 8 picks at the draft. To get us to play finals under these conditions cannot be dismissed because of this years capitulation. I don't think the solution to our problem is to sack Dimma. I don't think for a minute anyone at Richmond thought we would win the premiership in 5 years (starting at Dimma's first year).

Think of it this way. Sack Dimma on Monday. Who takes over ? Who would step up to the plate ? It would be another interim coach until we find someone willing to take over ? Wait for Bomber Thomson ? Five years of rebuilding the list to fit Dimma's plans swept under the table and we start the new 5 year plan.

I've been critical of Dimma as well, but sacking the coach is the "Richmond of old". Give him until the end of his contract, but in the meantime, I'd like to see some positivity around the club and an effort to HELP Dimma by providing replacements for Leppa and Campbell. This is where the club can be proactive - Get Cameron Ling down to Punt Rd. Work out what Chocco's role is and if there's an issue, sort it out and get him back on the boundary.

Instead of talking about the war chest - land the big fish. Get ruthless at the trade table and get some quality kids. Get the current list fitter and faster. Make some hard decisions with the older players, and players that have not developed.

 

[wart101]

Primus and Neeld inherited basket cases. Richmond was left in a very bad way post Wallace for a number of reasons. What Dimma has done is rebuilt the list almost from scratch, during a time of unprecedented compromised drafts. We would have had 3-4 top 8 picks at the draft. To get us to play finals under these conditions cannot be dismissed because of this years capitulation. I don't think the solution to our problem is to sack Dimma. I don't think for a minute anyone at Richmond thought we would win the premiership in 5 years (starting at Dimma's first year).

Think of it this way. Sack Dimma on Monday. Who takes over ? Who would step up to the plate ? It would be another interim coach until we find someone willing to take over ? Wait for Bomber Thomson ? Five years of rebuilding the list to fit Dimma's plans swept under the table and we start the new 5 year plan.

I've been critical of Dimma as well, but sacking the coach is the "Richmond of old". Give him until the end of his contract, but in the meantime, I'd like to see some positivity around the club and an effort to HELP Dimma by providing replacements for Leppa and Campbell. This is where the club can be proactive - Get Cameron Ling down to Punt Rd. Work out what Chocco's role is and if there's an issue, sort it out and get him back on the boundary.

Instead of talking about the war chest - land the big fish. Get ruthless at the trade table and get some quality kids. Get the current list fitter and faster. Make some hard decisions with the older players, and players that have not developed.

I like this.

 

[Jimmy6019]

Learn a little about team discipline, leadership and tactics ...sound so bizarre

Right...

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

I'd say yes they are getting the message. I would also say that they are working diligently behind the scenes to right the wrongs of this season.
I'm happy for them to do so without letting me know personally, we are a professionally run club these days, so I am confident that the correct decisions will be made, for the long term not the short term.
This does not mean I am happy to be 3-9, nor does it mean that "I accept mediocrity (whatever that means)"

So when you watched Hampsons shot on goal on Saturday , where you confident the correct decisions where being made ? When you knew he was being named 30 minutes before everyone and you were basically teasing people about what their reactions would be , were you still confident that the correct decisions were being made ? When we traded our second rounder for him were you confident that the correct decision was being made?

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Primus and Neeld inherited basket cases. Richmond was left in a very bad way post Wallace for a number of reasons. What Dimma has done is rebuilt the list almost from scratch, during a time of unprecedented compromised drafts. We would have had 3-4 top 8 picks at the draft. To get us to play finals under these conditions cannot be dismissed because of this years capitulation. I don't think the solution to our problem is to sack Dimma. I don't think for a minute anyone at Richmond thought we would win the premiership in 5 years (starting at Dimma's first year).

Think of it this way. Sack Dimma on Monday. Who takes over ? Who would step up to the plate ? It would be another interim coach until we find someone willing to take over ? Wait for Bomber Thomson ? Five years of rebuilding the list to fit Dimma's plans swept under the table and we start the new 5 year plan.

I've been critical of Dimma as well, but sacking the coach is the "Richmond of old". Give him until the end of his contract, but in the meantime, I'd like to see some positivity around the club and an effort to HELP Dimma by providing replacements for Leppa and Campbell. This is where the club can be proactive - Get Cameron Ling down to Punt Rd. Work out what Chocco's role is and if there's an issue, sort it out and get him back on the boundary.

Instead of talking about the war chest - land the big fish. Get ruthless at the trade table and get some quality kids. Get the current list fitter and faster. Make some hard decisions with the older players, and players that have not developed.

I haven't read one post on hear wanting Dimma sacked on Monday but to be shown the door at the seasons end.
He's a nice bloke and not up to it but to move on him on Monday would be so silly because he's gonna deliver us awesome draft picks at years end and then we can replace him. After Friday night there will be huge pressure on him but he should be able to see the year out so we can get better draft picks and we can thank him properly for his efforts he has put into the club which were great up until half time in last years final . He can't coach he's proved that and will continue to do so , to let him see out his contract after what he's done this year would be lunacy . He's driving the club into the dirt. I know roughly 50 Richmond supporters that have simply stopped going to games and given up on the club , some won't even buy memberships next year and next to no merchandise . It's sad but true and sucks cause Dimma is a good bloke but we don't need a good bloke we need a coach , the best in the business.

 

[wart101]

who? can someone please tell me who? Dimma is ten times the coach of Neeld and Primus.

 

[harimal12]

When Dimma was appointed,I dont think there was much available.People that could have helped over the years,turned their backs.So now who would coach us that have the Richmond Football Club as the main focus.
Someone who can bring some pride back to the club.I have seen a lot of coaches come and go.
Dimma is a nice guy who needs more help. to see the look on his face game day in the box reminds me of a movie I once watched a driver going down a hill in a bus when the brakes gave out.
We have no pride left nothing to hang on too

 

[This Is Anfield]

So when you watched Hampsons shot on goal on Saturday , where you confident the correct decisions where being made ? When you knew he was being named 30 minutes before everyone and you were basically teasing people about what their reactions would be , were you still confident that the correct decisions were being made ? When we traded our second rounder for him were you confident that the correct decision was being made?

No I wasn't confident at all, that's never been the point, but I could understand and respect the rationale behind it, urgent need of a second ruckman who could step straight in and do a job without costing $400k plus a season.
When I watched Hampson's shot on Saturday I was praying for him to slot it, prayers not answered is an understatement, and his marking and kicking has not been up to scratch, that's been well acknowledged.
However, on Saturday when Hampson was in the ruck he did well against Sandilands, he jumped well, used his body well and gave our mids an even chance, but you wouldn't acknowledge that.
Yet again, this club is not defined by the recruitment of Shaun Hampson, we are not 3-9 because we recruited Shaun Hampson, Shaun Hampson has been average at best but has performed well in some games, so despite your obsession with Shaun Hampson he is not the source of all the ill's at Punt Road this season.
On my original point, before you made it all about Shaun Hampson, again, is that I'm confident that the club is working diligently behind the scenes and the long term future of the club is in good hands.
And oh yeah, they won't get every decision correct, no organisation of this size, and with the restraints imposed upon them, ever will.

 

[nut]

give 110% they said,,,,,,


http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-24/richmond-needs-you-to-give-110

 

[Truetiger]

Does anyone else think that the AFL will stop taking Richmond supporters for granted and help us out a bit a la Melbourne? I hate how they can be rewarded for their failures and their cheating, yet we keep toiling away.

Please "equalise" us, Gillon!

I believe i can explain. Some stage ago the Richmond people said we dont need "AFL" help we can do it ourselves. lol

 

[Tiger_man322]

What about the Lions and St Kilda???


I think at the moment we are flying, sure we are not in a rocket ship atm but clearly we are up in the air looking around with a touch of excitement for the future!!

I guess we could be the bombers!!

BTW, not sure it is about RFC. I think many in many clubs have had a gutful of how the competition is being run!! I think you will find, apart from SA, crowds down everywhere!

Imagine what the crowd would have been if this year had been running to plan. Richmond in contention for finals, wins against B.Dogs, Melbourne and possibly Gold Coast. Challenging the top 4 teams without being torn apart. Same with middle of the range teams we should be fighting for a finals spot with.
Instead, we are equal last when the Club promised so much. Songs on Itunes. Declaring that finals would be a pass mark and then when that clealry failed, happily back up the coach to turn us around, meanwhile clubs such as Bulldogs, Melbourne are ahead of us on the ladder and Penny and Brendon have ****ed off to Brazil.

Crowd would have been similar to last year if Richmond could actually back up their words for once.

 

[Ralll]

I'm a hundred % sure if we didn't play Hampson for the entire year even when Maric was injured we'd have 3 more wins. I'm a hundred % sure if we didn't play a 3 tall forward line clubs couldn't attack us from the back half as easily as they have been able to do this year. 100% sure? I dont agree, we played 3 talls last year and won 15 games, the difference was we were kicking to the hotspot more and locking the ball in instead of hitting up leads like this season where the ball gets out easier.

I'm a hundred % sure if the coach had only waited until we had the season started well and the boys playing as a team before implementing a new game plan we'd be in the top 8 I dont think we changed the gameplan, with injuries and complacency we simply started poorly then lost confidence. Remember last season that game (Ess?) where the crowd were booing the players for short kicking constantly? This was in our gameplan all last season. The only thing that has changed this season is our forward line structure imo.

I'm a hundred % sure that Chris Newman is not a forward , Dustin Martin is not a back man, Madonna is a prime candidate to play up forward and be damaging instead of being the shortest half back to play the game since Jake King. I agree here and this is what a review might find and fix.

What's the use of announcing a review to be done at the end of the year , do it now and start searching for a coach that can take this group forward , the coaching staff have been more out of form than the players this year and have butchered it. Time to move now as Hardwick can not be trusted with the list over the trade and Draft period There is alot more to a football department than coaches, the problem might just be the players attitudes, or the football general manager, or the list management, or the coaching and performance manager or player development, or more likely a little of each. If these areas have a strong plan for our future it wouldnt matter who was coaching because the coach dosnt have the power to screw our future up and overrule the list management. He simply coaches the current players which the football department have given him. This sack the coach attitude has gotten us nowhere for 30 years, there alot more to sustained onfield success than the coaches[/QUOTE]

 

[rfctigerarmy]

It was extremely quiet at the match. Often you could hear the players, and I was on level 2A. It's not usually like that.

I sat more towards the city end than the Punt Road end, but the Freo supporters often made more noise..

 

[camsmith]

10 minutes before the game the members was not even 1/4 full. There were complete rows that were empty. I assumed most were either at the bar, or forgotten that it was an early start. There were latecomers, but the general feeling was "why do we put ourselves through this ? ".

Some were watching footy at Punt Road, it only finished 5-10 mins before the seniors started.

It was really strange though, I've been to some North Melbourne games at the G and this felt very similar. No atmosphere, no real passion in the ground. At those North vs Melbourne (or similar) games I always thought how terrible it would be to go to games with that kind of atmosphere.. looks like for this year at least, im going to have to get used to it.

 

[Madtiger2006]

I just want 8-10 delistings. There are always 2 or 3 players in the team from this group who just aren't good enough in enough departments. Get rid of them so we won't have this problem on game day.

 

[This Is Anfield]

For no real reason.

 

[SdKfz 181]

your posts continue to inspire!

Glad, I can help!

 

[tigerimij]

Primus and Neeld inherited basket cases. Richmond was left in a very bad way post Wallace for a number of reasons. What Dimma has done is rebuilt the list almost from scratch, during a time of unprecedented compromised drafts. We would have had 3-4 top 8 picks at the draft. To get us to play finals under these conditions cannot be dismissed because of this years capitulation. I don't think the solution to our problem is to sack Dimma. I don't think for a minute anyone at Richmond thought we would win the premiership in 5 years (starting at Dimma's first year).

Think of it this way. Sack Dimma on Monday. Who takes over ? Who would step up to the plate ? It would be another interim coach until we find someone willing to take over ? Wait for Bomber Thomson ? Five years of rebuilding the list to fit Dimma's plans swept under the table and we start the new 5 year plan.

I've been critical of Dimma as well, but sacking the coach is the "Richmond of old". Give him until the end of his contract, but in the meantime, I'd like to see some positivity around the club and an effort to HELP Dimma by providing replacements for Leppa and Campbell. This is where the club can be proactive - Get Cameron Ling down to Punt Rd. Work out what Chocco's role is and if there's an issue, sort it out and get him back on the boundary.

Instead of talking about the war chest - land the big fish. Get ruthless at the trade table and get some quality kids. Get the current list fitter and faster. Make some hard decisions with the older players, and players that have not developed.

Great post "Neen", this sort of commonsense is what is required not the "gung hoe" approach

 

[_Wang_]

What message.. Message is I love you all.. #docking

 

[kozi]

I'd say yes they are getting the message. I would also say that they are working diligently behind the scenes to right the wrongs of this season.
I'm happy for them to do so without letting me know personally, we are a professionally run club these days, so I am confident that the correct decisions will be made, for the long term not the short term.

Absolutely dreaming.