Bands that died the slow death

[Angus1]

The issue was from 2002.

they had a big disclaimer that you know, it was only in the opinions of the journo's etc and itr was partially based on influence (Beastie boys influenced the art of sampling in a major way - they did make a huge difference to the industry).

White Album was no.1

Nevermind was 3

Pet Sounds was 5

There is always going to be a lot you disagree with any list, because taste is very personal - but I could at least see logic with every album they listed, even if I did disagree with the majority of them

and for the record RS has gone way down hill

Yeah ok i see your point. I guess that could be similar too Sex Pistols- Never Mind The Bullocks in the influence department.
I was just thinking that the top 20 at least would be all classics before they started looking at what influenced genres.
How on earth did the White Album get no.1???????? It's not even The Beatles best album.
I use to follow music with a passion through the 90's and kept an eye on these top 100 all time charts and the one thing that has remained constant is how they keep on changing.
The one album that always remained at the top was Pink Floyd- Dark Side Of The Moon. That album is now 32 years old so i guess it's time for a change.

The White Album. WTF were they thinking when they picked that????

 

[mark73]

Yeah ok i see your point. I guess that could be similar too Sex Pistols- Never Mind The Bullocks in the influence department.
I was just thinking that the top 20 at least would be all classics before they started looking at what influenced genres.
How on earth did the White Album get no.1???????? It's not even The Beatles best album.
I use to follow music with a passion through the 90's and kept an eye on these top 100 all time charts and the one thing that has remained constant is how they keep on changing.
The one album that always remained at the top was Pink Floyd- Dark Side Of The Moon. That album is now 32 years old so i guess it's time for a change.

The White Album. WTF were they thinking when they picked that????

I don't like the white album but its only time for a change when there is something better...Guys like McCartney and Gilmour would put the "so-called" muso's of today to shame,and when it comes to songwriting,forget about it....

 

[rick James]

I don't like the white album but its only time for a change when there is something better...Guys like McCartney and Gilmour would put the "so-called" muso's of today to shame,and when it comes to songwriting,forget about it....

Agree in some sense, but at the same time it needs to be culturally relevant, or technically we'd be putting beethoven and bach at the top of these lists.

That said, rock from the 60's and 70's is still quite relevant today.

 

[rick James]

Espanding on someones point earlier, Pearl Jam have really REALLY fallen off imo.

Just listening to corduroy atm, and wondering wtf went wrong....

 

[mark73]

Agree in some sense, but at the same time it needs to be culturally relevant, or technically we'd be putting beethoven and bach at the top of these lists.

That said, rock from the 60's and 70's is still quite relevant today.

Agree about the cultural relevance but there is a huge gap between guys like that and what I hear today as far as ability is concerned.Groups like Pearl Jam,Metallica etc(they're guitarists anyway),are just basic rock and blues scale type guitarists.
Guys like McCartney could have played with the Beatles or he could have played with Duke Ellington,Miles Davis or the symphony orchestra...The point I'm making is the huge gap in ability,which is not hard to pinpoint when you see guys like Kurt Cobain who is worshipped but as a musician probably knew little more than three chords...

 

[Angus1]

I don't like the white album but its only time for a change when there is something better...Guys like McCartney and Gilmour would put the "so-called" muso's of today to shame,and when it comes to songwriting,forget about it....

Hey i totally agree with you . What I was getting at was why the White Album? Sgt. Peppers is still a good album today and is miles above the White Album or anything else that was around at the time.
Dark Side Of The Moon and Sgt. Peppers were albums that people stood back and thought WOW. Brian Wilson had a nervous breakdown FFS. They are the 2 standout albums of their time and then some.

I still play both albums and think damn that was good.

 

[mark73]

Hey i totally agree with you . What I was getting at was why the White Album? Sgt. Peppers is still a good album today and is miles above the White Album or anything else that was around at the time.
Dark Side Of The Moon and Sgt. Peppers were albums that people stood back and thought WOW. Brian Wilson had a nervous breakdown FFS. They are the 2 standout albums of their time and then some.

I still play both albums and think damn that was good.

LOL....Brian was a songwriting genius but I don't think he was ever to concerned about normality...

 

[rick James]

fair point mark but what about guys like elliot smith, jeff buckley etc?

Or even someone who does hte basics incredibly well, like Kurt cobain.

all three of the abovenamed are very good muso's in their own right. And all dead too funnily enough.

 

[Gasometer]

I love U2...I think they suffer more from iconsistency then anything else.

Rattle n hum (average)...Achtung baby (good)...Zooropa (average)...an album I cant remember the name of around 1997 (average)...All that you cant leave behind...(good)..

and then outcomes 'How to build an atomic bomb' which contained one decent song 'Vertigo' and I wasted $20 at Kmart on the album.

Gaso

 

[mark73]

fair point mark but what about guys like elliot smith, jeff buckley etc?

Or even someone who does hte basics incredibly well, like Kurt cobain.

all three of the abovenamed are very good muso's in their own right. And all dead too funnily enough.

It is funny they're all dead which is why I think they have the hero status they have....

 

[ssreid]

KISS- How many farewell tours have they had ?

 

[tomaraya]

thought you might like to know that pearl jam just completed a totally sold out candian tour, and are currently touring south america, where they have sold out eight 45,000-60,000 seat stadiums.

Thought you might like to know that I was speaking for myself and not the rest of the world.

 

[Angus1]

KISS- How many farewell tours have they had ?

Yeah but it was a bloody good one though.
The one with Ace I mean.

 

[rick James]

It is funny they're all dead which is why I think they have the hero status they have....

hmm i can agree with that in a sense, i think that's why they became SO popular, but i don't agree that it voids their talent

 

[Arcadion]

I love U2...I think they suffer more from iconsistency then anything else.

Rattle n hum (average)...Achtung baby (good)...Zooropa (average)...an album I cant remember the name of around 1997 (average)...All that you cant leave behind...(good)..

and then outcomes 'How to build an atomic bomb' which contained one decent song 'Vertigo' and I wasted $20 at Kmart on the album.

Gaso

HTDAAB is a good album - Vertigo, Original Of The Species, City Of Blinding Lights, Crumbs From Your Table, Miracle Drug, Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own are all great songs. U2 are not dying, they are still going strong. What other bands can boast the same longevity?

 

[Toasta]

The point I'm making is the huge gap in ability,which is not hard to pinpoint when you see guys like Kurt Cobain who is worshipped but as a musician probably knew little more than three chords...

I don't think i've ever heard cobain refered to as a technically talented artist, your right the songs were simple. I think the accolaids owed to cobain come from the relavency in his song writing to the pop culture of that time.

Comparing Cobain and McCartney is a useless exersise.

 

[Toasta]

Nope but I have hte rollingstone right here.

biggie's Ready To die came in at 20 and Beastie Boys had an album come in at 15

After illmatic there's a big drop off in hiphopalbums til Tupac's All eyez on me at 47

Was there any other disclaimers? Top 100 influencial albums of all time? Top 100 Ground Breaking albums of all time? I just don't get it. Sorry mate, not challenging you here but its baffelled me.

Beastie Boys would have had to have been Pauls Boutique yeah? I can see how that album deserves to be in or around a list like that.

 

[Toasta]

Brian Wilson had a nervous breakdown FFS.

What has this got to do with anything. Doesn't take anything away from the compositions he achieved previous or post this fact.

Pet Sounds is up there in the dozen or so albums of all time in my opinion. And Smile was an absolute masterpiece.

 

[oxx]

Nope but I have hte rollingstone right here.

biggie's Ready To die came in at 20 and Beastie Boys had an album come in at 15

After illmatic there's a big drop off in hiphopalbums til Tupac's All eyez on me at 47

What list is that Kasey Kasem ?

The top 50 Rolling Stone albums of all time are

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles 2. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys

3. Revolver, The Beatles

4. Highway 61 Revisited, Bob Dylan

5. Rubber Soul, The Beatles

6. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye

7. Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones

8. London Calling, The Clash

9. Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan

10. The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Beatles

11. The Sun Sessions, Elvis Presley

12. Kind of Blue, Miles Davis

13. Velvet Underground and Nico, The Velvet Underground

14. Abbey Road, The Beatles

15. Are You Experienced?, The Jimi Hendrix Experience

16. Blood on the Tracks, Bob Dylan

17. Nevermind, Nirvana

18. Born to Run, Bruce Springsteen

19. Astral Weeks, Van Morrison

20. Thriller, Michael Jackson

21. The Great Twenty-Eight, Chuck Berry

22. Plastic Ono Band, John Lennon

23. Innervisions, Stevie Wonder

24. Live at the Apollo (1963), James Brown

25. Rumours, Fleetwood Mac

26. The Joshua Tree, U2

27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1, Robert Johnson

28. Who's Next, The Who

29. Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin

30. Blue, Joni Mitchell

31. Bringing It All Back Home, Bob Dylan

32. Let It Bleed, The Rolling Stones

33. Ramones, Ramones

34. Music From Big Pink, The Band

35. The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars, David Bowie

36. Tapestry, Carole King

37. Hotel California, The Eagles

38. The Anthology, 1947 - 1972, Muddy Waters

39. Please Please Me, The Beatles

40. Forever Changes, Love

41. Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols, The Sex Pistols

42. The Doors, The Doors

43. The Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd

44. Horses, Patti Smith

45. The Band, The Band

46. Legend, Bob Marley and the Wailers

47. A Love Supreme, John Coltrane

48. It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Public Enemy

49. At Fillmore East, The Allman Brothers Band

50. Here's Little Richard, Little Richard



Here's the link


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5938174?rnd=1132788406958&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.857


I doubt if u'll find a craphop album in the top 100.


Try posting fact rik.

 

[rick James]

oxx, that link was to their 500 greatest albums of all tiem issue, which i beleive only came out over the last year.

As stated earlier, my list was from the 150 greatest albums issue, from 2002.

Clearly they have changed the order of the list, as has often happened before.

Oh and there's a Hiphop album on the list you posted at 48 little man.

 

[Toasta]

I doubt if u'll find a craphop album in the top 100.

48. It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Public Enemy

Sorry mate, had to do it.

 

[oxx]

oxx, that link was to their 500 greatest albums of all tiem issue, which i beleive only came out over the last year.

As stated earlier, my list was from the 150 greatest albums issue, from 2002.

Clearly they have changed the order of the list, as has often happened before.

Oh and there's a Hiphop album on the list you posted at 48 little man.

Changed the order,more like they realised.

 

[oxx]

No worries.

I doubt wther rik would have known either so we can both learn something.

 

[rick James]

Changed the order,more like they realised.

har har yeah it's more liek they realised har har

Idiot, doesn't change the fact that's where they named it in 2002 does it?

You really only know a marginal amount about pop and commercial music, don't debate anything remotely credible, it make it clear how much of an idiot you are.

 

[mark73]

You might want to read my last post halfwit - never try to put me on the same lack of knowledge level as yourself.

I don't hold any grudges against hiphop "performers"(I won't say musicians) because it obviously sells to a particular market,but my gripe with it is that it all sounds pretty much the same,and I'm only talking now commercialised hiphop because I have never been a fan enough to get into it deeply...

There appears to be a lot of talentless clones in this field of music,and having watched a hip hop/rapper contest in the U.S,my opinion was confirmed.A couple of African/American judges who made little sense when describing who was better,which was not hard to understand,the performers clothing was all that told them apart...

Its riding on the crest of a wave at the minute,but with so many hits sounding the same and/or based on "rapping" over yesterdays hits (Will Smith was the king of it),it just doesn't do anything for me,as a musician...