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Action been bought in Darwin against Kealty and federal police.

Claim Kealty could not forward information to indonesia that would reasonably be determined would bring the death Penalty, with out the Atorney General Written Permission


How many FU can Ruddock be involved with?
 
Qsaint said:
Action been bought in Darwin against Kealty and federal police.

Claim Kealty could not forward information to indonesia that would reasonably be determined would bring the death Penalty, with out the Atorney General Written Permission


How many FU can Ruddock be involved with?
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it was odd at the time. We never give another country information regarding these things,expecially when they could have arrested them on arrival in OUR country.
 
campbell said:
it was odd at the time. We never give another country information regarding these things,expecially when they could have arrested them on arrival in OUR country.
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Its doubtful their was a similar case that went to the high court and the guy got off on what the yanks would call entrapment. I can't remeber the exact details, but Kelty of course came up with it when he was getting a bollocking in the media.

Anyway it seems to be for the money

http://www.theage.com.au/news/natio...-federal-police/2005/10/07/1128562985827.html
 
As with Schappelle Corby , Indonesia will not concern themselves with this suit. They were caught in Indonesia with drugs...how the information got to them wont concern them at all.

Bang, Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang,Bang
 

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Actualy Perth Crow, I'm hoping its more like this

RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA
*SPHULK* *THUD* *PHLUCK* ARRGHHhh!!111
RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA

Fill them full of led and use their bullet ridden corpses as reminders of the price that you pay for stupidity.
 
What a great Australian Kelty is

Father was 'informer' on Bali nine
By Lindsay Murdoch
Darwin
October 8, 2005

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Scott Rush: Darwin court challenge to federal police conduct in his case.
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THE father of one of the Bali nine told federal police his son was going to Indonesia to commit drug offences, but they reneged on a promise to stop him, court documents say.

Mr Lee Rush claims the Australian Federal Police refusal to warn his 19-year-old son Scott has exposed him to the death penalty under Indonesia's tough anti-drug laws.

The accusation comes as Scott and several other members of the alleged smuggling syndicate face drug trafficking trials in Bali next week.

Indonesian police want all nine Australians executed by firing squad.

Mr Rush revealed in an application filed in the Federal Court yesterday that on or about the day his son went to Bali last April he asked the AFP for help to stop him leaving Australia.

He said that at the time he feared his son was "going to Indonesia in respect of drug-related matters" and he instructed a lawyer, Robert Meyers, to ask the AFP to intervene.

Mr Rush said AFP officers told him through the lawyer that Scott would be informed he was under surveillance, dissuading him from committing any offence in Indonesia that might bring the death penalty.

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AdvertisementBut Mr Rush said the AFP did not contact Scott, who was arrested at the Bali International Airport on April 17 with heroin strapped to his body.

Scott and another of the accused couriers, Renae Lawrence, 27, of Newcastle, are taking action in the Federal Court sitting in Darwin over what they claim is the denial of procedural fairness over their arrests in Bali and the legality of the AFP's conduct under Australian law.

They say the AFP acted illegally when it gave assistance to the Indonesian police that led to their arrests, exposing them to the death penalty.

The application they lodged seeks records, notes and documents relating to their arrests. The application, to be heard on Monday, will intensify criticism of the AFP's role in the arrests.

John North, president of the Law Council of Australia, yesterday called for AFP guidelines to be changed to conform with the Federal Government's position not to help in death penalty cases.

Civil liberties advocates have attacked the AFP for tipping off Indonesian police about the alleged activities of the nine in Bali — exposing them to the death penalty — instead of waiting for them to arrive back in Australia with the heroin.

But Mr Rush now reveals he gave the AFP information about his son's intentions before Scott and other members of the group even left Australia.

AFP Commissioner Mick Keelty said after the arrests that his officers would provide evidence that could help Indonesian police impose the death penalty because the nine were "caught red-handed".

But Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said on September 28 that Australia would no longer co-operate in the cases without an assurance that a death penalty would not be sought.

Indonesian authorities responded that they did not need any help with the prosecutions.

Justice Minister Chris Ellison yesterday defended the AFP, saying it had acted properly.

"I reject any allegation that the AFP breached any guidelines. I've seen the work they've done," he said.

Senator Ellison said that until charges were laid, police-to-police assistance was within guidelines covering the way the AFP handled cases involving Australians overseas.

But the minister said that once charges had been laid, any request for help from Indonesia had to be made under the two countries' mutual assist- ance treaty and required the death penalty to be taken off the table.

Mr North, the law society president, said it was difficult to say what impact the application could have on the trials in Bali.

"The Indonesians will go ahead under their own system based on the evidence they have gathered against the nine Australians," he said.

"But they might take some notice if it is fact that the co-operation (with the AFP) was not in accordance with proper guidelines."
 
Entrapment.

Why the heck did we give another country information,whcih those who gave that information knew in that country incured the death penalty?

We sure as heck love to suck up all levels of governemtns butt in indonesia.

WTF is going on with us.
 
Sealen said:
Actualy Perth Crow, I'm hoping its more like this

RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA
*SPHULK* *THUD* *PHLUCK* ARRGHHhh!!111
RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA

Fill them full of led and use their bullet ridden corpses as reminders of the price that you pay for stupidity.
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Do you think the next person/group that tries to smuggle drugs in Indonesia will be concerned with what happened to these 9.

It will not make the slightest bit of difference.
For drug runners the end 'reward' is well worth the risks involved.
These people knew before hand that if they got caught they would face death - but they still did it.
 
Murray said:
Do you think the next person/group that tries to smuggle drugs in Indonesia will be concerned with what happened to these 9.

It will not make the slightest bit of difference.
For drug runners the end 'reward' is well worth the risks involved.
These people knew before hand that if they got caught they would face death - but they still did it.
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Yeah, true - they are all talking out of their arses when they say they didnt know the penalty is death.
 
Sealen said:
Yeah, true - they are all talking out of their arses when they say they didnt know the penalty is death.
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Its crazy isn't it?

They knew there was two high pofile cases in the news (Corby and the guy from Adelaide, can't think of his name) going on at the exact same time they were planning their smuggling - and yet they still went ahead with it.

And now they face death - it astounds me
 
I'm guessing the father felt that he had no control over his son, if he told the Feds then they might be able to scare him out of it. Death or no death, in the end it was the son, an adult, who decided to attempt smuggling drugs into a foreign country. No sympathy here.
 

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Sealen said:
Actualy Perth Crow, I'm hoping its more like this

RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA
*SPHULK* *THUD* *PHLUCK* ARRGHHhh!!111
RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA RATA TATA

Fill them full of led and use their bullet ridden corpses as reminders of the price that you pay for stupidity.
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Sealen do I detect a satanist in you? :)
 
If you think the Corby defence was dumb, this has sunk to another level.

The fact that the father was concerned enough to contact the AFP BEFORE his son left is a clear proof that the whole thing was pre-planned and that the Bali 9 (or at least some of them) knew what's going on before they left of Indonesia.

The whole 'not knowing what the deal was until they got to Indonesia and if we didn't do it they would harm our families back in Oz' defence has just been thrown out of the window.

So it's clear intent to smuggle drug (according to his own father) even BEFORE they left for Indonesia. The Indonesian prosecution can just sit back and relax.

Of course the irony of the whole father-AFP saga is, had the AFP actually gone and talk to the son, he could have complained about the AFP harassing him - he hasn't done the crime yet and there's not enough evidence to actually arrest him in Oz at that point (which the AFP would have done if they have the evidence).
 

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These guys were strapped with so many bricks of heroin they looked like Roblox avatars.
 
so much anger because these guys were released..Yet renae lawerence was released 7 years ago for committing the exact same crime and we heard crickets..I wonder why
 

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Gethelred said:
You were not really posting about the Bali 9 though, were you?
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well I was but also noting the anger levels directed at these men..Are observations not allowed ?

Its not really my problem if the observation doesn't align with the fairytales people want to believe in how society works
 
Grumpyshades said:
well I was but also noting the anger levels directed at these men..Are observations not allowed ?

Its not really my problem if the observation doesn't align with the fairytales people want to believe in how society works
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Nope. We're not doing this.

Bye now.
 
Grumpyshades said:
so much anger because these guys were released..Yet renae lawerence was released 7 years ago for committing the exact same crime and we heard crickets..I wonder why
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Didn't she do a deal and cooperate with the Indonesian authorities so she got a reduced sentence not really the same as the government using time, money and influence to get the rest home.

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