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Most of the poor players this year have been the senior guys - Duggan, OAllen (2 captains.....), Liam Ryan, Kelly
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Are West Coast the worst team since Fitzroy 1996?
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24/44 players on the list are under 23. 55% of tje list. No other team is in that boat. The reason we recruited some senior players is we have a huge gap in the middle of our list, and you need some senior bodies to take the hits that the youngsters can't cope with week in week out yet.
We've won 2 quarters for the year which you'd have to say is sub optimal.
Should get a couple of end of first round priority picks based on precedent. If Oscar goes that would be another top 3 pick. Just need to get games into the young mids in a way that is sustainable. But they lack senior support around them. Hewett and Reid obviously but Gross and Hall and Hutchinson have shown positive signs in there. It's so hard when you don't really have any AFL level senior mids to lead and take pressure off though. Yeo is injured, Kelly dropped for form and the others like Baker Graham Duggan are only part time midfielders.
I like the look of the young forwards Williams and Reid and some of the half backs Hough Ginbey and Maric. Wouldn't surprise me if one of the other key forwards on our list end up in defence as young KPDs are lacking.
Should get a couple of end of first round priority picks based on precedent. If Oscar goes that would be another top 3 pick. Just need to get games into the young mids in a way that is sustainable. But they lack senior support around them. Hewett and Reid obviously but Gross and Hall and Hutchinson have shown positive signs in there. It's so hard when you don't really have any AFL level senior mids to lead and take pressure off though. Yeo is injured, Kelly dropped for form and the others like Baker Graham Duggan are only part time midfielders.
I like the look of the young forwards Williams and Reid and some of the half backs Hough Ginbey and Maric. Wouldn't surprise me if one of the other key forwards on our list end up in defence as young KPDs are lacking.
Not sure why the comparison continues to be Fitzroy, especially when we have another current team going worse than what Fitzroy did.
For me, it is over the longer term that team's level of ineptitude is really measured.
In Fitzroy's final 6 seasons, a team that was broke and actively being killed off, they managed just 31 wins.
In the AFL era, 3 awful teams have performed worse over a 6 year period, and amazingly, their records are identical to each other. They are....
1. Sydney 1990-1995 who had 28 wins and 2 draws
2. Carlton 2002 to 2007 who has 28 wins and 2 draws
3. Gold Coast 2015 to 2020 who had 28 wins and 2 draws
(The 'Neeld era' Demons had their worst 6 year patch from 2010 to 2015 with 33 wins and 2 draws).
The worst team of the AFL era, however, is clearly North Melbourne. People still seem to underestimate just how bad they are going.
Over the last 6 seasons (2020-2025), they have managed just 14 wins and 1 draw. That is literally (and exactly) HALF as many wins as the next worst team of the AFL era. It could therefore be argued they are TWICE as bad as the next worst team. Given the 6th year (2025) is not over yet, North would needs to win 14.5 more games this year (in other words, finish top 4) just to equal the next historically worst side of the AFL era. What makes this worse, is that the next worst is Sydney, who were broke, in a new market and as largely pre-equalisation. North, on the other hand, has had priority picks, extra list spots, generous FA compensation and other equalisation measures. Sydney also finished on top of the ladder and made the Grand Final after their 6 years of horror. I can't see North getting anywhere near the 2026 minor premiership. It's genuinely unprecedented just how bad they have been.
(FWIW, West Coast's last 6 years, including 2025, has produced 32 wins. They would need to be horrible for the rest of this year, next year and the year after to be drawing any comparison to North Melbourne, with the assumption North don't continue to be horrible themselves).
For me, it is over the longer term that team's level of ineptitude is really measured.
In Fitzroy's final 6 seasons, a team that was broke and actively being killed off, they managed just 31 wins.
In the AFL era, 3 awful teams have performed worse over a 6 year period, and amazingly, their records are identical to each other. They are....
1. Sydney 1990-1995 who had 28 wins and 2 draws
2. Carlton 2002 to 2007 who has 28 wins and 2 draws
3. Gold Coast 2015 to 2020 who had 28 wins and 2 draws
(The 'Neeld era' Demons had their worst 6 year patch from 2010 to 2015 with 33 wins and 2 draws).
The worst team of the AFL era, however, is clearly North Melbourne. People still seem to underestimate just how bad they are going.
Over the last 6 seasons (2020-2025), they have managed just 14 wins and 1 draw. That is literally (and exactly) HALF as many wins as the next worst team of the AFL era. It could therefore be argued they are TWICE as bad as the next worst team. Given the 6th year (2025) is not over yet, North would needs to win 14.5 more games this year (in other words, finish top 4) just to equal the next historically worst side of the AFL era. What makes this worse, is that the next worst is Sydney, who were broke, in a new market and as largely pre-equalisation. North, on the other hand, has had priority picks, extra list spots, generous FA compensation and other equalisation measures. Sydney also finished on top of the ladder and made the Grand Final after their 6 years of horror. I can't see North getting anywhere near the 2026 minor premiership. It's genuinely unprecedented just how bad they have been.
(FWIW, West Coast's last 6 years, including 2025, has produced 32 wins. They would need to be horrible for the rest of this year, next year and the year after to be drawing any comparison to North Melbourne, with the assumption North don't continue to be horrible themselves).
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Because poor Fitzroy at the end of 1996 was just a corpse swinging in the breeze, waiting for someone to finally cut it down. By the halfway mark of the year, if you didn't rack up a 10-goal win against the Roys, you'd basically lost.
Yeah I made a similar point (although nowhere near as detailed as you have outlined) in another thread.
North have finished above West Coast once since 2014, and that was just by percentage.
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Allen - checked out, fitness, whatever.
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Yeo - 2024 was his first full season in years.
Sheed - not best 22. hasn't performed in years.
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No we're now worse than Fitzroy 96.
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You should have beaten essendon, don’t get so down in the mouth.
Still got Richmond twice and we all know our players are fair game if your guys want to punch on
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We've won 2 quarters this year - 2 quarters. For some reason during this dark period we've got close to Essendon. I think Richmond and North have won at least 10. They just seem far more competitive and dangerous than us. We can barely get it down the field without turning it over. I think we'll win 2 or 3, but am prepared to be the first AFL side to go winless.
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Eagles better start winning at some point, one of our picks needs to end up being pick 1
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It turned out to be a fluke season where everything possibly had a chance to go wrong, went wrong. 0-17 then 2-20 in 2001. It was wedged between an 8-win season in 2000 and a 9-win season in 2002.
no different to freos 2016 season in 2016 when freo went 0-10 crippled with injuries and ended up with 4 wins and 18 losses. wedged between a 17-win season in 2015 and an 8-win season in 2017.
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bad but not as bad as the demons 2012-3 side under Mark Neeld as coach or the 1992-4 Sydney side that won 3 games in 1992, 1 win in 1993 and 4 games in 1994.
when crows went 0-13, the lost at least 3 or 4 narrow games in the 1st 10 rounds.
Crows finished with 3 wins and 14 losses and a percentage of 64.4.
they go 4-13 or 5-12, they finished 17th above North.
hawks and swans were 5-12 with a percentage of 84 and 82 percent respectively. Gold coast had 5 wins and a draw and a percentage of 90 percent.
Shows the crows 2020 season was a fluke because most things went bad.
Crows finished 15th in 2021 with 7 wins and 15 losses. But at least you got wins early. at least 3 wins by round 10.
crows finished 14th in 2022 with 8 wins and 14 losses. Like 2021, crows got at least 3 wins in the 1st 10 games. one of them was a narrow 4-point win in the showdown in round 3
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2 totally different situations.
West coast is just poo through problems of their own making.... Partially correct. Mind you the eagles had that 6 year finals run from 2015-2020. they relied on certain players for 5 or 6 years straight. no early picks from 2014 to 2021 because they were finals contenders. They finished 9th in 2014 and 2021. So, from 2014-21, they had no top 5 or top 10 picks due to being higher on the ladder.
Fitzroys 1993-96 team had some players you already mentioned. Could they have won a flag by say 2000 or 2001? unlikely but possible. could they have won finals by 2000 or 2001? possibly. the finals system changed in 2000.
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Fitzroy's record 1991 - 1996
1991 - 4 wins 18 losses
1992 - 9 wins 13 losses
1993 - 10 wins 10 losses (2 wins and 16% from playing in finals. Lost three of theose 10 losses by under a goal - Round 3 - 3 points- , Round 4, 1 point, Round 10 - 4 points, )
Lost Lynch, Broderick, Gale, Dundas, J. Elliott, Stephens at the end of the season. Gained Jeff Hogg
1994 - 5 wins 17 losses
Lost Roos, Armstrong, R. Lyon. Gained Martin Pike.
1995 - 2 wins 20 losses
1996 - 1 win 21 losses
Fitzroy in 1992-93 was a very competitive side on the field.
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Mm, I think that Hawthorn, Sydney and Geelong have all shown that it's possible to go a long time without top picks, without also dipping into wooden spoon territory.
That's especially true given that the Eagles are the big dog in a footy-mad state.
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Hawks did play finals in 2018. After going out in straight sets in 2018 didn't play finals games until 2024.
So no finals in that 5 year span of 2019 to 2023.
Hawks didn't finish near the wooden spoon territory. Not even bottom 2. 5 wins and 12 losses in 2020. They then had 7 or 8 win seasons in 2021, 2022 and 2023.
Hawks did finish 16th in 2023 with 7 wins and 16 losses. The 2 teams that finished below them had 3 wins each
You also just cannot overestimate the awful effect of knowing that you were on a sinking ship.
Players have, IIRC, talked about how in the last couple of months in particular, it was just horrible - most players knew they probably weren't going to be picked up by the Bears, they needed to make an impression and play for their own stats. The place just got hugely despondent and they were playing out the last of their careers.
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The Crows had two narrow losses in the entire season. Not 3 or 4 in the first 10 rounds. Their third "best" loss was a 20 points.
North meanwhile had two losses with 1 goal, and 2 more losses with 2 goals.
Their first win was coming off a bye against a Hawthorn side on a 4 day break.
Their 75 point loss to Port (in a game with 16 minute quarters) was the biggest loss of the year. The next worst being their 69 point loss to 17th placed North. There were 5 matches with 10+ goal wins. The Crows lost two of them.
Percentages in 2020 are poor to compare to other seasons, because the compressed season resulted in lots of teams looking to get a 5 goal lead and then shut up shop to conserve energy.
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After the "merger" announcement on 4th July 1996, the place was very despondent. Going to club functions at the Fitzroy Club Hotel was quite sad. Everyone knew that after one hundred years of participation in the VFL-AFL it was all going to end very soon. For those that had put their heart and soul into the club it was crushing. I personally felt an intense sense of sadness, anger and frustration for several months, so I can't imagine what those who were closer to the situation, such as the coaching staff, officials and players must have felt. Attending that last Fitzroy match in Melbourne at the MCG against the Tigers as a member and supporter was an extremely sad day, so for the players on that day and in those last few weeks that feeling must have been overwhelming.
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Looks like the only answer to the eagles problems is to do what Fitzroy did and merge with us. One by one, we will absorb every club in the competition.
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We were Horrific in 2011 and 2012 we only Won 8 Games. I would say worse than West Coast because They are Rich while we were Poor, and we only Won more Games because the Expansion Clubs came in 2011 and 2012.
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