Are we ready to replace our veterans?

[Obeanie1]

Played the general and helped his deputies. Pfffttt... what horseshit. Why don't you try thinking in a straight line instead of invoking this Z-grade puffery to paint over the gaping holes in your argument?

As usual, your arguments seem calibrated to sound authoritative to people who don't pay attention while appearing instantly suspect to anyone who does.

AS usual your you like to narrow the argument to a minor point and then throw in lines like the above to prove again how much of a tosser you are Gunner.

My point is Glass's role has changed in order to groom MacKenzie and so he no longer plays as our dedicated #1 stopper, last year he certainly played less shoulder to shoulder on the #1 opposition KP forward. Often he was standing on the oppositions 3rd best forward such as a medium or small forward and let MacKenzie and Schofield take the talls, Schofield up the ground and MacKenzie closer to goal.

Sure Glass is still our best KP backman but last year he played a significantly different role than say in 2006 when he was our main option against Barry Hall types. This thread is about how we are placed in life after our veterans and my posts highlighted how Glass has moved aside as the dedicated full time #1 stopper to allow MacKenzie and a lessor extent Schofield to develop, Glass did play the #3 KP backman role by taking the #3 opposition forward much, much more last year than any other stage of his career.

If we are taking about who is our best then Glass is still #1, if we are talking about roles down back and who takes the oppositions #1 forward then Glass and the club has allowed MacKenzie to take on that role. Sure Glass is still accountable for his man its silly to say otherwise but last year he played a lot more of an attacking and rebounding role and his stats backed that up.

You posted that you thought the change in Glass's role was overstated, I disagree, I think the club has had a clear succession plan with MacKenzie and in order to develop him as our #1 stopper. The club have exposed MacKenzie to taking the oppositions best KP forward for 90% of the game and played Glass in the similar role Geelong played Scarlett, the backline general who played on the oppositions #3 forward so he could zone off more and use his experience.

You are beating your chest on who's our best where I am discussing what roles are being played by who and that Glass's role has changed in order to develop Glass's replacement post retirement.

 

[Jarlcorbz]

Kerr for me, because who needs defense when forward press?

 

[Ian Dargie]

AS usual your you like to narrow the argument to a minor point and then throw in lines like the above to prove again how much of a tosser you are Gunner.

Minor points?

I'm responding to your argument, if you can call it that. The issue is whether Glass now plays as a third tall. He doesn't. That's not a minor point. It's the whole point.

And your overblown yet still vapid description of Glass's role, more suited to a Tafe creative writing course, absolutely deserved ridicule. The solution from your point-of-view should be to avoid serving up that kind of lukewarm shit ever again.

My point is Glass's role has changed in order to groom MacKenzie and so he no longer plays as our dedicated #1 stopper, last year he certainly played less shoulder to shoulder on the #1 opposition KP forward. Often he was standing on the oppositions 3rd best forward such as a medium or small forward and let MacKenzie and Schofield take the talls, Schofield up the ground and MacKenzie closer to goal.

Yes, Mackenzie often takes the best opposition forward. That doesn't mean Glass is now the third tall, as you bizarrely stated in our earlier post. Mackenzie may be the #1 stopper but Schofield isn't #2.

Glass remains a genuine FB and is far more likely to take a dangerous tall than Schofield, who plays a far less accountable role.

Last season, Schofield still rebounded from D50 more than Glass – if you included rebound off HB, that would skew even more in Schofield's favour. Schofield also kicked more, had more I50s, fewer contested possessions, more uncontested possessions and fewer tackles. And he also kicked a few goals, which suggests he wasn't standing "shoulder-to-shoulder" with an opposition forward at the other end of the ground. He was also fourth at the club for running bounces, much higher than Glass. So, as I said, Schofield is less accountable and more attacking than Glass. That is reflected by those stats.

Glass takes the second key forward overwhelmingly more often than Schofield. So to suggest Glass is now the third tall, behind Mackenzie and Schofield, is absurd.

Also, in your previous post, you claimed Schofield played on resting rucks. But now, you've got him playing "up the ground". Where? I thought he played on the resting ruckman, which would involve setting up closer to goal. It doesn't sound like you're very clear on Schofield's role.

Sure Glass is still our best KP backman but last year he played a significantly different role than say in 2006 when he was our main option against Barry Hall types. This thread is about how we are placed in life after our veterans and my posts highlighted how Glass has moved aside as the dedicated full time #1 stopper to allow MacKenzie and a lessor extent Schofield to develop, Glass did play the #3 KP backman role by taking the #3 opposition forward much, much more last year than any other stage of his career.

Give me an example of Mackenzie and Schofield taking the two key forwards with Glass playing on the third guy. If it happened so regularly, that should be no problem for you.

You posted that you thought the change in Glass's role was overstated, I disagree, I think the club has had a clear succession plan with MacKenzie and in order to develop him as our #1 stopper.

Can you stop mindlessly repeating this as though it's a point of disagreement?

Mackenzie may have taken over as the #1 stopper. Yes, that's fine. The issue is whether Schofield has taken over as #2. He hasn't. Therefore, saying Glass is now the third tall is a self-evidently bogus argument.

The club have exposed MacKenzie to taking the oppositions best KP forward for 90% of the game and played Glass in the similar role Geelong played Scarlett, the backline general who played on the oppositions #3 forward so he could zone off more and use his experience.

You just keep asserting this without demonstrating anything – pretty much the tenor of your entire post. Simply using terms like "backline general", just calling it something and hoping it flies, is not a workable substitute for a coherent argument.

Scarlett was able to play far more as that third tall because he had Taylor and Lonergan in support. These guys were genuine key defenders in a way Schofield is not.

So Scarlett was released far more than Glass has been. That's where the Scarlett comparison breaks down but you seem determined to ignore it and keep ploughing the same erroneous furrow. It's a thumbnail sketch of why you're not very good at this: you are simply unable to process and deal with any counter-argument that challenges your little talking points.

You are beating your chest on who's our best where I am discussing what roles are being played by who and that Glass's role has changed in order to develop Glass's replacement post retirement.

I agree that Glass's role has changed, with Mackenzie often taking the best forward and becoming the #1 stopper.

But Glass is still the FB, not a 'third tall'. If anything, Schofield is the third tall. In your lengthy, meandering post, you haven't come close to demonstrating otherwise.

 

[Double the Fist]

Fair question, in my opinion he is just a stopper. Not really a replacement for glass who can run of his player.
Having said that I would like to see more of him play to see what 10-15 games in a row does to improve him

Can anyone tell me how well he did in the WAFL last year? I'm still not sold on if he is up to it!
Don't want him to go, but just don't believe he's even half of what Glass is worth.

Glass half empty if you will.......

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Can anyone tell me how well he did in the WAFL last year? I'm still not sold on if he is up to it!
Don't want him to go, but just don't believe he's even half of what Glass is worth.

Glass half empty if you will.......

Brown was terrific in the WAFL late last year, keeping the best forwards in the comp like Jones etc either goalless or close to it. He's clearly AFL standard.

 

[Double the Fist]

Brown was terrific in the WAFL late last year, keeping the best forwards in the comp like Jones etc either goalless or close to it. He's clearly AFL standard.

Cool. Look forward to seeing him more then.
THnx for the reply t89

 

[sydney eagle]

Glass looks to be the hardest of the group mentioned to replace. Unless we can convert one of the young tall forwards (McInnes or Colledge) into defenders we will need to invest in another fullback type before too long.

 

[Obeanie1]

I agree that Glass's role has changed, with Mackenzie often taking the best forward and becoming the #1 stopper.
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In your lengthy, meandering post, you haven't come close to demonstrating otherwise.

Couldn't even bother reading all that guff Gunner but I did note two items of interest at the end there;

1. the first was you agreed with what I was saying, Glass's role has changed and MacKenzie now takes the #1 opposition KP forward. Thats the very point I was making.
2. the second was that doosey of a line you used regarding a "lengthy, meandering post".

How would you describe your posts on here BTW?

If only fish would bite as consistently and hard as you do Gunner I'd hold multiple world records.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Couldn't even bother reading all that guff Gunner but I did note two items of interest at the end there

You mean you couldn't be bothered reading a thorough, properly constructed argument that leaves yours in ruins?

Sadly, I'm not surprised.

Is this the best you can do to defend your position? Simply refusing to acknowledge that you've been left without a leg to stand on? You're like Monty Python's Black Knight: "'Tis only a flesh wound!"

the first was you agreed with what I was saying, Glass's role has changed and MacKenzie now takes the #1 opposition KP forward. Thats the very point I was making.

I've never disputed that Mackenzie is now our preferred stopper on plenty of the best forwards.

I took issue with you claiming Glass is, as a result, now a 'third tall'. Isn't it quite obvious that there is a step missing in the middle?

If Mackenzie is now our #1 stopper, surely that makes Glass, at worst, #2, who still plays as a genuine FB. How does he go from that to being a third tall?

You've completely failed to explain that and a five-year-old could see the flaw in your logic - it's as plain as the difference between two and three.

the second was that doosey of a line you used regarding a "lengthy, meandering post".

How would you describe your posts on here BTW?

They don't meander.

Unlike yours, which simply repeat discredited arguments without establishing or rebutting anything.

If only fish would bite as consistently and hard as you do Gunner I'd hold multiple world records.

Sure, you'd hold a world record for having your nose rubbed in it. Congratulations!

Don't pretend you enjoy it. It won't fool anyone. You've come up woefully short. As usual.

 

[Hairy Lager]

Lighten up ID, you are boring and no fun. Yawn.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Lighten up ID, you are boring and no fun. Yawn.

My apologies. That one needs a good hiding from time to time. Otherwise he gets idea above his station.

It's like giving your dog a flea bath. Your dog doesn't like it. But he doesn't like fleas either. This board is like the dog and, well, you get the idea.

Now, chew on this special bone I got for your and I'll scratch your tummy.

 

[Hairy Lager]

My apologies. That one needs a good hiding from time to time.

Otherwise he gets idea above his station.

It's like giving your dog a flea bath. Your dog doesn't like it. But he doesn't like fleas either. This board is like the dog and, well, you get the idea.

Now, chew on this special bone I got for your and I'll scratch your tummy.

Yes, from dork to party flog in flat out no time, YES you are redeemed, now skull a beer...

 

[Hairy Lager]

Oh, and scratch on TUM TUMS is good. Shakes hind leg uncontrollably.

 

[Obeanie1]

My apologies. That one needs a good hiding from time to time.

Otherwise he gets idea above his station.

It's like giving your dog a flea bath. Your dog doesn't like it. But he doesn't like fleas either. This board is like the dog and, well, you get the idea.

Now, chew on this special bone I got for your and I'll scratch your tummy.

Hiding?

Only flogging around here is you behind your monitor Gunner. And I don't want to mention who's got the bone in their hand.

I seem to recall giving you a fair touch up about a year ago and we didn't hear from you for six months, or did they take away your internet rights where you were getting help. And when you came back you changed names to this Dargie alias.

Geeez you are the ultimate internet keyboard hero Gunner, so inflated with your own opinion of yourself that no one else can have an opinion unless they agree with you. You are so desperate to be heard you create thread after thread both here and on the main board and when anyone has an opinion different to your you hound them to death with mutli post after multi post until you kill any interest in the topic or people get tired of reading you rehash smart arse lines you obviously spend most of your life thinking up.

I loved the new guy's comment a few weeks ago "all you do is argue about what words mean". That sums you up perfectly actually.

Keep it up I find it quite amusing actually.

PS - geeeeez can't wait until the season starts

 

[Ian Dargie]

I seem to recall giving you a fair touch up about a year ago and we didn't hear from you for six months, or did they take away your internet rights where you were getting help. And when you came back you changed names to this Dargie alias.

Please. Don't kid yourself. You've never so much as laid a glove on me.

And this exchange reveals precisely why: you are completely incapable of building a coherent argument and are then forced to bail frantically when it inevitably goes pear-shaped and you're left holding an empty sack.

A year ago? Wasn't that when you were telling me how the 2012 midfield had the 2006 group covered? Or have you deliberately forgotten that car crash?

Geeez you are the ultimate internet keyboard hero Gunner, so inflated with your own opinion of yourself that no one else can have an opinion unless they agree with you. You are so desperate to be heard you create thread after thread both here and on the main board and when anyone has an opinion different to your you hound them to death with mutli post after multi post until you kill any interest in the topic or people get tired of reading you rehash smart arse lines you obviously spend most of your life thinking up.

Do you think this garbage compensates for the acute failure of your arguments?

This is where you always end up, getting schooled on the topic and reverting to a shrill, wounded little rant.

By avoiding the issue, you are basically conceding that you've lost, while emphasising your own bitterness. Unless you figure out a different approach – more sense, less bluster – you don't stand a chance.

I loved the new guy's comment a few weeks ago "all you do is argue about what words mean". That sums you up perfectly actually.

Except this exchange shows it to be patently untrue.

We're arguing about your absurd claim that Glass is now a third tall, a claim you've conspicuously abandoned after your argument got demolished, forcing you to pretend it wasn't the issue in the first place. It's jarringly inadequate.

 

[Eagles77]

Obeanie and Ian Dargie, why don't you both take each others ***** out each others mouth and whack it in your hands, so you both stop the spouting of the horrible trolling attempts? Next you'll both argue who can spit and catch semen better. McLean would be proud of both your charades and would probably fly both of you personally to headline the Mardi Gra Sydney. Go share a soggy biscuit and piss off.


And for my opinion for the forums sake, Glass.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Obeanie and Ian Dargie, why don't you both take each others ***** out each others mouth and whack it in your hands, so you both stop the spouting of the horrible trolling attempts? Next you'll both argue who can spit and catch semen better.

I'm afraid that kind of detail says more about you than it does about me (or even the other guy).

What kind of parties do you go to, champ?

And for my opinion for the forums sake, Glass.

Oh, for the forum's sake! Thank God.

 

[Eagles77]

I'm afraid that kind of detail says more about you than it does about me (or even the other guy).

What kind of parties do you go to, champ?

Just the bukkake parties your missus organizes whilst your stroking your e-peen.

Oh, for the forum's sake! Thank God.

Thank me later, in the meantime you've got a sword to swallow!

 

[Ian Dargie]

Just the bukkake parties your missus organizes whilst your stroking your e-peen.

When did you discover that you liked being in a room full of naked men?

This has been illuminating.

 

[Eagles77]

If you're into standing in a room full of naked men?

Anyway, it's been illuminating.

Isn't too hard being as dull as yourself.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Isn't too hard being as dull as yourself.

I guess it took two whole posts for you to exhaust your material?

You had a line about gay fellatio and one about bukkake and now you're spent.

Well played, sir.

 

[matt_bas]

Can anyone tell me how well he did in the WAFL last year? I'm still not sold on if he is up to it!
Don't want him to go, but just don't believe he's even half of what Glass is worth.

Glass half empty if you will.......

Played well all year. Going on wafl form he'd be playing in most afl sides