Are we ready to replace our veterans?

[PRANKSTER666]

Personally I rate Brown and I can't see him staying past 2013. He would walk into most other teams and being stuck playing WAFL week in, week out barring injuries to Emac or Glass I believe is an injustice to his ability.

Yes that six is a little top heavy, but Schofield is very flexible and Glass can beat most medium forwards 98/100 contests. Not saying that lineup would be appropriate every week, but reckon we could add Brown to our mix against a few teams. He should also get a few home games while we manage Glass through the year.

 

[matt_bas]

How do you think Brown is one dimensional, out of interest?

Fair question, in my opinion he is just a stopper. Not really a replacement for glass who can run of his player.
Having said that I would like to see more of him play to see what 10-15 games in a row does to improve him

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Fair question, in my opinion he is just a stopper. Not really a replacement for glass who can run of his player.

Fair enough. I would disagree with that notion.

 

[matt_bas]

Fair enough. I would disagree with that notion.

Fair enough, that's why I said in my opinion because everyone's is different. I do hope I'm wrong and he turns out to be as goof as glass

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Fair enough, that's why I said in my opinion because everyone's is different. I do hope I'm wrong and he turns out to be as goof as glass

Haha, hopefully he doesn't goof too much.

Even if he turned out as a pure stopper, we've got plenty of rebounding power down there already (Schofield, Hurn, Waters, Smith, Brennan...). Brown and Mackenzie as stoppers would work well with those attacking types.

 

[WCE_phil]

Haha, hopefully he doesn't goof too much.

Even if he turned out as a pure stopper, we've got plenty of rebounding power down there already (Schofield, Hurn, Waters, Smith, Brennan...). Brown and Mackenzie as stoppers would work well with those attacking types.

I honestly don't rate brown as a stopper though. He looks like tarzan and plays like jane. While i would certainly prefer him on the list than not post glass i don't think he is that great. Just hasn't reached his potential imo and also why i really would have liked for a trade to go through particularly with it looking like it would have heavily favoured us.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I honestly don't rate brown as a stopper though. He looks like tarzan and plays like jane. While i would certainly prefer him on the list than not post glass i don't think he is that great. Just hasn't reached his potential imo and also why i really would have liked for a trade to go through particularly with it looking like it would have heavily favoured us.

I don't see how we can judge him properly yet as he's never had an extended run at a KPD spot. He's done some really good one-game jobs, like on Buddy last season; I'd be keen to see if he can keep that level of play up for an extended period in the seniors.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Yes that six is a little top heavy, but Schofield is very flexible and Glass can beat most medium forwards 98/100 contests. Not saying that lineup would be appropriate every week, but reckon we could add Brown to our mix against a few teams. He should also get a few home games while we manage Glass through the year.

I gather that you agree Brown isn't part of our best back six.

Should we shoehorn him in there anyway?

 

[Rob L]

SEN reckons they have on good advise that Kerr`s knee is shot, think any AA players arent easy to replace but Kerr with our mids not yet being dominent may be a problem..

 

[Chris_6678]

SEN reckons they have on good advise that Kerr`s knee is shot, think any AA players arent easy to replace but Kerr with our mids not yet being dominent may be a problem..

Surprised his knee is shot as he has never had a history with knee problems....

 

[the harry]

SEN reckons they have on good advise that Kerr`s knee is shot, think any AA players arent easy to replace but Kerr with our mids not yet being dominent may be a problem..

Would not worry too much.

 

[matt_bas]

I don't see how we can judge him properly yet as he's never had an extended run at a KPD spot. He's done some really good one-game jobs, like on Buddy last season; I'd be keen to see if he can keep that level of play up for an extended period in the seniors.

I think his game on goodes was his best so far.

 

[Forget the Stats]

I voted Kerr as I believe it's the midfield where we lack genuine stars and we seriously need Shuey and someone else to take another step this year. Kerr is a machine in the finals and without him there we will really struggle unless others can improve. I rate Shuey as the only inside mid we have with Kerr's X factor. Gaff is awesome but he's not an inside mid. Having said that Selwood is just slowly evolving into a great player and It will be interesting to see if he can crank it up a cog again this year.

 

[Prem87]

I voted Kerr as I believe it's the midfield where we lack genuine stars and we seriously need Shuey and someone else to take another step this year. Kerr is a machine in the finals and without him there we will really struggle unless others can improve. I rate Shuey as the only inside mid we have with Kerr's X factor. Gaff is awesome but he's not an inside mid. Having said that Selwood is just slowly evolving into a great player and It will be interesting to see if he can crank it up a cog again this year.

Although controversial, I believe Scott Selwood has a higher ceiling than Shuey.

Gaff Masten Shuey and Selwood are the makings of a nice midfield that compliment each other very very well.

All we need is one more gun young mid to add to that group.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

The unfortunate reality is that we might need to push Glass out a year early to make sure we keep Brown.

At the end of the day, Brown for 8yrs with no Glass is better than Glass for one extra and then being screwed without Brown.

The reality is Glass has already stated this is his last year.
He has mapped his retirement out with the club two years ago.

The other one likely to retire this year is Adam Selwood, wouldn't be surprised to see him coaching a wafl club next year.
Maybe Easts Perth coach for 2014.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Surprised his knee is shot as he has never had a history with knee problems....

I can remember Kerr being listed has having knee surgery in about 5 preseasons, mostly clean up operations.

 

[Marlin01]

The reality is Glass has already stated this is his last year.
He has mapped his retirement out with the club two years ago.

That's a pretty big call to casually drop into the convo. Where did you hear it in such concrete terms?

 

[matt_bas]

All we need is one more gun young mid to add to that group.

Shame swift retired 

 

[Obeanie1]

Fair question, in my opinion he is just a stopper. Not really a replacement for glass who can run of his player.
Having said that I would like to see more of him play to see what 10-15 games in a row does to improve him

Actually think it the other way around. Brown is fine running and rebounding but has struggled stopping the best KP forwards. This seems to have improved last season in the handful of games he played, did did a very good job on Franklin with Buddy kicking most his goals when Brown wasn't on him.

Nathan Brown is most definately a stopper without alot of rebound but Mitch has a more balanced game.

Also remember that Glass last year moved to a new role, 3rd tall down back and playing a link man out of defense ala Scarlett style. Sure he came in and helped with a spoil and blocked the space etc but he wasn't playing his previous role shoulder to shoulder with the best FF.

 

[matt_bas]

Actually think it the other way around. Brown is fine running and rebounding but has struggled stopping the best KP forwards. This seems to have improved last season in the handful of games he played, did did a very good job on Franklin with Buddy kicking most his goals when Brown wasn't on him.

Nathan Brown is most definately a stopper without alot of rebound but Mitch has a more balanced game.

Also remember that Glass last year moved to a new role, 3rd tall down back and playing a link man out of defense ala Scarlett style. Sure he came in and helped with a spoil and blocked the space etc but he wasn't playing his previous role shoulder to shoulder with the best FF.

Yea, as I said in another post I didn't get to see much of him as he didn't play much and when he did I couldn't watch it, I hope he plays and plays well this year

 

[Ian Dargie]

Also remember that Glass last year moved to a new role, 3rd tall down back and playing a link man out of defense ala Scarlett style.

Glass is now a third tall? So who's the second tall?

I would also point out that a 'link man' is the guy who gets the ball out of defence and transfers it to attack. Someone like Gaff, Embley or Rosa. They link defence to attack, hence the name. The FB, even if they offer rebound, isn't the link man.

Sure he came in and helped with a spoil and blocked the space etc but he wasn't playing his previous role shoulder to shoulder with the best FF.

So if Glass wasn't playing on the FF, who was? If it was Mackenzie, does that mean Schofield was playing CHB?

This talk of Glass drifting out of a central defensive role has been completely overstated.

You're now saying he's a third tall, which is nonsense. It supposes that, after Mackenzie, Schofield is next in line to take a key forward.

 

[Obeanie1]

Glass is now a third tall? So who's the second tall?

So if Glass wasn't playing on the FF, who was? If it was Mackenzie, does that mean Schofield was playing CHB?

This talk of Glass drifting out of a central defensive role has been completely overstated.

You're now saying he's a third tall, which is nonsense. It supposes that, after Mackenzie, Schofield is next in line to take a key forward.

Not interested in getting into a long winded noncical discussion with you about this Gunner.

Its been well covered that Glass has taken on a mentoring role down back to allow MacKenzie to develop as his successor. Not every opposition has two or three monster tall forwards and the club has allocated MacKenzie on the best bigger KP forward such as Cloke, Buddy etc. Thats not to say Glass doesn't stand them if MacKenzie goes to the bench or is unavailable.

Glass often stands medium forwards and leaves the big forward to MacKenzie. When MacKenzie was out Mitch Brown stood Franklin for most of the game.

It is also a fact that Glass got above his average posessions last season and was used differently, again this was to help fast track his likely replacement in MacKenzie.

Schofield is 196cm slightly taller than Glass but a totally different build. He often takes opposition rucks resting forward as he has the height but will run off them and is more mobile.

MacKenzie and Schofield played more shoulder to shoulder stopping roles where Glass pitched in but mostly played the general and came in to help his deputies with a spoil, helped block the run and cut off passes and took a mark. He also was a loose avenue coming out of defense as opposed to predominately having a dedicted stopping role on the oppositions best KP forward.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Its been well covered that Glass has taken on a mentoring role down back to allow MacKenzie to develop as his successor. Not every opposition has two or three monster tall forwards and the club has allocated MacKenzie on the best bigger KP forward such as Cloke, Buddy etc. Thats not to say Glass doesn't stand them if MacKenzie goes to the bench or is unavailable.

It's true that Mackenzie often takes the best forward. But how does that make Glass a third tall? Surely it makes him the second tall.

Isn't that fairly straightforward?

Schofield is 196cm slightly taller than Glass but a totally different build. He often takes opposition rucks resting forward as he has the height but will run off them and is more mobile.

So that means Glass is basically left to take the second-best full-time tall forward. Again, how does that make him a third tall?

Glass is an elite key defender who plays deep. When did it become taboo to say that Glass plays FB, requiring people to use some other bullshit description? Glass is an elite FB. If anything, Schofield is the third tall.

MacKenzie and Schofield played more shoulder to shoulder stopping roles where Glass pitched in but mostly played the general and came in to help his deputies with a spoil, helped block the run and cut off passes and took a mark.

Played the general and helped his deputies. Pfffttt... what horseshit. Why don't you try thinking in a straight line instead of invoking this Z-grade puffery to paint over the gaping holes in your argument?

Glass is still absolutely a stopper. We're just lucky that he's also fantastic at knowing when to drop off his opponent to be the third man at a different contest. That doesn't mean he's no longer responsible for keeping an opposition forward quiet. It just means he's awesome.

You're talking Schofield up as a stopper more than Glass, but Schofield has an infinitely less accountable role. Above, you say Schofield is employed to run off his opponents but then turn around and say that Schofield played more shoulder-to-shoulder stopping roles than Glass. Which one is it?

He also was a loose avenue coming out of defense as opposed to predominately having a dedicated stopping role on the oppositions best KP forward.

We agree that Mackenzie often takes the best forward. I don't see how that automatically means Glass is no longer used as a stopper. It means Glass takes the second key forward and shuts them down, while also having enough strings to his bow to be able to organise the defence, drop off when required and offer rebound. Again, that doesn't make him a third tall. For that to be true, someone else would be playing FB, which they aren't.

If providing rebound - or being "a loose avenue" - is proof that a defender isn't required to be accountable for an opponent, then where does that leave Schofield?

When the other team has the ball, Glass has an opponent to nullify. When we get the ball, he provides rebound. They're not mutually exclusive. Even then, Glass's rebound gets overstated - it's still far less than Scarlett was providing for Geelong. That's because Scarlett was released by having two genuine key defenders in Lonergan and Taylor - he was able to play as a third tall. But we don't have that, so Glass remains a stopper and a bona fide FB, rather than a third tall.

As usual, your arguments seem calibrated to sound authoritative to people who don't pay attention while appearing instantly suspect to anyone who does.

 

[placebo]

Yeah, Glass definitely isn't a sole 'third tall'.

Takes the 2nd best forward regularly, ala Roughhead. There have been times when he's taken some medium forwards and third forwards, usually for match up reasons, but Glass still plays on quality, regularly.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Yeah, Glass definitely isn't a sole 'third tall'.

Or any kind of third tall.