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[Spuddigger]

After seeing over the years about back to back flags, i,ves been telling fellow Eagles fan s not to get your rocks off ! Other than Hawthorn there, is know other club in this street. Tonight,s game was a debacle and a wake up call. Both sides played in slippery conditions . We have to understand that they are coming to get us !

 

[Benny78]

Between 2012-2015 there were really no good teams. Geelong/Collingwood/St Kilda all dropping off.

West Coast are competing in an era with Collingwood, Richmond and Geelong (with Danger). It's not a free ride. Hawthorn basically got Grand Final opposition like Richmond did with Adelaide but 3 times in a row.

It's also arguable there have been no great teams since 2012 ongoing. The 2 3peat sides have relied more on the club they're facing on the day being terrible, rather than being best club each of those years. Brisbane got the Colliwobbles twice. Whereas Geelong and West Coast only got them once.

 

[blitzer]

In this current era there are no genuinely dominant sides and there haven't been for quite a few years. Its about putting together a good side, with a modern/cutting edge gameplan, winning 15+ H&A games and catching fire at right time of year. I still see a top 4 finish as a very strong indicator despite the occasional outlier like the Dogs.

Eagles could still go back to back but honestly they seem less likely to do so than Richmond were last year.

 

[Brick Loosener]

After seeing over the years about back to back flags, i,ves been telling fellow Eagles fan s not to get your rocks off ! Other than Hawthorn there, is know other club in this street. Tonight,s game was a debacle and a wake up call. Both sides played in slippery conditions . We have to understand that they are coming to get us !

Tiges went back to back 2017/18

 

[Scotland]

We were flag favourites about 6 hours ago.

 

[Topkent]

Between 2012-2015 there were really no good teams. Geelong/Collingwood/St Kilda all dropping off.

West Coast are competing in an era with Collingwood, Richmond and Geelong (with Danger). It's not a free ride. Hawthorn basically got Grand Final opposition like Richmond did with Adelaide but 3 times in a row.

It's also arguable there have been no great teams since 2012 ongoing. The 2 3peat sides have relied more on the club they're facing on the day being terrible, rather than being best club each of those years. Brisbane got the Colliwobbles twice. Whereas Geelong and West Coast only got them once.

It's extremely embarassing you consider Geelong strong opposition yet dismiss Adelaide Freo and Sydney who have all made more GFs than the cats recently

 

[halalsnackpack]

Between 2012-2015 there were really no good teams. Geelong/Collingwood/St Kilda all dropping off.

West Coast are competing in an era with Collingwood, Richmond and Geelong (with Danger). It's not a free ride. Hawthorn basically got Grand Final opposition like Richmond did with Adelaide but 3 times in a row.

It's also arguable there have been no great teams since 2012 ongoing. The 2 3peat sides have relied more on the club they're facing on the day being terrible, rather than being best club each of those years. Brisbane got the Colliwobbles twice. Whereas Geelong and West Coast only got them once.

The competition was way stronger back in that era. It has been all over the place since 2016. This year is extremely open, you've got a handful of good, but far from unbeatable teams in WC, Richmond, Collingwood, Geelong, GWS and maybe Essendon and then you can throw a blanket over the rest on any given day. Hence why tipping is impossible.

 

[H2F]

Fremantle 2013 at the peak of Lyon’s powers were favourites against the Hawks

Sydney in 2014 were the shortest favourite odds in over a decade in betting agencies

West Coast 2015 were the only team we went into with the betting odds in our favour.

What a BS thread. On our way to our three peat we had to achieve things like:

- Beating Freo in Freo in the prelim in 2015

- Beating Geelong when 26 points down in the prelim at 3/4 time to win against a Sydney that was described as imbeatable

- Beating Freo in 2013 against a Ross Lyon team that beat up on everyone all year until that day

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Fremantle 2013 at the peak of Lyon’s powers were favourites against the Hawks

Sydney in 2014 were the shortest favourite odds in over a decade in betting agencies

West Coast 2015 were the only team we went into with the betting odds in our favour.

What a BS thread. On our way to our three peat we had to achieve things like:

- Beating Freo in Freo in the prelim in 2015

- Beating Geelong when 26 points down in the prelim at 3/4 time to win against a Sydney that was described as imbeatable

- Beating Freo in 2013 against a Ross Lyon team that beat up on everyone all year until that day

I think the OP was just having a melt after a bad loss. It was others that tried to trash your repeat.
Do you care? If your club wins three flags in a row, surely you can laugh in the face of trolls.

 

[juss]

At the start of the year I thought West Coast could go back to back, but it was more unlikely than likely. That's just the nature of the current even competition.

I still feel the same, they are still a top contender and a great side, but all it takes is to be a little off in a final, or have another contender hit peak form in September and any of the top 6 finalists could probably win it.

 

[CrowInFiji]

The competition was way stronger back in that era. It has been all over the place since 2016. This year is extremely open, you've got a handful of good, but far from unbeatable teams in WC, Richmond, Collingwood, Geelong, GWS and maybe Essendon and then you can throw a blanket over the rest on any given day. Hence why tipping is impossible.

Okay, just stop. You know absolutely nothing if you think the competition is stronger because there are 1 or 2 'top' teams, a chasing pack and the rest as was the vogue 'back then'.

That's a weaker competition, it just had a couple of stronger teams.

In the last 3 Years we have had the privilege of seeing a much more even competition. That's strength.

**** your tipping - this is an infinitely more exciting league than 8 years ago.

You might want to consider getting on the floor and start searching for a clue because you are fresh out.

 

[bigfarter]

Fremantle 2013 at the peak of Lyon’s powers were favourites against the Hawks

Sydney in 2014 were the shortest favourite odds in over a decade in betting agencies

West Coast 2015 were the only team we went into with the betting odds in our favour.

What a BS thread. On our way to our three peat we had to achieve things like:

- Beating Freo in Freo in the prelim in 2015

- Beating Geelong when 26 points down in the prelim at 3/4 time to win against a Sydney that was described as imbeatable

- Beating Freo in 2013 against a Ross Lyon team that beat up on everyone all year until that day

I have no great love for Hawthorn but anybody trying to rewrite history re: the threepeat is being disingenuous or stupid. Sydney were absolutely favourites in that 2014 match. Freo were probably even money - people (rightfully) shit on Ross Lyon for his defensive style but that team was well-drilled and very hard to beat that year, just like St. Kilda in 2009/10. West Coast was an easier game but, again, that was a case of them shitting the bed as opposed to Bradburying their way into a Grand Final.

 

[Coaster2012]

There's no way to predict anything atm. Essendon or Bulldogs will probably end up winning it. It's such a long season that there's no point even making predictions till August. Teams are amazing 1 week and shithouse the next right now.

 

[fnerd]

Fremantle 2013 at the peak of Lyon’s powers were favourites against the Hawks

Beating Freo in 2013 against a Ross Lyon team that beat up on everyone all year until that day

FMD how many times do you hawthorn muppets want to try to”re invent” history with regards to who was favourite that day to suit your narrative that it was some sort of backs to the wall win for your club??
http://www.bet-au.com/aussie-rules/afl-odds-2013-premiership-and-grand-final-betting.htm
Verdict
There is no denying that Hawthorn has been the best side all year, and finishing first after the home and away season says as much. Although, the key question leading into the match will be whether or not the Hawks feel refreshed after their bruising encounter against the Cats, and whether or not the pain of their 2012 Grand Final defeat to the Swans will drive them further this Saturday.
On the other hand, will Fremantle’s first ever Grand Final appearance over-awe the Dockers’ side? Will the opportunity to claim its first ever premiership after 18 years in the AFL drive the Dockers further than the Hawks’ pain of letting an opportunity slip last year? Only time will tell.
Hawthorn has not had to withstand the Fremantle pressure since round four of this season, and there is no doubt the Dockers are a much-improved side since then, as evidenced last week with their uncanny ability to pressure the Swans into submission.
It is sure to be a battle of game-plans, and whoever can dictate the play in this respect should walk away with the cup on Saturday. If the Dockers find themselves in front at three quarter time through constant pressuring of the Hawks, the outside odds offered could prove to pay handsomely with Fremantle being the masters of closing down matches.
Although, in what is Hawthorn’s second Grand Final in a row, it would be a terrible waste of what has been a promising era at the Hawks if they are to let this week’s opportunity slip. A second premiership under the Clarkson regime would be just-reward for narrowly missing out on a Grand Final in 2011, and vindication for 2012’s blunder.
The likes of Hodge, Lewis, Roughead, Franklin, Birchall, Mitchell, Sewell, and Burgoyne to name a few have all experienced the heat of Grand Final battle before which may give them an edge over the Fremantle side new to the last Saturday in September caper.
The versatility of Franklin, Roughead, and Hale up forward and through the midfield, coupled with the explosive speed of Rioli and Bradley Hill on the wide expanses of the MCG may well be enough to land Hawthorn its 11th premiership and second flag in six years.
Hawthorn has been the best side all year, and looks bound to engrave its name for the 11th time into footy’s illustrious folklore at the home of football, the MCG, on Saturday
Best Bets for the 2013 Grand Final
Although Hawthorn remain heavy favourites to win the upcoming encounter, the bookmakers are obviously wary of Fremantle's ability to cause an upset. The Hawks' shocking 2012 Grand Final loss is playing on the minds of many, ensuring there's little value in betting on an outright winner.

 

[treefingers]

Between 2012-2015 there were really no good teams.

lmao

 

[mcgarnacle]

The competition was way stronger back in that era. It has been all over the place since 2016. This year is extremely open, you've got a handful of good, but far from unbeatable teams in WC, Richmond, Collingwood, Geelong, GWS and maybe Essendon and then you can throw a blanket over the rest on any given day. Hence why tipping is impossible.

An open comp is a strong competitive comp! I don't understand how folks try to reason that 3 good teams and the rest out of contention translates into a strong competition. It was a skewed comp and it was that way due to the concessions Gold Coast and Western Sydney received making it difficult for those teams without the necessary cattle any opportunity to improve.

Many of those players the expansion clubs picked up have been organically distributed to other clubs, and the draft is doing it's job again. It is now a strong competition.

 

[Gavin Excell]

FMD how many times do you hawthorn muppets want to try to”re invent” history with regards to who was favourite that day to suit your narrative that it was some sort of backs to the wall win for your club??
http://www.bet-au.com/aussie-rules/afl-odds-2013-premiership-and-grand-final-betting.htm
Verdict
There is no denying that Hawthorn has been the best side all year, and finishing first after the home and away season says as much. Although, the key question leading into the match will be whether or not the Hawks feel refreshed after their bruising encounter against the Cats, and whether or not the pain of their 2012 Grand Final defeat to the Swans will drive them further this Saturday.
On the other hand, will Fremantle’s first ever Grand Final appearance over-awe the Dockers’ side? Will the opportunity to claim its first ever premiership after 18 years in the AFL drive the Dockers further than the Hawks’ pain of letting an opportunity slip last year? Only time will tell.
Hawthorn has not had to withstand the Fremantle pressure since round four of this season, and there is no doubt the Dockers are a much-improved side since then, as evidenced last week with their uncanny ability to pressure the Swans into submission.
It is sure to be a battle of game-plans, and whoever can dictate the play in this respect should walk away with the cup on Saturday. If the Dockers find themselves in front at three quarter time through constant pressuring of the Hawks, the outside odds offered could prove to pay handsomely with Fremantle being the masters of closing down matches.
Although, in what is Hawthorn’s second Grand Final in a row, it would be a terrible waste of what has been a promising era at the Hawks if they are to let this week’s opportunity slip. A second premiership under the Clarkson regime would be just-reward for narrowly missing out on a Grand Final in 2011, and vindication for 2012’s blunder.
The likes of Hodge, Lewis, Roughead, Franklin, Birchall, Mitchell, Sewell, and Burgoyne to name a few have all experienced the heat of Grand Final battle before which may give them an edge over the Fremantle side new to the last Saturday in September caper.
The versatility of Franklin, Roughead, and Hale up forward and through the midfield, coupled with the explosive speed of Rioli and Bradley Hill on the wide expanses of the MCG may well be enough to land Hawthorn its 11th premiership and second flag in six years.
Hawthorn has been the best side all year, and looks bound to engrave its name for the 11th time into footy’s illustrious folklore at the home of football, the MCG, on Saturday
Best Bets for the 2013 Grand Final
Although Hawthorn remain heavy favourites to win the upcoming encounter, the bookmakers are obviously wary of Fremantle's ability to cause an upset. The Hawks' shocking 2012 Grand Final loss is playing on the minds of many, ensuring there's little value in betting on an outright winner.

I know ive corrected them many times

They seem to revel in this fantasy they were underdogs

 

[Benny78]

lmao

Well aside form Hawthorn. Hawthorn were the only good team

 

[00Stinger]

We were flag favourites about 6 hours ago.

And still are.

 

[Scotland]

And still are.

Woo. Go team.

 

[HTT]

An open comp is a strong competitive comp! I don't understand how folks try to reason that 3 good teams and the rest out of contention translates into a strong competition. It was a skewed comp and it was that way due to the concessions Gold Coast and Western Sydney received making it difficult for those teams without the necessary cattle any opportunity to improve.

Many of those players the expansion clubs picked up have been organically distributed to other clubs, and the draft is doing it's job again. It is now a strong competition.

I advise anyone who thinks the competition was stronger a decade ago to go watch Richmond v Melbourne in 2009. If Geelong and St Kilda that year would beat the current top sides by 10 goals, Carlton now would beat us and Melbourne from that year by 30 goals.

 

[WilloTree]

Fremantle 2013 at the peak of Lyon’s powers were favourites against the Hawks

That's not correct.


Team
Hawthorn 1.68
Fremantle 2.25

Best Bets for the 2013 Grand Final

Although Hawthorn remain heavy favourites to win the upcoming encounter, the bookmakers are obviously wary of Fremantle's ability to cause an upset. The Hawks' shocking 2012 Grand Final loss is playing on the minds of many, ensuring there's little value in betting on an outright winner.


Anyway, surely one loss doesn't effect West Coast's chances for back to back. I've still got 'em as favourites.

 

[halalsnackpack]

Okay, just stop. You know absolutely nothing if you think the competition is stronger because there are 1 or 2 'top' teams, a chasing pack and the rest as was the vogue 'back then'.

That's a weaker competition, it just had a couple of stronger teams.

In the last 3 Years we have had the privilege of seeing a much more even competition. That's strength.

**** your tipping - this is an infinitely more exciting league than 8 years ago.

You might want to consider getting on the floor and start searching for a clue because you are fresh out.

Who hurt you flog? Yes it's definitely more exciting this year due to being more even but I think the standard of football among the top sides was better back then.

 

[Duskfire]

Back to back is hard and unlikely, which is why I always wonder why the team that just won the Grand Final tend to be favourites when it’s more likely they won’t win it.

Teams have had an entire season to study and focus on the winning team and it makes it so much harder. Hardwick realised this after last year and has made efforts to tweak the team.

Hawthorn and Brisbane were just very very good teams headed by very good coaches. Was there some lucky involved? For sure, but there is for all flag winners.

 

[Black Stripe]

I advise anyone who thinks the competition was stronger a decade ago to go watch Richmond v Melbourne in 2009. If Geelong and St Kilda that year would beat the current top sides by 10 goals, Carlton now would beat us and Melbourne from that year by 30 goals.

The competition was at its strongest from 2007 until 2011 and has been weak ever since.