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The humble flag: An emblem which depicts the fair morals and rich history of a nation. A flag symbolises a people and gives them a sense of pride. Although most important of all, a flag should be guiding star, which all citizens can turn to good times and in bad, and be a reminder of their freedom. For generations, Australians have dreamed of a flag that would reflect the unique beauty that is Australia. Our flag today does not live up to this dream. Australia's flag today depicts a story of oppression and does not give a sense of identification for the Australian people. As Australian citizens, we need a flag that we can be proud to call our own.

Australia was first settled under British command and so we have been under the watchful eye of the monarchy to this day. What the British failed to discover, more over, ignored, was the presence of the aboriginal people who had been the original custodians of the land for thousands of years. Today there is no acknowledgement of the aboriginal people on our flag at all, yet we can blatantly see the british mark, the Union Jack.
Also when we look closely at the Anglo Australian's today we see that the majority of them are descendants of Irish convicts and settlers. The Irish at the time of Australia's settlement, were conquered by the English monarchy and fought to obtain their own rights in Ireland. This conflict was brought to Australia with the English having full command over the Irish prisoners who had been forced to pay homage to their English oppressors and the Union Jack. It rages me to see that the Union Jack is on our flag today when it was a clear sign of English oppression to the majority of the first white Australian's durring the 1800's.
During the Gold Rush, immigration exploded in Australia with people flocking to Oz from places in Europe, Africa and Asia as well as Great Britain. This time period is significant to Australian history. The famous Eureka Stockade was a presentation of the great Australian fighting spirt. This was fought between two parties. One was the multicultural Australian miners, who fought under the Southern Cross for their rights. The other party was the British government, which fought for money lust and power, under the infamous Union Jack. Having both emblems on our flag is simply contradictory. With the Union Jack on our flag, we are saying that those miners died in vien and that British oppression will always be apparent in Australia.
Over the years, thousands of immigrants from across the globe have called Australia home.
From World War I in 1914, immigration to Australia sky rocketed with over 7.5 million people immigrating from countries like Greece, Italy, Germany, Poland, France, Vietnam, Philippines, Korea, Netherlands, Lebanon, Croatia, Serbia, Russia, Portugal, Japan, and Spain to name a few. Today there has been an influx of immigration from places like Malta, Turkey, India, Iraq and Indonesia. Today over 27% of the Australian population was born over sea's and almost half of the Australian population are decedents of Non-British backgrounds. This shows that our flag does not accurately represent the huge mix that is Australian culture. As quoted in our national anthem, Australia is made up of many different peoples with different cultural backgrounds but united as one. We must ask ourselves the question: Why have the Union Jack on the Australian national flag when most of its citizens do not have any ties with Great Britain at all?
To be untied as one country we must just change our flag immediately. The Union Jack was once on all Commonwealth countries flags. Today Australia is one of the only developed Commonwealth countries to still have the Union Jack (New Zealand). Countries like Canada and South Africa have moved on and replaced it with something that represented them – not Britain. The Union Jack does not represent the Australian people, it represents the British people. When Australians go to war, they fight for Australian freedom, not because of British obligations. And when Australians are participating on the world stage, we must be led by a flag that we can be proud to call Australian.
 
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The one reason half of us even care is because the current one is pretty ugly, and you want to make it worse? You heartless bastard

Reality, dont really care however i'll bite

A lot of our culture comes from britan so its fitting we pay tribute in our flag to represent basically where we've come from. From everything from the Legal system, Language, Writing, Customs, Sports and many more, you could go on.

And to represent the aborigional people? they have a flag, its a really nice looking flag as well. Im sure they'll be just as pissed if we stole something from them again and paste it over and claim it as us. They fought for ages to find an identity and some people just want to knock it off and apply it to all of us, Cruel Cruel people we sometimes are.,

So your saying we should snub the british, who make up the majority of our background because we're multicultural?
 
I didn't read your whole post, but I got the crux of it.

Massively disagree with you. The argument that the flag doesn't represent ethnic populations is a massive strawman. Often comes from well to do White kids. I contend that the Australian flag represents freedom, hope and opportunity for many immigrants from countries far away.

Why are we so keen to change everything about ourselves. The flag? Our national anthem? Our system of government?

Australians have a serious case of identity crisis.
 

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The one reason half of us even care is because the current one is pretty ugly, and you want to make it worse? You heartless bastard

Reality, dont really care however i'll bite

A lot of our culture comes from britan so its fitting we pay tribute in our flag to represent basically where we've come from. From everything from the Legal system, Language, Writing, Customs, Sports and many more, you could go on.

And to represent the aborigional people? they have a flag, its a really nice looking flag as well. Im sure they'll be just as pissed if we stole something from them again and paste it over and claim it as us. They fought for ages to find an identity and some people just want to knock it off and apply it to all of us, Cruel Cruel people we sometimes are.,

So your saying we should snub the british, who make up the majority of our background because we're multicultural?


The Bitish flag does not represent Ausrtalia at all. Just because Britain colonised Ausrtalia, it does not mean that we are a phototcopy. How can you say that! We are Ausralian's no matter what country our great forefathers came form, we are united as one people and should be united under one flag. Have you forgotten our history. Eureka stockade? As Ausralian's the british have been oppressors. Peter Lalor, look him up!
Just because the majority of Ausralian's have northern europen backgrounds does not mean we need to pay homage to those countries. We cannot go on with this flag, its totally unaustralian. The Union Jack is a sign of oppression and a monachy which has no relevance in current Australian society. Most of North America are of Northern european descent but they have created an identity for themselves. What about aboriginal's? What about southern western and eastern European Migrants? What about asian migrants? They count for allot of Ausralian's.

The words of Jerry Seinfeld: The Ausralian flag; Britain at night. :eek: We are the laughuing stock of the world.
 
I didn't read your whole post, but I got the crux of it.

Massively disagree with you. The argument that the flag doesn't represent ethnic populations is a massive strawman. Often comes from well to do White kids. I contend that the Australian flag represents freedom, hope and opportunity for many immigrants from countries far away.

Why are we so keen to change everything about ourselves. The flag? Our national anthem? Our system of government?

Australians have a serious case of identity crisis.

Australia wants to change these aspect's because, well, they are simply not Ausralian. My great grand father came to Ausralia in the 1910's. When he saw the flag he believed he saw a country without an identy but with the most multicultural community in the world. I assure you that the Union jack is not a crowd pleaser to any other counrty in the world (Nortern Ireland for example)! Read the section on eureka stockade please. The southern cross represents freedom not the union jack. The Uk flag shows oppression not freedom. How can having the flag of another country on our flag be Ausralian?
 
Australia wants to change these aspect's because, well, they are simply not Ausralian. My great grand father came to Ausralia in the 1910's. When he saw the flag he believed he saw a country without an identy but with the most multicultural community in the world. I assure you that the Union jack is not a crowd pleaser to any other counrty in the world (Nortern Ireland for example)! Read the section on eureka stockade please. The southern cross represents freedom not the union jack. The Uk flag shows oppression not freedom. How can having the flag of another country on our flag be Ausralian?



Who wants to change the anthem and government? :confused:
 
It should be the aboriginal flag.

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You heartless bastard, first we take the aborigional land, then the children, now you want to steal a flag that THEY identify with their people, what the hell is wrong with you!??!

The Bitish flag does not represent Ausrtalia at all. Just because Britain colonised Ausrtalia, it does not mean that we are a phototcopy. How can you say that! We are Ausralian's no matter what country our great forefathers came form, we are united as one people and should be united under one flag. Have you forgotten our history. Eureka stockade? As Ausralian's the british have been oppressors. Peter Lalor, look him up!
Just because the majority of Ausralian's have northern europen backgrounds does not mean we need to pay homage to those countries. We cannot go on with this flag, its totally unaustralian. The Union Jack is a sign of oppression and a monachy which has no relevance in current Australian society. Most of North America are of Northern european descent but they have created an identity for themselves. What about aboriginal's? What about southern western and eastern European Migrants? What about asian migrants? They count for allot of Ausralian's.

The words of Jerry Seinfeld: The Ausralian flag; Britain at night. :eek: We are the laughuing stock of the world.

Jerry Seinfeld made a joke? Uh oh, if comedians are pulling fun of something we know its serious!

Now i dont really understand your resentment of britan, or how you can be so passionate and not be able to even spell the country you live in.

So australia is diverse? Thats fine, but why is it a must to take the british flag off our own purely because the migrant intake which seems to be a huge part of your rant. I dont think Asian/South American Islander or even aliens would care at all that there is a british flag on their new adopted countrys flag, if you did you might as well send them back because something aint right with them

You seem to label britan as a evil oppressive type of black sludge which still infects our land, However they were nice enough to let us Vote to seperate from england rather then forcing us to go to war

Know i know we're not technically indipendant but its nice that they let us run ourselves.
 

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I like our current one.

If we did have to change it tho should have something to do with the kangaroo and emu on each side of the Southern Cross, being in the middle. cbf making a design as i am shit at it and just impatient.

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I love the Eureka Stockade flag.

I was in favour of changing our flag when I was young, but now I am dead against it. Why change something that has so much meaning to so many Australians? And you don't need to be anglo-saxon for it to have meaning for you - from wars, to sporting contests we have all seen Australia fight / perform under our current flag. That is why the overwhelming majority of us love it.

Australia wants to change these aspect's because, well, they are simply not Ausralian. My great grand father came to Ausralia in the 1910's. When he saw the flag he believed he saw a country without an identy but with the most multicultural community in the world. I assure you that the Union jack is not a crowd pleaser to any other counrty in the world (Nortern Ireland for example)! Read the section on eureka stockade please. The southern cross represents freedom not the union jack. The Uk flag shows oppression not freedom. How can having the flag of another country on our flag be Ausralian?

That is kind of funny about a country that has probably done as much in the history of the world to promote freedom than any other (the emergence of democracy and common law; one of the earliest abolitions of slavery; WWI and especially WWII). I understand the anti-britain viewpoint (not everything they have done has always been the best), but I just think it's complete b/s. We should be proud of our heritage ironically largely based on freedom, which continues to this day.
 
i dont see the flag as iconically australian........id rather the flag be along the lines of canada`s maple or japans rising sun or lebanons cedar tree or americas stars and stripes.....when you see those flags you know exactly who it represents....dont ask me what it should be coz im not sure but im not for changing the flag for the sake of change.
 
I support changing the flag. I feel it is greatly unsatisfactory to have the flag of another nation on it. It looks and feels terrible. I'm not British.

Sadly for me and like minded souls the current flag is seemingly popular (somehow).
 
You heartless bastard, first we take the aborigional land, then the children, now you want to steal a flag that THEY identify with their people, what the hell is wrong with you!??!
Not at all, Australia is their land, not ours, and Australia's flag should be their own flag, not some flag with the bloody union jack on it.
 
I support changing the flag. I feel it is greatly unsatisfactory to have the flag of another nation on it. It looks and feels terrible. I'm not British.

Sadly for me and like minded souls the current flag is seemingly popular (somehow).
It's popular because we've all grown up with it and have formed an attachment to it. If the flag was changed, you'd still see our current one being waved. I'm sure later generations would probably come to accept it and love it though.

I'd like a Kangaroo on the flag if it were changed.
 

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Southern Cross as it is, change the flag colour to green and gold and either chuck a boxing kangaroos or the aboriginal flag where the union jack is.
 
A lot of our culture comes from britan so its fitting we pay tribute in our flag to represent basically where we've come from. From everything from the Legal system, Language, Writing, Customs, Sports and many more, you could go on.

So your saying we should snub the british, who make up the majority of our background because we're multicultural?

Now i dont really understand your resentment of britan, or how you can be so passionate and not be able to even spell the country you live in.

Removing the Union Jack would not snub the British. Ask any Brit if they would be slighted. It's pretty ridiculous in this day and age that any country has another country's flag on their own. Apart from some small Caribbean and Pacific islands, only Australia and New Zealand have the Union Jack.

We all come from somewhere. It's just that most countries don't harbour some need to forver explicitly show where some of us came from. We have history books, we have memories. Australia does not need to heritage list the flag and the monarchy. We should move on.
 
You heartless bastard, first we take the aborigional land, then the children, now you want to steal a flag that THEY identify with their people, what the hell is wrong with you!??!



Jerry Seinfeld made a joke? Uh oh, if comedians are pulling fun of something we know its serious!

Now i dont really understand your resentment of britan, or how you can be so passionate and not be able to even spell the country you live in.

So australia is diverse? Thats fine, but why is it a must to take the british flag off our own purely because the migrant intake which seems to be a huge part of your rant. I dont think Asian/South American Islander or even aliens would care at all that there is a british flag on their new adopted countrys flag, if you did you might as well send them back because something aint right with them

You seem to label britan as a evil oppressive type of black sludge which still infects our land, However they were nice enough to let us Vote to seperate from england rather then forcing us to go to war

Know i know we're not technically indipendant but its nice that they let us run ourselves.

If you are going to get me on a spelling error then you really need to find some other way to find a chink in my post.
You really need to do your history on what the Union jack means to the majority of people worldwide. For your information the union jack was opposed on many islander flags but Britain wanted to keep it there. They wanted to keep it on all of their colonies flags. We are no longer a colony but a nation.
England only let us vote for ourselves and govern ourselves, (might i add, with many restrictions) only after there had been many revolts and the population had grown beyond the monarchy's expectations. They needed people who would govern Australia from Australia because a long distance government was just to hard for them to handle. (Hence the governor general and then later the prime mister obtained the majority of governing rights/power.)
Also in WW1 AND 2 we were forced to go to war under the Queen of England. You really need to research our history! So many young Australian lives lost under a British flag. Our enemies (Which were created for us by the English) thought that they were fighting the english for god sake.
I have nothing against the British today and i never have. Their empire was grand. It is the people who believe that we need to suck up to british still, and almost thank them as our mighty gods is crazy!
They are not us and we are not them. We are both great nations in many respects and we no longer need to kiss their ass.
 
i dont see the flag as iconically australian........id rather the flag be along the lines of canada`s maple or japans rising sun or lebanons cedar tree or americas stars and stripes.....when you see those flags you know exactly who it represents....dont ask me what it should be coz im not sure but im not for changing the flag for the sake of change.

Spot on mate!
 

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