Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 6

[Eagleboy2011]

Hahaha.. posts another load of unmitigated shite from X..
Expects to be taken seriously..

And quoting Julian Lesser from the LNP opposition no less! Gee.. What a surprise he’s having a dig at Albo!.. well I never!

We need a Royal Commission alright!.. into just how shit the LNP coalition have become in the past few years.

How is it that the once great liberal party in this coumty have become a completely unelectable rabble that have chucked all the statemenship norms of putting aside your differences and aligning yourself with government in times of crisis, and instead are reduced to using a terror attack on Australiam soil to try and score cheap political points.

They are a bunch of toes.. lower than c u in the nts.

And you can be guaranteed they are going to overdo it.. they always do as they are talentless morons who the majority of Aussies are awake to nowdays.
Their media backers in the Murdoch papers and Skynews are ignored by the great majority and no longer have the same effect as they did ten years ago.

Too many “chicken little” moments in politics from them over the past decade or so has seen to that.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Oh.. the irony of this post!

 

[Doctor B]

 

[ADL9798]

Hear Hear.

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Have you ever hosted a gathering in your home? Were you selective about who you invited? Did you expect your guests to respect your way of life? We’ve all hosted people in our homes. We are selective in who we invite, and we expect our guests to respect our house rules. Whether it’s a birthday party, barbecue or Christmas lunch—our guests respect the rules, or we ask them to leave. The same expectations apply for those who come to Australia. That’s why the Bondi terror attack was so confronting for us. We witnessed the cold-blooded murder of Australians who were observing a peaceful religious festival by the sea. They were Jewish Australians observing Chanukah, but they could have been you or me. It was an attack on all of us. And it was led and carried out by a man who was a guest in our country. That’s right—the father who led the attack wasn’t even an Australian citizen. We let him into Australia as a guest, and he broke every single house rule. He attacked our home, and murdered our people. Bondi Beach became a battlefield with police gunfighting Islamic jihadists. The Prime Minister won’t say it, but I will: we need to talk about immigration and citizenship. The truth is that Labor’s uncontrolled borders are posing a risk to our security. Labor is hosting a big gathering in Australia: the invite has gone out across the globe, and they don’t seem too bothered about checking who walks through our door. You and I are sick of hearing from Labor that Australia is “the most successful multicultural country in the world”. If that were true, why are Australian families mourning the murder of loved ones gunned down by a terrorist and his Australian-born son? A terrorist who was on a visa. A terrorist who was shaped and motivated by radical Islam. We need to talk about this, and we need change. A massive 2026 campaign against Labor’s immigration failures is not just urgent. Our nation depends on it. We know that Labor is letting historical numbers of people into Australia. You and I see it every day. But it’s not only the numbers that matter. Our primary concern is the type of people coming to our shores. We want people who speak English, share our values, and love Australia. Law-abiding people who make great guests, and who can become permanent members of the Australian community. The Prime Minister does not have the will to tackle immigration. He’s on track to bring in two million people by the end of his second term. He doesn’t care what this is doing to our country. That leaves it to us. It up to you and me to get the job done. The only way to win this fight is to build a campaign big enough to shift the debate, and fight it on our terms. That’s why I’m asking you to right now help fund a massive push against Labor’s immigration failures. Your support today will help hit a critical $275,000 election fighting fund target, before the December 31 deadline. I am asking you to help fund hard-hitting advertising, direct voter communication, and the groundwork needed to take this fight to every corner of the country. I am asking you to support my campaign so I can continue to be your voice fighting to close the door on Labor’s out-of-control immigration. This is the defining issue for Australia’s future. Please stand with me and help make this campaign impossible to ignore. Regards Andrew Hastie Member for Canning

Firstly, noteworthy that Hastie has not referenced the Liberal Party once in this media release.

Secondly, thank you for illustrating my earlier point so perfectly.

If you really want to go down the path of blaming immigration for the Bondi attack, you need to acknowledge the facts that:

1. Both the Bondi shooter and the Lindt Cafe shooter arrived in Australia under the John Howard LNP government in 1998 and 2001 respectively.
2. Our migration intake structurally doubled during the 2000s under the John Howard LNP government (including a doubling of our permanent migration intake to present day levels). The international student visa program also became uncapped and demand driven.
   • https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-20/migration-figures-under-prime-minister-john-howard/9465114

But of course, as Hastie tries to argue above, these issues were solely a failure of the Albanese Labor government and the people they let into Australia from 2022-25.




As pointed out in the National Migration Strategy (tellingly, the first in our nation’s history), our migration system is important to our prosperity but has been left on autopilot by successive governments, drifting without a clear plan for how to get migration best serving our national interest. Labor will rightly now be judged on how they go implementing this strategy.

But anyone looking at these facts and still arguing that (a) this is all Albanese’s fault and (b) reforming Australia's migration system is anything other than a long-term, bipartisan issue requiring a long-term, strategic response is wasting our time on dishonest tribal cheerleading and point scoring.

As I said yesterday:

It’s been disappointing but not at all surprising to see such hypocrisy and one-eyed partisanship come to bear in this tragic situation in a way that as you’ve pointed out we didn’t see for the Bondi Westfield stabbing, the Lindt cafe siege, the Christchurch and Port Arthur shootings, or the Bali bombings - events marked by the community and politics getting behind each other and responding in a strong and unified way against extremism.

My 2 cents - this should be the focus of the response to these shootings.

Rather than demonising millions of law abiding, hard working migrant Australians or calling for blanket bans on migration from specific countries, we should be looking at additional legal powers and resources to surveil and crack down on extremist networks within our borders, removing civil liberties, incarcerating and deporting if possible and necessary.

These extremists don’t represent their communities any more than John Bunting or Bevan Spencer Von Einem represents mine.

People like Wissam Haddad with known and proud links to ISIS who have walked the tight rope and tested the tolerance of our legal system for years preaching hatred and violence and influencing members of their community to follow them (including one of the Bondi shooters), while somehow repeatedly just skirting clear of actual prosecution finally had his prayer hall shut down today on a f***ing council planning violation. Is there anything more Australian than that?

 

[kirky]

You’ve criticised family members who have lost their loved ones to the hands of terrorists, if you can’t show compassion and empathy to them based on your political leanings, you’ve got zero.

Say what?

Because they didn’t invite the PM to the funeral? Thats their choice to choose who they want to the funeral. No issue with that at all.

Or are you referring to something else? Like telling the aide to f*** off? Was that a family member?

 

[kirky]

How would I know what the findings will be if we haven't had an inquiry? Are you suggesting Labor will put a finger on the scales of the commission. You need to up your medications.

A Royal Commission with a wide terms of reference has extensive powers to gather evidence, summon witnesses, and compel the production of documents.
You will get detailed factual findings, recommendations, and a comprehensive final report. It should refer matters to authorities for further action.
It will be up to the government to act on the findings.

The pressure will then be on Albo to act.

I’m sorry but do you actually know who sets the terms of reference for a Royal Commission?

Yes, you guessed it, the Government!

It is a pointless exercise given its like a consultancy firm being bought into a business and the outcomes and reports are exactly what the business wanted.

Do a review with government, opposition and cross benches all involved.

 

[kirky]

Hahaha.. posts another load of unmitigated shite from X..
Expects to be taken seriously..

And quoting Julian Lesser from the LNP opposition no less! Gee.. What a surprise he’s having a dig at Albo!.. well I never!

We need a Royal Commission alright!.. into just how shit the LNP coalition have become in the past few years.

How is it that the once great liberal party in this coumty have become a completely unelectable rabble that have chucked all the statemenship norms of putting aside your differences and aligning yourself with government in times of crisis, and instead are reduced to using a terror attack on Australiam soil to try and score cheap political points.

They are a bunch of toes.. lower than c u in the nts.

And you can be guaranteed they are going to overdo it.. they always do as they are talentless morons who the majority of Aussies are awake to nowdays.
Their media backers in the Murdoch papers and Skynews are ignored by the great majority and no longer have the same effect as they did ten years ago.

Too many “chicken little” moments in politics from them over the past decade or so has seen to that.

They are already going overboard and this will probably backfire on them.

Then you had Sussan Ley going bonkers having go at Wong etc.

All Sussan is worried about is her leadership position. She might be appealing to her base and the old farts (mostly baby boomers) but it won’t resonate with the younger cohorts.

Most people are looking forward to Xmas and reckon this issue will dissipate early next year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I’m sorry but do you actually know who sets the terms of reference for a Royal Commission?

Yes, you guessed it, the Government!

It is a pointless exercise given its like a consultancy firm being bought into a business and the outcomes and reports are exactly what the business wanted.

Do a review with government, opposition and cross benches all involved.

Imo, this horrible event, the worst since Port Arthur warrants a Royal Commission.

We need to have an informed discussion about national gun laws, hate speech, role of ASIO, etc... so we can minimise the chances of this occurring again.

We all want a safer community going forward.

https://www.royalcommission.gov.au/about-royal-commissions

 

[kirky]

Well that sums up the whole thing perfectly.

We don’t need guns in the city and you certainly don’t need more than 1/2 if you live in the city.

 

[kirky]

Imo, this horrible event, the worst since Port Arthur warrants a Royal Commission.

We need to have an informed discussion about national gun laws, hate speech, role of ASIO, etc... so we can minimise the chances of this occurring again.

We all want a safer community going forward.

https://www.royalcommission.gov.au/about-royal-commissions

The problem Kane is the government would set the terms of reference.

And it will still probably happen no matter what in the future, when who knows but this won’t be the last time.

Probably 99.9% of the population are law abiding, its the 0.1% we have to worry about. Now technology does help nowadays with monitoring but it still has human involvement and thats where it breaks down.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

They are already going overboard and this will probably backfire on them.

Then you had Sussan Ley going bonkers having go at Wong etc.

All Sussan is worried about is her leadership position. She might be appealing to her base and the old farts (mostly baby boomers) but it won’t resonate with the younger cohorts.

Most people are looking forward to Xmas and reckon this issue will dissipate early next year.

You learn a lot about people in tough times.

If Ley had any clue, she would apologise for this poor personal sledge on Wong.

Now is the time for calm, then working through what needs to be done to minimise the chances of it occurring again.

Many Liberals seem more intent on making this personal & lacking class.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/say-sorry-penny-wong-under-fire-after-pm-booed/news-story/669b960c834483f02e3705c29a61c7ae

 

[Doctor B]

Well that sums up the whole thing perfectly.

We don’t need guns in the city and you certainly don’t need more than 1/2 if you live in the city.

Top 100 – Too Many Guns

This is an interesting website.
Gun ownership in NSW by postcode.
24 postcodes with individual gun ownership over 150, this excludes collectors and dealers.
Ridiculous.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The problem Kane is the government would set the terms of reference.

And it will still probably happen no matter what in the future, when who knows but this won’t be the last time.

Probably 99.9% of the population are law abiding, its the 0.1% we have to worry about. Now technology does help nowadays with monitoring but it still has human involvement and thats where it breaks down.

Then why have Royal Commissions at all?

This is the type of event that they were established for.

There are some major issues imo we need to resolve to reduce the chances of this happening again. This requires a transparent review of gun laws, hare speech & intelligence of radicals.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Top 100 – Too Many Guns

This is an interesting website.
Gun ownership in NSW by postcode.
24 postcodes with individual gun ownership over 150, this excludes collectors and dealers.
Ridiculous.

What if one of these gun owners goes rogue? Need to address this asap so no individual has a massive cache of arms.

 

[kirky]

Then why have Royal Commissions at all?

This is the type of event that they were established for.

There are some major issues imo we need to resolve to reduce the chances of this happening again. This requires a transparent review of gun laws, hare speech & intelligence of radicals.

We have only had 15 Royal Commissions in this century and nearly all under Coalition Governments.

Held in 2001–2020​

1. Royal Commission into HIH Insurance (2001–2003)[6]
2. Royal Commission into the Building and Construction Industry (2001–2003)[6]
3. Royal Commission to Inquire into the Centenary House Lease (2004)[6]
4. Inquiry into certain Australian companies in relation to the UN Oil-For-Food Programme (2005–2006)[6]
5. Equine Influenza Inquiry (2008)[6]
6. Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse (2013–2017)[6][k]
7. Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Program (2013–2014)[6]
8. Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption (2014–2015)[6]
9. Royal Commission into the Child Protection and Youth Detention Systems of the Government of the Northern Territory (2016–2017)[6]
10. Royal Commission into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation and Financial Services Industry (2017–2019)[6]
11. Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety (2018–2021)[6]
12. Royal Commission into Violence, Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of People with Disability (2019–2023)[6]
13. Royal Commission into National Natural Disaster Arrangements (2020)[6]

Held since 2021​

1. Royal Commission into the Robodebt Scheme (2022–2023)[6]
2. Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide (2021–2024)[6]

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Our migration intake structurally doubled during the 2000s under the John Howard LNP government (including a doubling of our permanent migration intake to present day levels). The international student visa program also became uncapped and demand driven.

• https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-20/migration-figures-under-prime-minister-john-howard/9465114

Australia over the years has made no secret of the need for structured immigration .....and unlike our American partners, at least our immigration has been lawful

I'm pretty sure, no-one is against immigration per se ....albeit, with the levels of emotion abounding ....

Given our birthrates are seriously declining, our economy needs immigration

However what is being questioned is:

1. Matching immigration levels to the ability of our infrastructure to be able to handle ......the current level is 80% above our previous peak .....most notably that impacts the most pressing matter of housing (lack thereof) ....but you also need to factor in roads, transport, policing ect

2. The mix of nationalities in the immigration numbers ....this would make for an interesting comparison between the Libs and Labour ?

3. All immigrants generally bring some cultural challenges with them .....which strains policing resources ....most assimilate after a couple of generations.
However it's now evident that large numbers are coming in that hold a rigid idealology that prevents assimilation .....IMO, those numbers need to be proportionately much smaller, and more heavily vetted than currently appears to be the case

Our neighbours are Asian .....and that's where our immigration numbers should be heavily slanted

 

[kirky]

What if one of these gun owners goes rogue? Need to address this asap so no individual has a massive cache of arms.

Not only that but what happens if someone is aware of someone with a stack of guns - they can become a target.

 

[kirky]

Australia over the years has made no secret of the need for structured immigration .....and unlike our American partners, at least our immigration has been lawful

I'm pretty sure, no-one is against immigration per se ....albeit, with the levels of emotion abounding ....

Given our birthrates are seriously declining, our economy needs immigration

However what is being questioned is:

1. Matching immigration levels to the ability of our infrastructure to be able to handle ......the current level is 80% above our previous peak .....most notably that impacts the most pressing matter of housing (lack thereof) ....but you also need to factor in roads, transport, policing ect

2. The mix of nationalities in the immigration numbers ....this would make for an interesting comparison between the Libs and Labour ?

3. All immigrants generally bring some cultural challenges with them .....which strains policing resources ....most assimilate after a couple of generations.
However it's now evident that large numbers are coming in that hold a rigid idealology that prevents assimilation .....IMO, those numbers need to be proportionately much smaller, and more heavily vetted than currently appears to be the case

Our neighbours are Asian .....and that's where our immigration numbers should be heavily slanted

I think you will find most immigrants are currently from India, China, UK, Philippines and Nepal from 2023/2024. Four of those are in Asia.

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-statistics/statistics/country-profiles/profiles#:~:text=The%20countries%20with%20the%20most,Philippines

Lets just deal with facts rather than what we believe.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think you will find most immigrants are currently from India, China, UK, Philippines and Nepal from 2023/2024. Four of those are in Asia.

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-statistics/statistics/country-profiles/profiles#:~:text=The%20countries%20with%20the%20most,Philippines

Lets deal with facts rather than what we believe.

Think you'll find those are 2023 numbers .....almost 2 years old, and not reflecting the largest current influx

 

[kirky]

Think you'll find those are 2023 numbers .....almost 2 years old, and not reflecting the largest current influx

Where do you think where most are coming from now?

This will be enlightening.

And they cover the year to 30th June 2024.

Perhaps this will help you

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/research-and-stats/files/migration-trends-2024-25.pdf

Again this will put to rest the immigration issue once and for all.

 

[kirky]

Oh dear, you can just see 18C coming back and introduced into the parliament and what will the Libs and Sussan Ley then do,

This is from 2014 after Andrew Bolt was found to have violated the Racial Discrimination Act in his description of Aboriginal
People;

“Attorney-General George Brandis has defended the Government's plan to amend a key part of the nation's racial discrimination laws, saying people have "a right to be bigots". The Abbott Government has promised to amend the Racial Discrimination Act by repealing section 18C, which makes it unlawful for someone to publicly "offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate" a person or a group of people." SMH 24 March 2014.

The Coalition do understand that new hate speech laws apply to all races and creeds, not just one section of the population, otherwise it is discrimination.

They will be tying themselves in knots.

And then we have this beauty from Bridget McKenzie the other day -

“To hate Israel is to hate Jews. It's that simple. Chants may seem meaningless on a beautiful summer's day across the Sydney Harbour Bridge, but prime minister, they are antisemitic, they fuel the hate, the Islamic extremism that is in our suburbs of our cities".

I’m sorry but one can hate Israel but not the Jews. Israel and Jews are not the same. It is not antisemitism to hate Israel (given what Bibi is doing in Gaza).


Well I’ll put it simply, the Coalition might win back Wentworth (largest % of Jews in Sydney and where Bondi Beach is) but they won’t win back Western Sydney with these over the top rants.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Oh dear, you can just see 18C coming back and introduced into the parliament and what will the Libs and Sussan Ley then do,

This is from 2014 after Andrew Bolt was found to have violated the Racial Discrimination Act in his description of Aboriginal
People;

“Attorney-General George Brandis has defended the Government's plan to amend a key part of the nation's racial discrimination laws, saying people have "a right to be bigots". The Abbott Government has promised to amend the Racial Discrimination Act by repealing section 18C, which makes it unlawful for someone to publicly "offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate" a person or a group of people." SMH 24 March 2014.

The Coalition do understand that new hate speech laws apply to all races and creeds, not just one section of the population, otherwise it is discrimination.

They will be tying themselves in knots.

And then we have this beauty from Bridget McKenzie the other day -

“To hate Israel is to hate Jews. It's that simple. Chants may seem meaningless on a beautiful summer's day across the Sydney Harbour Bridge, but prime minister, they are antisemitic, they fuel the hate, the Islamic extremism that is in our suburbs of our cities".

I’m sorry but one can hate Israel but not the Jews. Israel and Jews are not the same. It is not antisemitism to hate Israel (given what Bibi is doing in Gaza).


Well I’ll put it simply, the Coalition might win back Wentworth (largest % of Jews in Sydney and where Bondi Beach is) but they won’t win back Western Sydney with these over the top rants.

I don't think its even hate that people feel towards Israel.. it’s more just complete and utter disgust that they feel.
And not toward Israel as a whole..

Just towards the hard right wing BN Lukid government and its backers for the hate, genocide and land stealing it has been undertaking for a long time.

And many Israeli’s themselves hold these very same views of disgust towards their government.

And the very same disgust is also directed at the atrocious, murderous and violent actions of the hard right wing religious extremists of Hamas and their backers.. with many Palestinian’s holding these views of disgust against their country’s current “leadership”.

Both sides are a complete and utter disgrace.

Holding these views towards the Israeli government isn’t anti-semitism and some sort of hatred towards Jews.. just as holding these same views of disgust towards Hamas isn't some form of Islamophobia and hatred towards Palestinians.

But.. Thats what the leaderships of both these sides and their backers want to paint it as because it allows them to fire up (and keep fired up) their base of supporters and continue on with their genocidal holy war.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Oh dear, you can just see 18C coming back and introduced into the parliament and what will the Libs and Sussan Ley then do,

This is from 2014 after Andrew Bolt was found to have violated the Racial Discrimination Act in his description of Aboriginal
People;

“Attorney-General George Brandis has defended the Government's plan to amend a key part of the nation's racial discrimination laws, saying people have "a right to be bigots". The Abbott Government has promised to amend the Racial Discrimination Act by repealing section 18C, which makes it unlawful for someone to publicly "offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate" a person or a group of people." SMH 24 March 2014.

The Coalition do understand that new hate speech laws apply to all races and creeds, not just one section of the population, otherwise it is discrimination.

They will be tying themselves in knots

This is the best part about all of this.

When the dust settles in the new year… Labor will no doubt see this as a massive opportunity to finally bring in much tougher hate speech laws. Which won’t only give greater powers to stop antisemitic hate speech and actions.. but all racist speech and all bigoted hate speech towards minority groups such as our LGBTIQ communities.

And the opposition, after squealing like stuck pigs about antisemitism based hate speech needing to be stopped, will be cornered.

They will look like completely hypocritical fxxkwits if they try and argue that they only want laws that focus solely on the hate speech of antisemitism and not against ALL forms of hate speech.

The changes to 18c that Labor have wanted for a very long time and that have been opposed by the LNP and some of their religious backers (who fear that any changes would mean they would fall foul of the law when they dribble their racist and anti-LGBTIQ hate speech nonsense) will be enacted.

Racist and homophobic human trash like Margaret Court will find themselves in all sorts of bother for their hate speech.

Ol Izzy folau wont be able to stand at his pulpit spewing forth his ignorant homophobic nonsense.

Police will finally have the powers to silence that piece of vile, antisemitic and hateful trash Wisam Haddad.

 

[adelaidecrows]

This is the best part about all of this.

When the dust settles in the new year… Labor will no doubt see this as a massive opportunity to finally bring in much tougher hate speech laws. Which won’t only give greater powers to stop antisemitic hate speech and actions.. but all racist speech and all bigoted hate speech towards minority groups such as our LGBTIQ communities.

And the opposition, after squealing like stuck pigs about antisemitism based hate speech needing to be stopped, will be cornered.

They will look like completely hypocritical fxxkwits if they try and argue that they only want laws that focus solely on the hate speech of antisemitism and not against ALL forms of hate speech.

The changes to 18c that Labor have wanted for a very long time and that have been opposed by the LNP and some of their religious backers (who fear that any changes would mean they would fall foul of the law when they dribble their racist and anti-LGBTIQ hate speech nonsense) will be enacted.

Racist and homophobic human trash like Margaret Court will find themselves in all sorts of bother for their hate speech.

Ol Izzy folau wont be able to stand at his pulpit spewing forth his ignorant homophobic nonsense.

Police will finally have the powers to silence that piece of vile, antisemitic and hateful trash Wisam Haddad.

UK have those powers already and they are arresting people for year old tweets and likes of facebook posts of trivial views that merely might offend a minority group.

 

[Mutineer]