Are we more hated than Collingwood?

[sosos]

It's as clear as mud, a bit like an urban legend, a myth, a opinion that is missing 1 small component called factual evidence.
If it's good enough for the AFL commision, Ken Wood to clear Collingwood of any wrong doing, then it's good enough for me. Our books have been investigated & there has been no wrong doing.

Hilarious. So you're backing the umpires decision are you? Can you tell me your opinion on the Wayne Harmes incident in a certain famous grand final?

Again, we get back to your myth, or urban legend that there were underhanded payments. Again missing 1 factor, no factual evidence.
No, I hold Essendon & Melbourne in the same contempt as Carlton. Other clubs who have been fined by the AFL for breaking the salary cap, in other words, cheating.

Point taken. I hold clubs who can't accept an umpires decision in contempt. Who can't accept TOC selections. Who can't accept that any other club is allowed the smallest sniff of assistance. I hold in contempt clubs who are serial whingers, who consider themselves bigger than and above the competition.

I also do not accept that an administration that was utterly racist, that harboured individuals of Millane's character, that had Brad Rowe as a board member was utterly clean when it came to salary cap matters. Call me cynical, call me a conspiracist....it just doesn't ring true.

In 02 Carlton were rightly penalized for systematic rorting of the cap in the period from 1994 to 2001. They rorted the cap to an extent that transcended other clubs who also cheated the cap.

No doubt Carlton deserved a penalty.
That is not the argument.

Even your own club has admitted it's brand was severely tarnished by the cheating episode. The have the same respect in AFL circles as Floyd Landis has in the cycling set & Ben Johnson in the athletic community. None...

There you go with your hyperbole again.

Doesn't really concern me what players do off the field, their concerns. Largely irrelevant figures having a storied life off the field, i.e. John Nichols, a Carlton club legend who did time behind bars for robbery of a bank or Wayne Johnston's cocaine addiction, are Carlton to blame? I don't know, individuals make choices, just like clubs do.

Cheating on the field is a different matter.

I like how clear your moral boundaries are Lupton.

Completely pointless and arbitrary but at least you have some is how I suppose you justify yourself.
For the record. I despise the salray cap cheating. I deplore the Dick Pratt saga. Karl Norman and Fevola are party boys. Brad Rowe was scum.

I also despise chest beating baltherers saying we have no respect. To your mono directional compass maybe, but most of the football world have moved on from the 90s. And probably don't really want the entire thing revisited as their history is bound to be foggy.
Yes I don't have proof. But neither did OJ Simpson's criminal trial.

 

[Alpha1]

To be hated is good, to be loved is better.

 

[Thrawn]

People in the general public now disrespect us though.

Who? People who have always hated us anyway? Is there really much of a difference? The average football follower who doesn't post on message boards and doesn't follow the game as deeply as us wouldn't really give a shit - all they are interested in is their own team's fortunes. The majority of football supporters follow their team once a week - when they are playing, and that's it. Call it "part time" support if you will.

Other AFL supporters, outside of BF, now think of Carlton and think of cheaters

But do they think of "tanking", poaching players, current salary cap, etc? Not sure, but I'd doubt it. They would just see us as any of the other teams to beat. Hell, I'd say a lot of AFL supporters don't listen to footy talk back (with the exception of pre and post match stuff), because the average supporter isn't really into the sport to that extent. Why? Because to a lot of people, football isn't really that important to them. Speaking of which, we should never lose perspective.

 

[Lupton Warchild Pittman]

Hilarious. So you're backing the umpires decision are you? Can you tell me your opinion on the Wayne Harmes incident in a certain famous grand final?

Way before my time. If it's good enough for the umpire, it's good enough for me.

The Harmes incident is part of folklore. The media have played on the lineball decision for years, just like they have showed Jezza's mark, Teddy Whitten's lap, etc. It's probably bought up more by Carlton supporters than Collingwood ones, a friendly jibe systematic of a storied rivarly.

I hold clubs who can't accept an umpires decision in contempt. Who can't accept TOC selections. Who can't accept that any other club is allowed the smallest sniff of assistance. I hold in contempt clubs who are serial whingers, who consider themselves bigger than and above the competition.

Again, your decision.

If you ask any joe blow, any expert, any AFL commisoner which deserves more contempt and disrespect, universally cheating is looked down on more than those variables.

Perhaps you should ask Greg Swann about a club not accepting others are allowed assistance, he was the key figure pushing for the destruction of the salary cap allowance...

that had Brad Rowe as a board member was utterly clean when it came to salary cap matters. Call me cynical, call me a conspiracist....it just doesn't ring true.

Brad Rowe was a small half forward flanker who came from Brisbane who never sat on the Collingwood board. Time to do some research before you fly off the handle..

but most of the football world have moved on from the 90s. And probably don't really want the entire thing revisited as their history is bound to be .

Sadly the cheating episode was part of this decade too, it is still fresh & in the football public eyes, it defines where Carlton sit as a club. I'm sure Floyd Landis had a great pro cycling career bar his doping in the TDF, ditto for Ben Johnson in sprinting & the 88 Olympics, to this day the cheating episode defines their career. It will take a generation for neutrals to even consider Carlton that is clean.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Notice Collingwood posters never respond to the tanking accusation in 2005 that forced the AFL to change the rule (as I like to called it - 'The Collingwood Rule').

 

[parrot]

Notice Collingwood posters never respond to the tanking accusation in 2005 that forced the AFL to change the rule (as I like to called it - 'The Collingwood Rule').

Yep, exactly. That was another nice example of Collingwood cheating the system.

 

[Lupton Warchild Pittman]

Notice Collingwood posters never respond to the tanking accusation in 2005

Didak (missed 11 games to a PCL tear)
Buckley (missed 11 games for a hamstring tear off the bone)
Tarrant (missed 6 games due to hip surgery)
Rocca (missed 18 games due to a broken ankle)
Fraser (missed 17 games due to a PCL tear)

Take your 5 best players out of any squad & you'll struggle to win games.

 

[parrot]

...
Take your 5 best players out of any squad & you'll struggle to win games.

We still all remember the Pies blatant tanking and cheating of the draft system back then. Yep, cheats. Good luck trying to re-write history. lol. The Pies are a cheating, unsuccessful, excuse ridden, unethical, pathetic mess of an organization, that we all have a good laugh at. Their player-spitting supporters we saw this year, pretty much sum up what the Collingwood football club is all about. Low-life.

 

[Blues_Man]

It has gone past the state of irreversable.

Like we would clamour for respect from gutter dwellers like you and other filth supporters .

 

[sosos]

Brad Rowe was a small half forward flanker who came from Brisbane who never sat on the Collingwood board. Time to do some research before you fly off the handle..

My bad, I meant Brad Cooper.

Sadly the cheating episode was part of this decade too, it is still fresh & in the football public eyes, it defines where Carlton sit as a club. It will take a generation for neutrals to even consider Carlton that is clean

For this decade, Carlton are defined by their poor onfield performance. That's it. Blow it up any way you want, but it's water off a duck's back now. Of course, if we still had Elliot as president, you may have some credibility, but Carlton are way past that era.

 

[Dramoth]

It's as clear as mud, a bit like an urban legend, a myth, a opinion that is missing 1 small component called factual evidence.



If it's good enough for the AFL commision, Ken Wood to clear Collingwood of any wrong doing, then it's good enough for me. Our books have been investigated & there has been no wrong doing found.

Again, we get back to your myth, or urban legend that there were underhanded payments. Again missing 1 factor, no factual evidence.




No, I hold Essendon & Melbourne in the same contempt as Carlton. Other clubs who have been fined by the AFL for breaking the salary cap, in other words, cheating.

In 02 Carlton were rightly penalized for systematic rorting of the cap in the period from 1994 to 2001. They rorted the cap to an extent that transcended other clubs who also cheated the cap.




Even your own club has admitted it's brand was severely tarnished by the cheating episode. Carlton have the same respect in AFL circles as Floyd Landis has in the cycling set & Ben Johnson in the athletic community. None...




In what regards? We have a clean record with the salary cap, other matters such as offield, No. I was disgusted by the actions of Didak, just like you would have been with Karl Norman & Fevola on numerous ocassions.





Doesn't really concern me what players do off the field, their concerns. Largely irrelevant figures having a storied life off the field, i.e. John Nichols, a Carlton club legend who did time behind bars for robbery of a bank, were Carlton to blame? I don't know.

Cheating on the field is a different matter, if you can't recognize the unethical & unsporting nature of it then I'm responding to a brick wall.

you constantly talking to yourself then?

And I would be interested in seeing the bit about Nichols doing time... can you provide a source for it?

Blueseum... do you know anything about this?

 

[Bluebear]

Sadly the cheating episode was part of this decade too, it is still fresh & in the football public eyes, it defines where Carlton sit as a club. I'm sure Floyd Landis had a great pro cycling career bar his doping in the TDF, ditto for Ben Johnson in sprinting & the 88 Olympics, to this day the cheating episode defines their career. It will take a generation for neutrals to even consider Carlton that is clean.

As was HIH.

Does that define where Collingwood sit as a club?

Good bless the Magpies.........taking the food off the tables of pensioners and retirees for the sake of their hot-cold baths........or mayb ejust a redurbishment for Eddie's office.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/stories/s610804.htm

The Collingwood football club is in the hotseat again, over a sponsorship deal with the failed insurer, HIH.

The club took a $250,000 dollars in cash, just three months before the company failed.

At that time, policyholders were not being paid for claims.

Yesterday, Collingwood's president, Eddie McGuire, said the negotiations for the sponsorship had been underway for some time, and he produced a letter to back up his claim.

But today, in the witness box, HIH's general manager of finance said that letter was a fabrication.

 

[mediumsizered]

Didak (missed 11 games to a PCL tear)
Buckley (missed 11 games for a hamstring tear off the bone)
Tarrant (missed 6 games due to hip surgery)
Rocca (missed 18 games due to a broken ankle)
Fraser (missed 17 games due to a PCL tear)

Take your 5 best players out of any squad & you'll struggle to win games.

Buckley is now retired. Tarrant is now at Freo. Didak was suspended after the 'ute episode'. Rocca played a handful of games early in the season. Yet Collingwood made the finals (in fact were a chance at Top 4) with a much younger & probably less talented team than 2005. Food for thought.

 

[Lupton Warchild Pittman]

Tarrant is now at Freo

& We received Medhurst, an AA forward in return, who had his best year in 08' & output was far in excess of any forward we had in 05.

Didak was suspended after the 'ute episode

Still played 18 games & his season to date was AA quality. In 05 Didak missed half the season & played no where near how he did in 08.

Rocca played a handful of games early in the season.

Didn't have a Cloke to shoulder his output in 08 when he was missing in action.

Yet Collingwood made the finals (in fact were a chance at Top 4) with a much younger & probably less talented team than 2005. Food for thought.

Far more even spread of talent in 08 than 05, you take that type of talent out & you will struggle to win games.

 

[Dramoth]

Collingwood hall of shame...

Eddie McGuire... the man who got boned from the tv station he was the CEO of....
Didak... 2 instances now of lying to the club about what he was doing... still there.
Darren Millane... good footballer, got pissed up and almost decapitated himself running into the back of a semi parked at the lights at Albert Park Rd
The Shaw Brothers (all of them) they have all at some point in their careers done something wrong which has brought the club into disrepute...
Lou Richards... If he could get away with king-hitting his opponent during the game he would... and if he got caught, 'Who me?? he hit my fist with his jaw ump'

Collingwood... another name for filth.

 

[phantom 309]

you constantly talking to yourself then?

And I would be interested in seeing the bit about Nichols doing time... can you provide a source for it?

Blueseum... do you know anything about this?

Big Nicks Brother did time for robbery, but lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story ay, bloody wooblwood supporters allways good for a laugh.

 

[Quazza]

essendon supporting mate of mine wrote a Collingwood poem. Some may laugh so worth a post

50 years for one crap flag
ya mums related to your dad,
first cousins, thats what we hear,
ya papi loves it up the rear,
you support the team in black & white,
your sister sleeps with you at night,
you beg for god, "please one more flag",
your dads your mum & your mums your dad

in 1990 we threw it away,
you didnt win, your brothers gay
i feel for you & your crap team
eddie maguire is a fat queen,
your best players brains are fuked
your favourite player, drove into a truck
to win a flag, it would be grouse
it aint gunna happen under malthouse

 

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

essendon supporting mate of mine wrote a Collingwood poem. Some may laugh so worth a post

50 years for one crap flag
ya mums related to your dad,
first cousins, thats what we hear,
ya papi loves it up the rear,
you support the team in black & white,
your sister sleeps with you at night,
you beg for god, "please one more flag",
your dads your mum & your mums your dad

in 1990 we threw it away,
you didnt win, your brothers gay
i feel for you & your crap team
eddie maguire is a fat queen,
your best players brains are fuked
your favourite player, drove into a truck
to win a flag, it would be grouse
it aint gunna happen under malthouse

 

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Who? People who have always hated us anyway? Is there really much of a difference? The average football follower who doesn't post on message boards and doesn't follow the game as deeply as us wouldn't really give a shit - all they are interested in is their own team's fortunes. The majority of football supporters follow their team once a week - when they are playing, and that's it. Call it "part time" support if you will.



But do they think of "tanking", poaching players, current salary cap, etc? Not sure, but I'd doubt it. They would just see us as any of the other teams to beat. Hell, I'd say a lot of AFL supporters don't listen to footy talk back (with the exception of pre and post match stuff), because the average supporter isn't really into the sport to that extent. Why? Because to a lot of people, football isn't really that important to them. Speaking of which, we should never lose perspective.

Difference between them hating and disrespecting us? Yes. I hate Essendon, but I respect them. And the "average supporter who only follows football once a week" I don't really care about. I care about supporters who you can have a good general discussion about footy with (obviously ones outside of BF), who associate Carlton with cheating. A club as great as ours deserves to be respected