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LukeParkerno1 said:
They all come into it. Scores are a part, Green showed he was a class above shield too whats the debate there. Green also is a substantially better package with his bowling. We head overseas we don't want Marsh bowling much, he literally bowled 7 overs this series, Green can bowl substantially more as is a POD bowler with his height.

Then you have the fact Bancroft is not helping himself in his interviews, heaven knows why he thought the best thing was to whinge right before selection
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Average 33 at test level from 24 matches, statistically significant there. Or does he get time to improve? Oh wait Bancroft doesn't so that should rule out Green with yours and others posts in here.

Bowling from Green? Averages little over 8 overs an innings in his test career thus far. And little more then 1 wicket an innings. Last year average of 56. Let's not pretend like his bowing is a point of difference.
 
Worst kept secret announced just then!

Side has been named, the only issue I have is Boland over Morris, what's the point really. The 3 quicks are playing the first test I'd hope we look at Morris for the D/N
 

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iDon said:
Average 33 at test level from 24 matches, statistically significant there. Or does he get time to improve? Oh wait Bancroft doesn't so that should rule out Green with yours and others posts in here.

Bowling from Green? Averages little over 8 overs an innings in his test career thus far. And little more then 1 wicket an innings. Last year average of 56. Let's not pretend like his bowing is a point of difference.
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One has a test 5 for, whetehr you like it or not everything comes into it. If you have two that will average relatively the same and personally Green will average more but lets assume they average the same...you look at other factors and bowling comes into it, as does not being a total muppet off the field like Bancroft has in interviews.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
One swallow doth not make a summer

His body of work over two years is nowhere near the other two
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Versatility is probably the key, Bancroft really can't bat anywhere except open. Whilst I hate the idea of Renshaw in the middle order he can do it if need be.
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
Worst kept secret announced just then!

Side has been named, the only issue I have is Boland over Morris, what's the point really. The 3 quicks are playing the first test I'd hope we look at Morris for the D/N
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I'd prefer Boland for a D/N match. Probably also at Adelaide which should be pretty flat for a day game. Could play Morris on a quicker wicket. How fast does he actually bowl?
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
Don't agree, wouldn't have. They would have wanted to see him stay on the park and not just the concussions the external things too.
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I think if he’d been averaging 50+ in the shield they’d have strongly considered it, but you’re probably right.

Does he have a county contract?
 
LukeParkerno1 you are shifting every time to suit your narrative.

Green has a test 5 fa. Yes good on him. Outside of that his average and SR is at best a park cricketer level.

Can you provide me with the Bancroft quotes in the last two years of him "running his mouth"
 
I may be wrong but I think the last long term middle order player to switch to opening late in his career was recent HOF inductee Ian Redpath.

Redpath had opened early in his career and scored 97 on debut. He shifted to the middle, where among other scores he had a long partnership with Greg Chappell on debut at the WACA, each scoring a century.

Redpath moved back up the order for his final seasons and ended with a hundred in his final test in 1976.
 
dogs105 said:
I'd prefer Boland for a D/N match. Probably also at Adelaide which should be pretty flat for a day game. Could play Morris on a quicker wicket. How fast does he actually bowl?
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He's not 150kmph, he's in the 140's though. Still be good to get a game into Morris this series.
 
Black Diamond said:
I may be wrong but I think the last long term middle order player to switch to opening late in his career was recent HOF inductee Ian Redpath.

Redpath had opened early in his career and scored 97 on debut. He shifted to the middle, where among other scores he had a long partnership with Greg Chappell on debut at the WACA, each scoring a century.

Redpath moved back up the order for his final seasons and ended with a hundred in his final test in 1976.
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Justin Langer played 36 tests before opening the batting.
Shane Watson
Simon Katich
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
They all come into it. Scores are a part, Green showed he was a class above shield too whats the debate there. Green also is a substantially better package with his bowling. We head overseas we don't want Marsh bowling much, he literally bowled 7 overs this series, Green can bowl substantially more as is a POD bowler with his height.

Then you have the fact Bancroft is not helping himself in his interviews, heaven knows why he thought the best thing was to whinge right before selection
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What exactly has Bancroft said about what happened and how often does he mention it? The only thing I recall is the "pretty obvious" response to a journo asking if anyone else knew what was going on, which was a few years ago iirc. Last I've heard him say is something like "it's in the past and I think everyone's gotten over it". I could be wrong, but it sounds like other people outside of those involved are talking about it way more than Bancroft, and he's being attributed to some of that.
 

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iDon said:
Average 33 at test level from 24 matches, statistically significant there. Or does he get time to improve? Oh wait Bancroft doesn't so that should rule out Green with yours and others posts in here.

Bowling from Green? Averages little over 8 overs an innings in his test career thus far. And little more then 1 wicket an innings. Last year average of 56. Let's not pretend like his bowing is a point of difference.
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What are your thoughts on Green averaging more than Bancroft in the Shield?
 
Blue1980 said:
I think if he’d been averaging 50+ in the shield they’d have strongly considered it, but you’re probably right.

Does he have a county contract?
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No idea, I know he did before the concussions, look Khawaja is not in any rush to go but you probably think next summer or maybe one more is his max
 
dogs105 said:
There are a few non-"specialist openers" who have opened the batting in tests in the past, and done okay.
David Boon
Shane Watson
Simon Katich
Justin Langer
Usman Khawaja
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Khawaja should have been opening way earlier, he made his best knocks v SA in Adelaide and v Pakistan in UAE as an opener only got them to not revisit the idea again until 2022.

That was a similar case of not being able to drop him after twin centuries and bumping up a middle order player to open.
 
Blue1980 said:
Khawaja should have been opening way earlier, he made his best knocks v SA in Adelaide and v Pakistan in UAE as an opener only got them to not revisit the idea again until 2022.

That was a similar case of not being able to drop him after twin centuries and bumping up a middle order player to open.
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Khawaja went back to QLD knowing the only up in the air spot left was opener and batted 4.
 
Around the Wicket said:
Smith at 1 and Green at 4 is the right call but if it fails early be interesting how long the selectors give it.
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If Smith fails as an opener, yep, call in the best performing specialist. And Smith/Green/Labs/Marsh/Head fight it out for 4 spots.
 

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iDon said:
LukeParkerno1 you are shifting every time to suit your narrative.

Green has a test 5 fa. Yes good on him. Outside of that his average and SR is at best a park cricketer level.

Can you provide me with the Bancroft quotes in the last two years of him "running his mouth"
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No I'm not, Green would average more at test level like he has. He already has a test century and a 5 for. Much better player at that level and that's despite being 24 years old and batting out of position. Literally an article this week about Bancroft, the big one was throwing the bowling group under the bus. If he had any thoughts on playing for Australia it went then, exactly what you don't do.
 
Top 7 should be

Bancroft
Khawaja
Labuschagne
Green
Smith
Head
Carey

Bancroft is right handed, a genuine opener, can take the gloves in a pinch and is a very good fielder in the slips, under the lid, in the covers or on the boundary.

The amount of mental gymnastics trying to justify the continued inclusion of Marsh or a makeshift opener going up to the top is complete and utter shite.

I'm a Marsh fan, if we didn't have a generational pace attack and our keeper could bat in the top 6 Marsh probably carves himself out an 80 test career as a better Chris Woakes at number 7, but if we're fair dinkum we put the 32 year old out to stud and go with Green from here on out and we don't need to invent a makeshift opener for the sake of it.
 
Blue1980 said:
Khawaja should have been opening way earlier, he made his best knocks v SA in Adelaide and v Pakistan in UAE as an opener only got them to not revisit the idea again until 2022.

That was a similar case of not being able to drop him after twin centuries and bumping up a middle order player to open.
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Langer picked that mug Harris over Khawaja, lol we thank you JL
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
No idea, I know he did before the concussions, look Khawaja is not in any rush to go but you probably think next summer or maybe one more is his max
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I’d love Khawaja to keep going as long as he can, though if I was guessing I’d say the Indian series would be his finale.
 

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