Barking up the wrong tree

[jackson_rules]

Re: The main reason why TW 100% MUST stay on

i ****ing hate both you 2, just wait and see instead of being so ****ing negative all the time. This shit takes time it was neva going to be turned around in 3 years so shut the **** up

 

[Tiger67]

Re: The main reason why TW 100% MUST stay on

i ****ing hate both you 2, just wait and see instead of being so ****ing negative all the time. This shit takes time it was neva going to be turned around in 3 years so shut the **** up

Well said Jackon.
Rome wasn't built in a day!
Good things take time!
Good things come to those that wait!
Patience is a virtue!
and any other cliche that fits.
But in the mean time can those that just want to bag our footy club promise that when TW drags us back to our rightful place amongst the front runners of the competition, please don't get on here and pat him on the back, as you have already forfeited any right to do so in the future.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Re: The main reason why TW 100% MUST stay on

But in the mean time can those that just want to bag our footy club promise that when TW drags us back to our rightful place amongst the front runners of the competition, please don't get on here and pat him on the back, as you have already forfeited any right to do so in the future.

Well said!

There's plenty of room on the main board in all the Richmond-bagging threads. We don't need any more of them here.

 

[tigerdan]

Re: The main reason why TW 100% MUST stay on

Let's face it, as a group we're a passionate bunch. We are up there with Collingwood in the maniacally obsessed stakes. But passionate people tend to act first and think later.

That is what has held us back as footy entered the modern era. The cycle of sacking coaches and board challenges might have vented our spleens but it got us nowhere. In fact, we are damned lucky we have a club at all.

As others have pointed out, it's not the 70's any more. We have to cop the pain and build the best foundation of any club in the land. Unfortunately that's seeing us lose more games than anyone would like.

This is exactly the reason why Wallace demanded a 5 year contract. To give him the time to do the job, and to prevent agitators from sacking him mid-way through.

For those that are genuinely upset at this year, I say just watch the young players and don't worry about the score. You can't expect kids to beat men very often. But it wont be long until they mature and we'll have a bloody good group of players.

 

[1980]

There is absolutely no doubt that in the business of wheeling and dealing Miller is right up there . I will be the first to admit that he is to be commended Throw in Johnson and they are "on face value" ...4 great deals ... kudos .

But what is more important for the long term future and success of our club ?... Landing a big fish from another club every year or two , or the ability to spot the best young talent available and draft accordingly ?

So far the recruitment of those 4 has meant Jack schit on the score board .. harsh i know and bad luck i believe has had a fair bit to do with it . But Terry`s cornerstone when he landed at punt rd. was that he believed in growing your own stars . Is there a contradiction there ?

Fact is , out of our last 4-5 drafts , there is precious little that is standing up and screaming to me ... a fleet of bantam weights that all weigh barely 75kg`s wringing wet ... Meyer and JON being the standouts who both look as though they would struggle to get a kick in a street fight at the minute . Patto is going "OK" , but for such a high draft pick he is looking more like a wet track plodder than a thouroughbred . I am not that harsh on the drafting of Tambling because the fact is everyong rated him in the top 5 ... but is he the type of player we really need at the minute .

Our kingdom for a bloke who can win his own ball at the minute .

The whole point of this thread is ... is Terry Wallace not the coach we hoped he would be ? ..... or is it time for those responsible for (what it is appearing to be at the minute) blowing the raft of high draft picks we have had in the last 5 years to be made accountable ?

I am yet to be convinced that Terry can`t coach , we have at times this year showed some great signs . with the exception of the last month or so when the wind has clearly gone put of our sails . What is clear to me is we just don`t have the cattle , and have made some ordinary choices at the draft table . Danny Meyer is the "piece de resistance`" IMHO ....

Who`s fault is it ? ... some accountability thanks instead of the "Sack Terry" carp

Good post mate. I feel the same way.

The facts are that we all hate the way our senior players dont try, give up, or just aint good enough, and we want them replaced by kids.

Facts are that Wallace never intended to play so many kids this year. He switched tactics after we started the year so badly. Those kids clearly are not ready to be played all at once.

We can argue about Tambling VS Frankin, facts are that the Hawks did what we're doing this year from Clarkson's first year.

Wallace clearly wrote off 2007 the week he sacked Gaspar. Whether he thought we'll be better off in 2008 if we give experience to a lot of kids at once, or whether he thought he should have done it as early as Clarkson and doing it now will at least buy him an extra year of spin, we'll know next season.

What's also important in the wallace debate is how much influence has Miller had? Would Wallace have restructured more deeply, sacked the likes of gaspar and blooded more young players earlier if Miller wasnt pulling strings? I dont know. But Miller is a one trick pony that only chases after other clubs players. And considering what we needed to do, and have only just belated started doing 2 years and 1/3 after this season had already gone, identifying young talent that can be developed by Wallace into great players is not part of his make-up.

So this year he cops it. If we finish 9th next season, Wallace cops it.

 

[Bojangles17]

I for one would love to see Kevin Sheedy back down at Punt Rd. ... but not as coach . There is a bloke who should be right under the microscope at the minute and it aint Terry Wallace . Turn your rants in the direction they should be aimed at ... the puppeteer that has been pulling the strings these past few years . Whilst i believe that this chap has had his heart in the right place , if this was the corporate world he would have got the flick long ago .

couldnt have said it better myself idy, should be OUT Miller... IN sheedy

 

[Heisenberg_]

Re: The main reason why TW 100% MUST stay on

rightio ********. You think I am an embarrasment while you sit back and accpet this. Accepting mediocrity is commonly used phrase on big footy but accpeting Wallace's 3 years would be like opening a beer only to find that it has been filled with liquid shit and thinking its fine, no need to get it exchanged, you'll just cop the awful taste. 1.5 wins in a season is overly pathetic and no amoutn of excuses can hide this. It is pathetic, half-hearted supporters like you that embarrass Richmond supporters. I'd like to see how Collingwood/ WCE/ Adelaide/ any other well run club would take such shitness. Hell Carltonwouldn't even put up wih it.

What so you don't no how to use a logical argument.
Read WHY he should stay, if you expect us to go from rabble to finalist in 2.5 years you need help.
Thompson has had 6-7 years at Geelong and look at the results he has had from sticking to a plan.
A plan that that is incredibly similar to what TW is doing.
In the past we have never stuck with a coach long enough, never see through a plan give them a couple of years and sack them.
Never worked, it just brought mediocre mid table results.
Hence sacking TW will only be a short term fix that will just make us a mid table rabble again.
You are the one who is accepting mediocrity, I want success, which we wont get from sacking the coach shit for brains

 

[Bojangles17]

But what is more important for the long term future and success of our club ?... Landing a big fish from another club every year or two , or the ability to spot the best young talent available and draft accordingly ?

So far the recruitment of those 4 has meant Jack schit on the score board .. harsh i know and bad luck i believe has had a fair bit to do with it . But Terry`s cornerstone when he landed at punt rd. was that he believed in growing your own stars . Is there a contradiction there ?

Who`s fault is it ? ... some accountability thanks instead of the "Sack Terry" carp

what we have lacked is someone with a clear vision of what success looks like. On the one hand is a fella that sees the big fish as the coup that could catapult the club through the breaches on the other is TW that is yet to convince me that he understands what a successful side looks like. TW needs a far better guide than Miller if we are to emerge and Plough is to endure more than 12 months longer into his contract

 

[GhostofJimJess]

, facts are that the Hawks did what we're doing this year from Clarkson's first year.

The Hawks haven't won the Flag just yet. And until they do, there's no conclusive proof that Alistair Clarkson's way is the best way. Hawthorn only have two more wins after R17 than Richmond had at the same time last year, and if things don't fall their way over the next month (Ess, Bris, Port, Western, Sydney) they could conceivably end up with less wins.

Gut feeling suggests that it is the best methodology, and worth modelling. But this time last year it appeared that it was the Bulldogs who had followed the correct way of rebuilding, and the Cats and Roos who had stuffed things up.