Opinion Barry Hall

[TheGoatBaron]

Mum says, she wants to give me his book for my next birthday, I'm curious to read it for sure. I wish he had finished his career at the Swans though.

 

[magic.merkin]

So is Barry Hall not being a 'dick' to continue this nonsense, long, long after Roos had admitted his error? Is he not being a 'dick' by disrespecting those he played alonside to win the cup? Is he not being a 'dick' by saying that he wants to be remembered as a Bulldog player when finished?

....and let me remind you of who set the very culture that you & I were proud of at the Swans. It wasn't Barry Hall. He merely jumped on for the ride, as we supporters did, but wanted to jump off as soon as he saw that it wasn't going to his destination.

He has Paul Roos to thank for anything that resembles success in his career. At worst, he should just keep his mouth shut. It shouldn't have been put in a book because he'll regret it all one day!

What I'm waiting for is a whack for Brett Kirk in his book. Surely even Barry Hall couldn't be that much of a 'dick'!

Pause take a breath. I was only arguing the point where you said he was always a dick onfield.

I agree with you for the rest of the rant to a degree.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Barry doesn't strike me as the type to bullshit to sell books, so ill accept his words at face value. Judging by his account, he's failed to accept responsibility for his actions. The rutten incident was the final straw after a number of incidents, yet he's pointing the finger at roos for not returning his call, but the truth of the matter was he was on his last warning and he re-offended, that was it. Roos could have called him, went for drinks on the weekend etc it wouldn't have made a difference, hall blew his chance and a phone call wouldn't have changed a thing. The trust was gone. Sure, it woud've been appropriate for roos to have called hall back but its really got nothing to do with the phone call, but with halls actions. Imo hall is deflecting the blame which indicates that he hasnt accepted responsibility.

He was also quick to rubbish claims his relationship breakdown had anything to do with it, probably why the counselling sessions didn't work, hall never went looking for answers within himself, it was always someone else's fault. Sake deal with his suggestions re: the game plan, aparently he was just suggesting a better system but other disagreed with him.

It's probably the same reason why roos always had people around in meetings, probably his subtle way of letting hall know that his decisions weren't just coming from him alone, but from the coaching team as a whole ie hall, I'm not just being pig headed, the coaching staff all agree that this is the best system, you need to buy into it for it to be successful. Hall took it as roos being a coward

Look at the dogs set up, sure, halls getting plenty of it, but look how the team's travelling.

Hall just seemed like he wanted to play to his own tune, that's doesn't fly in a team environment buddy.

 

[BarneyBent]

Barry doesn't strike me as the type to bullshit to sell books, so ill accept his words at face value. Judging by his account, he's failed to accept responsibility for his actions. The rutten incident was the final straw after a number of incidents, yet he's pointing the finger at roos for not returning his call, but the truth of the matter was he was on his last warning and he re-offended, that was it. Roos could have called him, went for drinks on the weekend etc it wouldn't have made a difference, hall blew his chance and a phone call wouldn't have changed a thing. The trust was gone. Sure, it woud've been appropriate for roos to have called hall back but its really got nothing to do with the phone call, but with halls actions. Imo hall is deflecting the blame which indicates that he hasnt accepted responsibility.

Did you completely miss the part where he said that it wouldn't have made a difference to the final outcome no matter what Roos did? That it just upset him and strained the relationship?

Hall in no way blames Roos' actions for his departure from the club, only the bad feeling that came with it.

He was also quick to rubbish claims his relationship breakdown had anything to do with it, probably why the counselling sessions didn't work, hall never went looking for answers within himself, it was always someone else's fault. Sake deal with his suggestions re: the game plan, aparently he was just suggesting a better system but other disagreed with him.

Won't argue that he didn't look for answers within himself (as far as we can tell from the very limited excerpts, in any case), but I think it's a stretch to say he was blaming anybody else for his actions. He has stated that it was him that made the mistake. He said Staker was winding him up and that the umpire wasn't doing his job, but I don't think the implication of that was that his actions were acceptable. He knows he did wrong, he's said as much. If anything, he's accepting full responsibility and not pushing the blame onto girl troubles or other such issues. It was him, and only him. Or would that be too generous an interpretation for Big, Bad, Backstabbing Barry?

It's probably the same reason why roos always had people around in meetings, probably his subtle way of letting hall know that his decisions weren't just coming from him alone, but from the coaching team as a whole ie hall, I'm not just being pig headed, the coaching staff all agree that this is the best system, you need to buy into it for it to be successful. Hall took it as roos being a coward

Quite possibly. Whose fault is that though? Hall had every right to feel outnumbered. Roos had every right to let Hall know that it wasn't just him. Given Roos was the one who wasn't contacting Hall, if you're going to place the blame on anybody for the breakdown in communication, it's Roos.

Look at the dogs set up, sure, halls getting plenty of it, but look how the team's travelling.

Hall just seemed like he wanted to play to his own tune, that's doesn't fly in a team environment buddy.

Upon what do you base this? Hall and O'Loughlin both approached the coaching staff. Did O'Loughlin want to play to his own tune? Besides which, cast you mind back to that time. I think we all felt the forwardline wasn't functioning well.

In fact it's funny how many people agreed with the things Hall is saying when they were actually happening. Dysfunctinal forwardline in which Hall and Micky weren't getting enough space and quality delivery, the club pushing Hall out, Roos being arrogant.

 

[BarneyBent]

So is Barry Hall not being a 'dick' to continue this nonsense, long, long after Roos had admitted his error? Is he not being a 'dick' by disrespecting those he played alonside to win the cup? Is he not being a 'dick' by saying that he wants to be remembered as a Bulldog player when finished?

No, he's not being a dick. He'll be like every other person in history to write an autobiography in which he details a falling out. Often, those falling outs are resolved. If he didn't talk about it, he'd be actively omitting one of the most significant moments of his career. He's fully entitled to be honest, and hopefully Roos will wear it without resentment. As he should, since he was in the wrong.

....and let me remind you of who set the very culture that you & I were proud of at the Swans. It wasn't Barry Hall. He merely jumped on for the ride, as we supporters did, but wanted to jump off as soon as he saw that it wasn't going to his destination.

Not sure what you can base that on. Hall has been identified as one of the people who helped implement the famous "Bloods culture" by those within the club, and was made Captain for a reason. Who knows why he drifted away from the club, but to say he jumped on when it suited him and jumped off when it didn't is a hugely unfair assumption based on very little.

He has Paul Roos to thank for anything that resembles success in his career. At worst, he should just keep his mouth shut. It shouldn't have been put in a book because he'll regret it all one day!

Oh please. Hall is a footballer. He wasn't some homeless kid that was adopted by a philanthropist. Hall was a talented young player who would still have had a pretty damn good career no matter which club he went to. Some perspective would be nice.

What I'm waiting for is a whack for Brett Kirk in his book. Surely even Barry Hall couldn't be that much of a 'dick'!

Depends if Kirk did anything bad. If he did, then fair game.

 

[Doss]

Don't worry, Sydney supporters. Hall has done little more than make himself look like a goose with his Bulldog statement. No doubt Roos and other people could have handled his departure from Sydney a lot better. However, his constant need to attach a 'but' every time he supposedly accepts responsibility for his actions really annoys me and I suspect a lot of people, and at the end of the day shows his supposed acceptance of responsibility is a fallacy.

He clearly still thinks of himself as a victim, when he brought the trouble and his bad end at Sydney on himself through his stupid actions. Again, there's no doubt Roos and co could have handled it better and more respectfully, and if Hall had left his criticism at that, I'd have no issue with him. But the Bulldog statement, for me, strips him of credibility and makes him appear to be little more than a sook who needs to grow up.

 

[DexterTan]

I read an excerpt and he did write repeatedly "I knew I stuffed up". Isn't that accepting responsibility for his actions? As for "victim". All he did was tell his side of the story as he is entitled to, after all it is HIS autobiography. He needed and wanted to talk to Roos and Roos wouldn't call him back. That's what I read into the passage that was posted on the herald sun website.

 

[baja]

To me, that renders whatever Hall says in his book, useless information. We've read it all before in the paper. No need to buy the book.

haha talk about getting your knickers in a knot over useless information, I bet youve ordered an advanced copy. Talk about being melodramatic in your posts, go make a cup of tea and have a nanna nap ya drama queen :

 

[baja]

I read an excerpt and he did write repeatedly "I knew I stuffed up". Isn't that accepting responsibility for his actions? As for "victim". All he did was tell his side of the story as he is entitled to, after all it is HIS autobiography. He needed and wanted to talk to Roos and Roos wouldn't call him back. That's what I read into the passage that was posted on the herald sun website.

wow thats crazy shit good plot for a movie to some it would seem

 

[fairdinkum]

bloodstainedangel5 impressing me in this thread.



I don't blame Roos et al. for sacking Hall when they did, but I also don't blame Hall for writing in his book about the aspects of their handling it that he disagreed with.

Might even give the book a read some time over summer.

 

[disgruntled goat]

That's not what Kirk said, he said the exact opposite of that in fact. He said "I'd trust him with my kids but I can't trust him on the footy field". Or something to that effect.

Exactly.

 

[bedford]

This ^

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Clearly I need to lay off the drugs then, dunno what I've been smoking.

Anyone who thinks Kirk would ever say or even think anything wrong has to be on something.

 

[legend166]

Bumping a bit of an old thread but I'm about 3/4 of the way through Barry's book.

I have to say, it doesn't particularly paint him in the best light. Any one raised on the idea that 'not letting anyone have anything over you' means you're a man probably has a misguided outlook on life. I was also pretty ignorant of the trouble he got up to in his early days at St. Kilda where'd he regularly bash people and nearly killed a guy.

Seems like a guy who actually really needed to sit down with a therapist, but when he did he just lied his way through it so he could get back on the footy field.

And there's a lot of "I didn't want to cause any problems, so I just kept my mouth shut" followed up by "wah wah wah why didn't Roosy know exactly how I was feeling?"

I just read the part where he was wondering why the umpires had it in for him. Now obviously I and every Swans fan think Barry got some harsh treatment, but it's pretty obvious that was borne out of the fact he couldn't stop himself from punching people. That seems to go back to the way he was raised though. He wouldn't let anyone have the last say. So if you niggled him or put him down in some way he'd respond the only way he knew how, by punching you in the head. Pretty pathetic.

Anyone else read it?

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Haven't read it, feel like I don't need to now.

None of what you said surprises me. I appreciate what Hall did for the Swans and without him we'd still be waiting for a flag, but I don't have a whole lot of respect for the man and how he's handled himself.

 

[grimlock]

I managed to skim through the parts relating to his Swans career whilst browsing at David Jones last week. The common theme that emerges is that he refused and still refuses to take responsibility for those acts against Staker, Wakelin and Rutten. He tries to exculpate his behaviour by describing them as above and beyond the intidimating actions that he was planning in his head. He would look at the replays and then express his complete incredulity at the incidents, which isn't a very great defence IMHO.

Also his fallout isn't specifically limited to Roos, he felt isolated by the response of the playing group during his 'retirement' drama. He writes that he doesn't think he will be going to the 10 year premiership reunion if one were held soon which is one of the saddest football stories I've read in a while.

 

[bedford]

cement head would have been a good name for the book and don't worry that he kicked straight, Kirk would have been holding the cup in 06 !

 

[liz]

Also his fallout isn't specifically limited to Roos, he felt isolated by the response of the playing group during his 'retirement' drama. He writes that he doesn't think he will be going to the 10 year premiership reunion if one were held soon which is one of the saddest football stories I've read in a while.

I wonder if he realises that one won't be held any time soon - not unless three and a bit years qualifies as "soon".

 

[grimlock]

I'm sure his boxing sparring sessions haven't taken their toll to his head just yet I think the point he was trying to make was that he feels like a pariah to the Swans tight-knit group and wouldn't feel comfortable in their presence.

 

[awesummm]

It would be a sad sight to see a premiership captain not turn up to a reunion out of preference but really I guess the way the Swans went about it could have been better at times.

Like Roos regretting not returning Barry's calls over the situation before his "retirement". Even if the departure still happened, perhaps things could have been a lot more amicable between the team and BBBH.

Never know though, things change. Maybe a bridge will be built.

 

[Swanee]

It would be a sad sight to see a premiership captain not turn up to a reunion out of preference but really I guess the way the Swans went about it could have been better at times.

Like Roos regretting not returning Barry's calls over the situation before his "retirement". Even if the departure still happened, perhaps things could have been a lot more amicable between the team and BBBH.

Never know though, things change. Maybe a bridge will be built.

I hope a bridge will be built to amend any bitterness or blame. I agree that there were faults on both sides, as you state. I would never want to see a situation with BBBH and The Swans like what happened with Kevin Bartlet and Richmond. Surely the Swans are better managed than to allow that to happen. If we are to be a truly proud and successful club we will find a way to resolve this soon, especially before the Premiership reunion takes place in 2015. Barry Hall was a champion of our club, bled for the club and was a respected team player and captain, and I never want to lose that memory or respect for him that some here are so eager to do. I can't control what he does or how he feels, but I think we need to do what we can to create the best opportunity for him to reconcile with the Mighty Bloods.

 

[bedford]

I have not lost any respect for what he did in 05 and lets be honest he was lucky not to get rubbed out. Remember how he choked in front of goal in 06 and then his actions with his reports were not the Bloods code, but ffs he captained a premiership team and now he's putting us down.

 

[Wolfgang West]

I have not lost any respect for what he did in 05 and lets be honest he was lucky not to get rubbed out. Remember how he choked in front of goal in 06 and then his actions with his reports were not the Bloods code, but ffs he captained a premiership team and now he's putting us down.

Wants to be remembered as a DOG. I'll have no trouble at all granting him his wish.

 

[Dangas]

Many Bloods fans can't stand him after he says he wants to be remembered as a Dog

 

[bedford]

wants to be remembered as a dog. I'll have no trouble at all granting him his wish.

hahaha