Bailey

[unstable punt]

Is a great orator and seemingly thinker but we need a David Parkin or Dennis Pagan hard man out there telling these blokes whats up and sceaming obscenities at them and telling them to their face what the fcuks going on. All Bailey doesi s give them the weekend off to "think about it" WHAT THE"

 

[master bate]

Yeah cause Pagan showed how effective that tactic was in rebuilding the blues.

Dean Bailey to me is not a soft coach. He's just a coach who has enough brains to realise that a public berating does nothing positive. We were reasonably soft on Friday but certainly not as bad as QB and all year I'd say we have been okay in that area. The thing that stuffed us up was the players lost all confidence in each other in the 3rd term and just went to water.

 

[Cup Man]

I've got confidence in Bailey. The drill serageant thing is a thing of the past.

 

[turtz]

I've got confidence in Bailey. The drill serageant thing is a thing of the past.

completely agree. I think he will prove to be brilliant.... in time. You can't make boys be men until they are. We have a young core that need time to develop!

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

He is a teacher, whether he is a motivator is hard to tell from the outside because he isn't one to rant. Bomber Thompson and Roos do alright without ranting. I like him, how would we know if he can coach apart from the moves he makes. On field results aren't a fair assessment at this stage.

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

If we come bottom next year I will start to turn, 16th was always the favourite for 09. Our last two and a half matches have probably been our worst for the season, hopefully it is just a mid season slump and it will pick up a little in the coming weeks.

 

[sledbomber]

Is a great orator and seemingly thinker but we need a David Parkin or Dennis Pagan hard man out there telling these blokes whats up and sceaming obscenities at them and telling them to their face what the fcuks going on. All Bailey doesi s give them the weekend off to "think about it" WHAT THE"

Bailey needs to remain patient. He is teaching the kids and trying to get them to learn from their mistakes. Their confidence is already very low, I don't think screaming obscenities at them is going to lift their confidence.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Bailey needs to remain patient. He is teaching the kids and trying to get them to learn from their mistakes. Their confidence is already very low, I don't think screaming obscenities at them is going to lift their confidence.

Exactly. We need a Mick Nunan type, which is what Bailey is - not someone in the mould of Robert Walls...

 

[demonfan9]

There aren't many coaches that go off their nuts, and if they do it's not very often.

I'm more than happy with Bailey at this stage.

 

[Mr Controversy]

I agree with you all Bailey has done a very good job. I heard him yesterday on Radio and i thought his views on were the football club was at was spot on. It will take time and probably atleast another couple more years before we get any excitement but were heading on the right track.

 

[Cup Man]

he's going ok. just hope we will give him the time to bring the plan home
just in from OS for a few weeks staying with my brother (hawk supporter), when and where do the boys train now?

 

[unstable punt]

he's going ok. just hope we will give him the time to bring the plan home
just in from OS for a few weeks staying with my brother (hawk supporter), when and where do the boys train now?

OK, most disagree with what l say and l only suppose time will tell, but geez l'm sick of these weak efforts

 

[Amarula]

OK, most disagree with what l say and l only suppose time will tell, but geez l'm sick of these weak efforts

UP, I think everyone's sick of the weak efforts, and that something's got to happen. The only disagreement is about your suggested remedy - ranting & raving from DB.

Every team that's been down and come back over the past 8 years or so (including the Bulldogs, by the way) has gone through a period where they're competitive for three of the quarters but get smashed in the other one. In a way, it's more frustrating than being smashed for 4 quarters, because they show that they can match other teams but just fall away for no apparent reason. But it seems to be a stage on the path.

What I do wonder about is: what signs of progress - REALISTIC signs, not fantasies - would we like to see before season's end to give us some concrete hope that we are seeing actual improvement?

A few examples:

(1) At least one (preferably more!) game of consistent good performance over 4 quarters.
(2) At least one BOG performance by anybody aged 21 and under (I remember one of the commentators on Friday remarking that the Dees were playing 6 teenagers, 5 of whom were in their first season).
(3) Some of those young guns who have been thrown around to try to find their best position and perhaps suffered for it (this might include - at the very least - Stef, Cheney, Grimes, Bennell, probably Dunn, and most of all Morton) finding a position where they perform at a high level for at least 2 or 3 games.
(4) More set plays and in the forward line and the midfield, such as players blocking for each other at stoppages & kick-ins (either way, ours or theirs). I really think that this is why the midfield in particular gets beaten each week. And for that matter ...
(5) The midfield actually winning the contest against their opposition (or at least holding their own), again for at least 2 or 3 games.

 

[Swampfox]

Is a great orator and seemingly thinker but we need a David Parkin or Dennis Pagan hard man out there telling these blokes whats up and sceaming obscenities at them and telling them to their face what the fcuks going on. All Bailey doesi s give them the weekend off to "think about it" WHAT THE"

Times have changed since the tirade methods of past coaches

Roos has proven it can be done

I still think the best method for getting the attention of the player is either dragging , dropping and if that fails delist them

Its that simple

 

[The Great Gabsby]

I have no question Bailey has been a great developer of talent. He has revived many players on the list as well as having kickstarted a few others. I do, however, question his strategical and tactical nous. There have been numerous times where matchups have been all wrong, and the gameplan he is trying to implement still has not taken proper shape.

In saying this, I am willing to give him 1 more year. But any less than 6 wins next year and he's out the door.

 

[Dez!]

ZOMG lets get teh Buckz!1!111!!!1!

 

[ForzaBaysie]

is the coach of the casey scorpions vfl side anygood? its interesting to see that his views on players ar etotally different to Bailey when you look at the vfl round up reports

 

[Ben_Dover]

is a s**t coach

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Nice to see this guy got dealt with quickly, by the look of things

 

[Beard of Nicko]

Bailey is a very impressive guy. Speaks well, has a belief in positivity engendering self belief, confidence and eventually better play. This should not be mistaken for being soft on poor performance.

He can be judged harshly if our team begin to suffer from the arrogance that the talented Melbourne outfits of the late 90's and 2000's suffered from. Remember, we would get out in front of the pack then relax like the hare in the fable. Couldn't thrash teams cos complacency would set in when we got ahead.

Bailey doesn't yet have the cattle but those he does have seem to be trying really hard with what they have got. Tick for that.

 

[Colin Grigson]

Why don't we just bring Neale back. He would've got us to the finals this year...

 

[Colin Grigson]

Bailey doesn't yet have the cattle but those he does have seem to be trying really hard with what they have got. Tick for that.

You would think he was coaching a team as advanced in its development as Geelong the way some people here are going on...

 

[Demon 16]

Ranting at a team that is so young and obviously going to lose alot of games in the coming few years wouldnt be healthy for the players morale, nor the respect of their coach. He's doing the right thing by rotating a range of players through the reserves to create competitive tension.

He's showing good patience and demeanour for mine. And as for game-day tactical nous.. he doesnt exactly have the tools to compete.. yet.

 

[BETON5]

Ranting at a team that is so young and obviously going to lose alot of games in the coming few years wouldnt be healthy for the players morale, nor the respect of their coach. He's doing the right thing by rotating a range of players through the reserves to create competitive tension.

He's showing good patience and demeanour for mine. And as for game-day tactical nous.. he doesnt exactly have the tools to compete.. yet.

Trust me fellas ,bailey is a genious this year is experiment a little with a handful of players to settle a base or spine next year 2010 expect mor agressiveness from dean more wins by close margins and bigger verbal sprays at the huddles.by 2011 dean will be ruthless the whole playing group will respect him greatly as we finish in the bottom half of the 8
THEN MAYBE 2012 were playing off for the flag main dangers,carlton,west coast and essendon.....TIME WILL TELL but i am very confident.

YOUR HEART BEATS TRUE.......

 

[richskee]

Your call, Garry Lyon

Gerard Healy | June 27, 2009 12:00am

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25696371-19742,00.html

• THE coaching clock is ticking for Melbourne coach Dean Bailey and, midway through his contract, the scribes are getting restless after two non-competitive efforts.

It is also ticking for a man who was significant in putting him in the job, Garry Lyon, who may just become his replacement.
It is now or never time for Lyon if he is to coach. If things don't improve significantly at Melbourne next year, other candidates will be canvassed and for the final time Lyon will ask himself the question, before the clock becomes silent, "Do I want to coach?".
As one who has been in that position, you know that eventually the inquiries will stop and Lyon, who is completely entrenched in the footy media, will soon pass into that stage.
At the moment he is considered a genuine candidate despite his reluctance, and without doubt James Brayshaw will be asking him the question re the Kangaroos for 2010.
The focus may be on Nathan Buckley but Brayshaw, I suspect, would target Lyon first. Despite his persuasive powers and their obvious friendship, I suspect he will fail.

The coaching challenge in itself is something I believe Lyon could do without. But coupled with the emotional link and potential historical impact he could have on his own club, it is a challenge he may ultimately be unable to refuse.
Coaching was always part of the grand plan for Lyon, and the timely dismantling of the need to do an apprenticeship before assuming the top job is a hurdle that is now removed.
It had the potential to forever scuttle any thoughts of a transition but with Michael Voss and, soon, Buckley being appointed as senior coaches without a witch's hat apprenticeship, clubs now accept that there are many varying ways of preparing to be a coach.
St Kilda coach Ross Lyon was always considered cutting edge in the football elements, but understrength in the media-marketing department when he started.

Perhaps the reverse is true for Garry. But there's nothing in the G. Lyon CV to suggest he couldn't quickly be up to speed in cutting edge football methodology.
At the moment the Demons are battling and seemingly going nowhere, with more pain to come.

Off the field though they are slowly getting their house in order under Jim Stynes, and are putting in many foundations that remain unseen.
Slowly they are accumulating a list of young players with an eye to the long term.

If they do nothing more than perform to the potential that their draft position implies, then there is a significant upside built in, a comforting thought for any coaching prospect in 2011.
With the first and second best draftees of 2009 likely to be added to the list, and a further draft, albeit diluted, in 2010, whoever gets the Demons job will oversee significant improvement whether they can coach or not.

It's the perfect job for an untried coach - for any coach.
It would be a tough call on Bailey not to be able to see this junior group through as he's doing the hard yards at present.

He maintains tremendous support at the club by those who count, so it remains his job to lose and he has another 18 months to justify an extension.

The past two weeks have hurt him, with the competitiveness of the first 10 weeks missing in the two most high-profile games for the club this year.
Interestingly, the cool, calm exterior that was lauded by sections of the media in Bailey's first year is now being seen as an uninspirational demeanour.

Such is life in the coaching world and Bailey would have been fully aware when he signed on of its fickle nature.
It suggests he'll need more than competitive efforts next year to get another contract, but he remains in the driver's seat.
If Lyon presented himself he would be impossible to ignore and until he definitively rules it out, it remains a shadow over any contact extension.
While it would produce some challenges for his former teammate and long-time friend Jim Stynes, who is a Bailey fan, the Demons president knows a golden opportunity when he sees one and would be pre sented with a significant dilemma.
He would have to double the salary package given to Bailey, but it would be small change considering the potential benefits commercially of having Lyon as coach.
In Melbourne's quest to rebuild the club from the bottom up, by adding new members from the family belt at Casey, Lyon is the perfect fit.

He is in their house already every Thursday night on The Footy Show, and many of the potential new members have grown up with Specky Magee, that fictitious football superstar of Garry's creation.
As Melbourne captain, he was a revered figure with a distinguished career as a player so it's hard to see anything but full support from the more traditional supporter base and sponsors, who would smell the potential upside - OK, they may have to triple the Bailey package.
Having spent three International Rules series with Garry as coach and being in a position to compare his approach and thinking to Leigh Matthews, Kevin Sheedy and Dermott Brereton, I have no doubt he would be a success.
One-on-one he was quickly in tune with individuals and easily built relationships with players.

He sought out advice and was quick to implement anything he respected and quicker to dismiss what he regarded as nonsense.
Most notable was his capacity to make a decision and live with it, based on the evidence in front of him, and to delegate and trust those around him who had a strong feel for a given set of circumstances.
Obviously a devotee of one of the last great hot gospellers, John Northey, Lyon would need to use sparingly his love of a good old-fashioned bake in dealing with players who are under-performing.
He doesn't cope well with losing (which I like), is prone to being grumpy if short on sleep, and would need to become as polished when being questioned as he is when asking them.
All in all, as an untried package he remains as good as Buckley, Voss or James Hird, a package that seems even more valuable when combined with the club they played with - particularly the Demons, who could use the marketability more than most.
If Bailey and the team start winning regularly next year the issue may be closed before it is opened.

If he is not to continue, Lyon would be the perfect replacement to add immediate excitement to the club and give it an edge it has rarely displayed in the past 50 years.
Intuitively we have always known Lyon can coach. What we have never known is whether or not he was ultimately going to.
He may raise the most famous monobrow in football at the suggestion, but over the next 12 months we are finally about to find out.