Bachar Houli to the Tigers

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

I do not want any fringe players from other clubs - it completely defeats the purpose of rebuilding.

I may be totally off the mark but in my opinion Houli would simply become a fringe player at Punt Road - what's the point?

He'd pull on the Coburg jumper, and it's fairly likely that he'd remain there for the majority of the season.

We must dispense with our obvious fringe players, and if we get extremely lucky we may get a few late picks in return. None of them justify early picks.

P.S - I don't want Andrew Walker either!

 

[beev]

how do we know that houli will even be on essendons list next year rumours that he will be delisted !

how do we know that richmond are even intrested in a player that cant even get a game in the team that finished 14th with the worst midfield in the league !

at the moment houli & polo,thomson,hislop,mcmahon are all in the same position all will be very lucky to get a gig next year

personally i wouldnt trade for him, psd or rookie list if possible
pick upgrade of 20 spots in a draft where the first 40 odd players are quality from respected watchers would be madness & i cant see it happening

houli has alot of faults & i would prefer mathew white

What rumours? Care to elaborate on were you got this from. Anyone can say they heard a rumour and put it to anything.

I explained why he wasn't getting a game, read my post.

 

[Vitriol]

I do not want any fringe players from other clubs - it completely defeats the purpose of rebuilding.

I don't see the problem getting fringe players if they are young, Mitch Farmer was a fringe player at port and came in played alot and went alright. Its these type of guys im happy to see being looked at

If you want a best 22 player you have to pay for them, Houli i would expect would come cheap if he has cracked it with Essendon and wants out

As for people saying he is a spud i would disagree...imo he is a young kid with potential who hasn't been given a fair go and i would be happy to see him given a chance in yellow and black

 

[THE_GUN]

What rumours? Care to elaborate on were you got this from. Anyone can say they heard a rumour and put it to anything.

I explained why he wasn't getting a game, read my post.

if he isnt getting games in a weak essendon midfield , i cant see him getting a game ahead of cotchin,delidio,martin,tuck,jackson,foley,collins,edwards,connors,tambling

would only be a fringe player playing at coburg !

 

[Varicho]

I don't see the problem getting fringe players if they are young, Mitch Farmer was a fringe player at port and came in played alot and went alright. Its these type of guys im happy to see being looked at

If you want a best 22 player you have to pay for them, Houli i would expect would come cheap if he has cracked it with Essendon and wants out

As for people saying he is a spud i would disagree...imo he is a young kid with potential who hasn't been given a fair go and i would be happy to see him given a chance in yellow and black

I completely agree. How many fringe players have blossomed at other clubs. He's young and has a wicked left foot - and I have Faith in our coaches (for the first time in 25 years!) If hardwick sees something in him, let's get him.

 

[bombersaway]

The thing is some players and coaches clash.... Bacha can play and he's got a bigger future than tambling white polo who ever other duds u named all those blokes have had their crack houli is still young.... Personaly I hope he stays but I'm not liking he's chances

 

[brjafi]

stupid suggestins on this thread

im going to jump through your monitors and punch you all in the head

 

[7zark7]

why would you want our garbage ! because they are better than half your list.

Yeah thats right. Where did you finish again? Below us? Yet our list is full of hacks that managed to beat you this year.

I am sick of hearing Melbourne and Richmond banging on about how good they are. FFS you didn't even make the finals. We didn't either, we are coachless and had the worst season imaginable but you don't see us banging on about how good we are.

 

[THE_GUN]

Yeah thats right. Where did you finish again? Below us? Yet our list is full of hacks that managed to beat you this year.

I am sick of hearing Melbourne and Richmond banging on about how good they are. FFS you didn't even make the finals. We didn't either, we are coachless and had the worst season imaginable but you don't see us banging on about how good we are.

this is GOLD , i might actually keep this lol !!

your midfield is full of hacks,the diffrence is melbourne & richmond are on the way UP your team is in decline & the chances are essendon are very likely to be wooden spooners next year.

jobe cant do everything on his own

 

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

I don't see the problem getting fringe players if they are young, Mitch Farmer was a fringe player at port and came in played alot and went alright. Its these type of guys im happy to see being looked at

If you want a best 22 player you have to pay for them, Houli i would expect would come cheap if he has cracked it with Essendon and wants out

As for people saying he is a spud i would disagree...imo he is a young kid with potential who hasn't been given a fair go and i would be happy to see him given a chance in yellow and black

I know what your saying Vit, age is a factor, but I just don't see the point cutting players only to replace them with players of similar attributes.
Farmer has been ok at best but I certainly wouldn't consider it a recruiting coup.

 

[bigrayohall20]

Yeah thats right. Where did you finish again? Below us? Yet our list is full of hacks that managed to beat you this year.

I am sick of hearing Melbourne and Richmond banging on about how good they are. FFS you didn't even make the finals. We didn't either, we are coachless and had the worst season imaginable but you don't see us banging on about how good we are.

Probably had something to do with the 11 blokes that debut for us this year.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

I don't see the problem getting fringe players if they are young, Mitch Farmer was a fringe player at port and came in played alot and went alright. Its these type of guys im happy to see being looked at

If you want a best 22 player you have to pay for them, Houli i would expect would come cheap if he has cracked it with Essendon and wants out

As for people saying he is a spud i would disagree...imo he is a young kid with potential who hasn't been given a fair go and i would be happy to see him given a chance in yellow and black

In theory, I do agree with this. The thing that worries me in the case of Houli, is that he is already 22yo. If he were 20, I'd not have a problem with having a look at him, assuming we were to get him for peanuts. Only one year age difference in Houli and Farmer, but we picked Farmer up last year, when he was only 20ish.

Have seen some glimpses of Houli where he looks ok, but I don't know how much upside there is to him.

Personally, I'd prefer to pass, and take our chances with an unknown kid.

If we do decide to take him, I'll give the recruiters the benefit of the doubt and assume they have him suited to a specific role.

 

[tugga]

Yeah thats right. Where did you finish again? Below us? Yet our list is full of hacks that managed to beat you this year.

I am sick of hearing Melbourne and Richmond banging on about how good they are. FFS you didn't even make the finals. We didn't either, we are coachless and had the worst season imaginable but you don't see us banging on about how good we are.

Well let's see. Knights got rid of two champions in Lloyd and Lucas and then thought it was wise to get Shotgun Williams on a three-year deal.
Also, the club thought it was wise to sign a washed up hack in McVeigh for two years, an injury-prone kid in Gumbleton and unfulfilled headcase in Reimers and then sack the coach a few days later. Wonder what the new coach thinks of that.
Add to that your midfield is slow and unskilled.
Add to that your best player is 35 years old.
Add to that Richmond beat Essendon pretty much whenever we wanted prior to this year so I guess that makes us better all those years does it?
You guys may as well just jump overboard with a slab of concrete. You'll be down the bottom for quite some time.

 

[mayhem20202]

Well, why would Essendon want Polo, Tambling or White? Have a look at what biggriff said, he's talking some sense.



You can't just suggest players without thinking if they would be of any value to the other teams list. And i quote: "don't you think!"

How do we no that he wants to leave. You can't take everything you read on BigFooty as Gospel. FFS i've read that Bachar is going to Freo, Western Bulldogs, Collingwood.

I'd be very surprised if Bachar is delisted. He got a few games early, and it was clear he hadn't improved his hardness or defensive mindset so he was sent to the VFL. He worked on those deficencies and got a recall. And FWIW, he wasn't dropped after the carlton game, he had a knee injury.

I like the way this character says that Houli is a required player and we won't give him away for nothing, then, in his next post, he says that he is weak and has no defensive mindset, but, we didn't drop him, he got injured before we got the chance to drop him.

The reality is guys, no one at Essendon really knows how good Houli is, because we never got the chance to see him consistently. If he wants it, and you guys want him, I think it will be one of those Houli for whatever pick you are willing to give up type deals, as he has been screwed by the previous coach, the Essendon admin wouldn't want to pay him much, can't guarantee him a game, so, would probably see it in everyone's best interests to do the right thing by him and help him move on to a club where he will get a fresh start.

As for whether he would get a game for you guys or not, and whether or not he would add any value, no Essendon supporter can actually comment, as it is all just speculation. No one has seen enough of him at AFL level to know for sure.

 

[Spluff]

Either we get him for basically nothing or I don't want him. He's got talent but if he can't crack it with the Bombers we're obviously not going to give anything up for him.

Probably had something to do with the 11 blokes that debut for us this year.

13, actually.

 

[The RFC]

I'd rather keep White -he is still a handy player; speedy and skillful when he's on.

It's not worth the risk in trading Houli who barely scraped together a handful of games in VERY ordinary bummers team.

If they must off load him, then they can have:
McMahon & Thompson
as well as contact details for Cam Howat, Ray Hall and Kanye Pettifer

 

[mayhem20202]

this is GOLD , i might actually keep this lol !!

your midfield is full of hacks,the diffrence is melbourne & richmond are on the way UP your team is in decline & the chances are essendon are very likely to be wooden spooners next year.

jobe cant do everything on his own

We have Pears, Hooker, Carlisle, Hurley, Gumbleton and Carlisle who are all promising KPP that are under the age of 22. We have Melksham and Colyer who are promising 18 year old mids. The main difference between Essendon and Richmond/Melbourne is that we are starting our resurgance with KPP, you guys are doing it with mids. The mids produce earlier. I do see what you are saying though. Because we have gradually slipped down the ladder, and have no young mids, it appears we are trying to hang on to past glory, however, as soon as we recruit 3 or 4 good young mids (which both Richmond and Melbourne have shown can be done in as small a period as 2 drafts), we should be choc full of 50 - 80 game KPPs who are ready to have an impact.

Well let's see. Knights got rid of two champions in Lloyd and Lucas and then thought it was wise to get Shotgun Williams on a three-year deal.
Also, the club thought it was wise to sign a washed up hack in McVeigh for two years, an injury-prone kid in Gumbleton and unfulfilled headcase in Reimers and then sack the coach a few days later. Wonder what the new coach thinks of that.
Add to that your midfield is slow and unskilled.
Add to that your best player is 35 years old.
Add to that Richmond beat Essendon pretty much whenever we wanted prior to this year so I guess that makes us better all those years does it?
You guys may as well just jump overboard with a slab of concrete. You'll be down the bottom for quite some time.

McVeigh is worthy of his spot in the side, Reimers is a talented nutter, who will more than likely turn into nothing, Gumbleton showed a hell of a lot this year, playing forward on his own half the time, with a midfield that can not kick. He will be a good player. Our midfield is terrible with it's disposal, but, I think you will see that be the main recruiting area in the next few years, and realistically, as soon as our mids are right to go (as per above comment), we will be set.

 

[Vitriol]

I know what your saying Vit, age is a factor, but I just don't see the point cutting players only to replace them with players of similar attributes.
Farmer has been ok at best but I certainly wouldn't consider it a recruiting coup.

I don't disagree, i guess it comes down to whether or not we rate him the same, he could turn out to be a dud but i think with Houli there is a good chance he could come good

For the right price I would be happy to take the punt on him

 

[dean33]

always rated this kid, watched him progress through the jets,thought he wasnt given much of a go at Esendon or Knights didnt rate him, wouldnt be surprised straight swap for Matt White

Why would we trade out White who is an outside player with speed who can run the lines which hardwick has said we'll be targetting in the draft for a accumulater of the pill who is slow?

Maybe a polo I can see as he is of no value however white has shown a bit and has speed, can't be slow in todays game unless you are a super skiller player which i don't think houli is.

As for giving away draft picks for him.... no thanks.

 

[THE_GUN]

We have Pears, Hooker, Carlisle, Hurley, Gumbleton and Carlisle who are all promising KPP that are under the age of 22. We have Melksham and Colyer who are promising 18 year old mids. The main difference between Essendon and Richmond/Melbourne is that we are starting our resurgance with KPP, you guys are doing it with mids. The mids produce earlier. I do see what you are saying though. Because we have gradually slipped down the ladder, and have no young mids, it appears we are trying to hang on to past glory, however, as soon as we recruit 3 or 4 good young mids (which both Richmond and Melbourne have shown can be done in as small a period as 2 drafts), we should be choc full of 50 - 80 game KPPs who are ready to have an impact.

hurley & pears are the ones i like gumbleton has shown a little this year but very injury prone hope he makes it for you guys hooker im not a huge fan off myself & carlisle (which you have named twice) who knows !!

but im sure that Richmonds kpp would stack up very favourably against essendons.

Riewoldt,post,astbury,vickery,griffiths,gourdis,rance,thurstfield,mguanne,moore
thats 10 kpp that are 24 or younger

 

[Themi#9]

If this is true I would be wrapped! Rated him from day one, hardwick will fix him right up, knights didn't give him a chance to perform, if he makes his way to tigerland he will be a gem! How old is he anyway?

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

I really rate Carlisle...wanted us to take him at Griffith's pick...might be a bit unspectacular and will probably never have a jawdropping highlight reel, but looks an extremely smart player, reliable kick and great hands...would've been a great foil for Riewoldt....players like Carlisle don't win awards, but they do help win games...

 

[Toadvine]

You forgot Grimes GUN.

 

[Maroo]

but im sure that Richmonds kpp would stack up very favourably against essendons.

Riewoldt,post,astbury,vickery,griffiths,gourdis,rance,thurstfield,mguanne,moore
thats 10 kpp that are 24 or younger

Moore is 26....

 

[telsor]

Shouldn't factor in the decision, but....


Given his religion, and that we already have links to Coburg, this could help bring some of the islamic community into supporting the Tiges...