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iDon said:
It's not really. It's a poor reflection on the egos currently in the test team.

How's Labs form going? smith? Warner before retired?

They should worry about their own form first but I guess the second best option is to put down any challenges as frequently as possible. That'll help em out.
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Probably should stop while you're behind tbh. Labs just made back to back 50s in our most recent Test win and is one of the best fielders in the world. But sure, it's all a conspiracy by CA to keep out anyone from outside the current team.
 
The thing I really don’t understand about the “this is a slap in the face to the shield” argument is that Cam Green was absolutely the best batsman in the shield before he earned his Australian selection batting in the top 4 for WA.

It’s not like they’ve picked some slogger from the BBL to open and ignored shield form. If Green didn’t play for Australia for the past couple of years he’d still be the best player in domestic cricket.
 
iDon said:
Can someone show me Cam Greens matches and scores since he was dropped? Or just the last two seasons of shield cricket?

I find it impossible to find it online
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Can't do the date search quickly, but Cameron Green averages 54 for Western Australia vs Cameron Bancroft's 41.

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BACCS said:
Probably should stop while you're behind tbh. Labs just made back to back 50s in our most recent Test win and is one of the best fielders in the world. But sure, it's all a conspiracy by CA to keep out anyone from outside the current team.
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Averaged 34 last year. Good to see he make coupla 50s though against depleted Pakistan.
 
Averaging 41 after 90 shield games is not a hard luck story.

If it was around 45+ then I suppose you could whinge atm but really 90 games is basically 9 seasons of Shield cricket so it's a large sample size.
 
BStaff17 said:
Averaging 41 after 90 shield games is not a hard luck story.

If it was around 45+ then I suppose you could whinge atm but really 90 games is basically 9 seasons of Shield cricket so it's a large sample size.
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Averaging over 50 and being the top run scorer the last two seasons is a hard luck story.
 
iDon said:
Last two seasons was all I'm after as that's what's Bancroft has been doing his best work. Gets told to make runs. Makes the most runs
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He averages 41, it's no poor is me I was robbed moment here. He's an okay at best opener, he'd be an okay at best test player. They have gone for the option that can potentially average 40+ and can bowl as we sure as anything don't want Marsh bowling and breaking down.
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
He averages 41, it's no poor is me I was robbed moment here. He's an okay at best opener, he'd be an okay at best test player. They have gone for the option that can potentially average 40+ and can bowl as we sure as anything don't want Marsh bowling and breaking down.
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What poor take.

I'm sure we can find 100s of examples of players who have matured and seen their scoring improve with age. It's a natural progression.

Bancroft isn't the only one who has poor beginnings to careers. Steve Smith was in the 30s for 20 tests and then went bang. I'm not saying Bancroft is Smith but you should be looking at a player based on form. 2 years of form too. That is a solid back to back seasons for anyone at first class level.
 
iDon said:
What poor take.

I'm sure we can find 100s of examples of players who have matured and seen their scoring improve with age. It's a natural progression.

Bancroft isn't the only one who has poor beginnings to careers. Steve Smith was in the 30s for 20 tests and then went bang. I'm not saying Bancroft is Smith but you should be looking at a player based on form. 2 years of form too. That is a solid back to back seasons for anyone at first class level.
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Bancroft averaged 48.5 in first class cricket in 2023.

Edit: 44.3
 
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iDon said:
What poor take.

I'm sure we can find 100s of examples of players who have matured and seen their scoring improve with age. It's a natural progression.

Bancroft isn't the only one who has poor beginnings to careers. Steve Smith was in the 30s for 20 tests and then went bang. I'm not saying Bancroft is Smith but you should be looking at a player based on form. 2 years of form too. That is a solid back to back seasons for anyone at first class level.
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No you should be selecting on a range of things and whether you like it or not team unity is huge in professional sports especially a cricket team who spend months away together. Performances are a factor and yes you want to see it at that level. You also want to see them do it at the Aus A level, and he only made a very scratchy 50 in the latest one, Renshaw made a big ton though.

Bancroft's biggest issue is he keeps opening his gob every two seconds about something in the past. You really think that's going to be good for team unity? Whether you like it or not it's a factor. He won't pay again until he stops doing it. What's wrong with saying "no comment mate" and keep it to yourself.

Green also has substancially more potential across both bat and bowling, I'd have picked him anyway, but I did say not at 6, he's not a 6. He's a perfect 4.
 

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western royboy said:
Is Smith an Opener?
Is Green a No.4?

I’ll take Marsh as an All Rounder above those options.
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I like Green at 4 better than at 6. Worth a shot there given his average in the top order for WA.
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
No you should be selecting on a range of things and whether you like it or not team unity is huge in professional sports especially a cricket team who spend months away together. Performances are a factor and yes you want to see it at that level. You also want to see them do it at the Aus A level, and he only made a very scratchy 50 in the latest one, Renshaw made a big ton though.

Bancroft's biggest issue is he keeps opening his gob every two seconds about something in the past. You really think that's going to be good for team unity? Whether you like it or not it's a factor. He won't pay again until he stops doing it. What's wrong with saying "no comment mate" and keep it to yourself.

Green also has substancially more potential across both bat and bowling, I'd have picked him anyway, but I did say not at 6, he's not a 6. He's a perfect 4.
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So you have no shifted away from his scores aren't good enough to hand picking an Aus A game, to team unity and Green "potential".

More twist and turns with you then the Alp D'HueZ in the Tour de France.
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
Yeah well he better start making runs been horrid all year long. Plus he will need to show he doesn’t need a break at the drop of a hat. I like Pucovski but we can wait till after Khawaja has to retire to even remotely consider him
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Fully agree with all of that, but I do think if he’d been making runs this year he’d be called up now. In another world where he cooks stay on the park regularly Warner is probably forced into retirement earlier.
 
Blue1980 said:
Fully agree with all of that, but I do think if he’d been making runs this year he’d be called up now. In another world where he cooks stay on the park regularly Warner is probably forced into retirement earlier.
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Don't agree, wouldn't have. They would have wanted to see him stay on the park and not just the concussions the external things too.
 
There are a few non-"specialist openers" who have opened the batting in tests in the past, and done okay.
David Boon
Shane Watson
Simon Katich
Justin Langer
Usman Khawaja
 
iDon said:
So you have no shifted away from his scores aren't good enough to hand picking an Aus A game, to team unity and Green "potential".

More twist and turns with you then the Alp D'HueZ in the Tour de France.
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They all come into it. Scores are a part, Green showed he was a class above shield too whats the debate there. Green also is a substantially better package with his bowling. We head overseas we don't want Marsh bowling much, he literally bowled 7 overs this series, Green can bowl substantially more as is a POD bowler with his height.

Then you have the fact Bancroft is not helping himself in his interviews, heaven knows why he thought the best thing was to whinge right before selection
 

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dogs105 said:
There are a few non-"specialist openers" who have opened the batting in tests in the past, and done okay.
David Boon
Shane Watson
Simon Katich
Justin Langer
Usman Khawaja
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Wasn't Warner a middle order bat too, I know he started at 6 for NSW.
 
iDon said:
Averaged 34 last year. Good to see he make coupla 50s though against depleted Pakistan.
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Are you proposing to drop Labuschagne?

Or are you saying because Labuschagne is struggling that justifies picking Bancroft who is worse?
 
dogs105 said:
There are a few non-"specialist openers" who have opened the batting in tests in the past, and done okay.
David Boon
Shane Watson
Simon Katich
Justin Langer
Usman Khawaja
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To go back a lot further, Keith Stackpole is another.
 

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