Barry Mitchell

[no. 4]

How could Carlton have contemplated making Mitchell senior coach if he can't even get the Bullants to perform. For the last two years he has had the best VFL team to work with and he hasn't even made a Grand Final.

 

[Jimthegreat]

How could Carlton have contemplated making Mitchell senior coach if he can't even get the Bullants to perform. For the last two years he has had the best VFL team to work with and he hasn't even made a Grand Final.

I thought the Carlton player's lacked talent with no depth!! That's what I hear all the time. Suddenly they go back to the VFL and they're the best list. The Carlton players are coached by Pagan during the season and left to Mitchell to get the best out of them in the VFL. Given the rabble we are you can only do so much. Let's hope pagan ends up at the Saints.

 

[MeeSo]

I blame Pagan

 

[Bluebear]

Yes of course.................the only logical conclusion to be drawn from two successive years of failed finals at the Bullants is.........................Pagan should be sacked. Can't believe I didn't see that before. Thanks for making me see the light.

 

[blues4flag]

Yes of course.................the only logical conclusion to be drawn from two successive years of failed finals at the Bullants is.........................Pagan should be sacked. Can't believe I didn't see that before. Thanks for making me see the light.

Honestly, with the VFL list he has, the Ants should finish first. But the finals rule (12:10 or something like that) really stuffs us up. Still, I'm not so sure if I'd like to see him coach Carlton (happy with Pagan ATM), but his quarter time speech was nothing if not inspired.

 

[as0l0]

yep, the bullants performance has got to be the fault of pagan. And Denis must be ashamed of the way Melbourne played last night, surely Denis can do better than that. Brock would still be alive if it wasn't for Denis and I'm sick of these fules prices Denis.

 

[blues4flag]

yep, the bullants performance has got to be the fault of pagan. And Denis must be ashamed of the way Melbourne played last night, surely Denis can do better than that. Brock would still be alive if it wasn't for Denis and I'm sick of these fules prices Denis.

Not to mention world hunger and war.

 

[celtic_pride]

Who really cares about the VFL anyway ???
Baz Mitchell has been pivotal to the rise and rise of Setanta O'Halipin and a few other youngsters at the Bullants and that can only be a good thing.
I consider the VFL / Bullants as more of an development league then an second tier reserves comp.
I mean I'm far more interested in the form of the likes of Setanta and Jesse Smith and Blackwell then Daniel Harford or Digby Morell.

 

[bluevegas]

Who really cares about the VFL anyway ???
Baz Mitchell has been pivotal to the rise and rise of Setanta O'Halipin and a few other youngsters at the Bullants and that can only be a good thing.
I consider the VFL / Bullants as more of an development league then an second tier reserves comp.
I mean I'm far more interested in the form of the likes of Setanta and Jesse Smith and Blackwell then Daniel Harford or Digby Morell.

I care, you should too. For the second tier playing group from the blues to continue their progress players like Harford & Morell are vital to provide leadership & guidance.

The reason for the reply to your post is a disagreement to your statement the rise & rise of Setanta O'Halipin. I truly believe that most Carlton supporters are swept up on the romance of bringing a player from the other side of the world & turning him into a cult figure. Reality is that he has taken a while to find a position that will be natural to him. His skills are still quite poor & hasn't taken large steps forward but I can not fault his endeavour.

This would be great if we are watching school kids football but this is the big league or in the VFL's case it's the next league down. I would like to see some else get a second chance or a late developer play over this experiment.

 

[Bluebear]

I care, you should too. For the second tier playing group from the blues to continue their progress players like Harford & Morell are vital to provide leadership & guidance.

The reason for the reply to your post is a disagreement to your statement the rise & rise of Setanta O'Halipin. I truly believe that most Carlton supporters are swept up on the romance of bringing a player from the other side of the world & turning him into a cult figure. Reality is that he has taken a while to find a position that will be natural to him. His skills are still quite poor & hasn't taken large steps forward but I can not fault his endeavour.

This would be great if we are watching school kids football but this is the big league or in the VFL's case it's the next league down. I would like to see some else get a second chance or a late developer play over this experiment.

I'm sure Chris Grant and Barry Hall won't appreciate being referred to as schoolkids - and he did nicley on both these guys during the season.
I think your a very hard judge to say he hasn't taken large steps. To be among the top 5 players in a crap side as he was against Sydney, and Essendon, for a guy thats learning the game..........in all honesty, guys like McLaren, Deluca and co should be inspired by him. He shows more endeavour, and his kills are improving exponentially.
Decision making is the main area that lets him down now, but standing next to Lance helped him with this aspect late in the year as well.
More Irish recruits I say. Bring on Aisake!

 

[Effes]

I care, you should too. For the second tier playing group from the blues to continue their progress players like Harford & Morell are vital to provide leadership & guidance.

The reason for the reply to your post is a disagreement to your statement the rise & rise of Setanta O'Halipin. I truly believe that most Carlton supporters are swept up on the romance of bringing a player from the other side of the world & turning him into a cult figure. Reality is that he has taken a while to find a position that will be natural to him. His skills are still quite poor & hasn't taken large steps forward but I can not fault his endeavour.

This would be great if we are watching school kids football but this is the big league or in the VFL's case it's the next league down. I would like to see some else get a second chance or a late developer play over this experiment.

How many times have you seen Setanta play?

 

[bluevegas]

How many times have you seen Setanta play?

Every game

Including yesterday, when he played on from a kick in run around 3 players then kicked it out of bounds, resulting in a goal to Sandy. Sums up my post exactly.

question Carlos or Jarrod Rivers (melb), Michael Johnson (freo) or any other 3rd string backman. As I stated don't get too caught up with the romance of an Irish kid playing the aussie game.

 

[HBF]

Too many players that are very good at VFL level, but just can't make that transition to AFL level. Guys like

Ian Prendergast
Callum Chambers
Trent Sporn
Dylan McLaren
David Teague

 

[Bluebear]

Every game

Including yesterday, when he played on from a kick in run around 3 players then kicked it out of bounds, resulting in a goal to Sandy. Sums up my post exactly.

question Carlos or Jarrod Rivers (melb), Michael Johnson (freo) or any other 3rd string backman. As I stated don't get too caught up with the romance of an Irish kid playing the aussie game.

Guess you were getting a pie in the Tiges game when he marked on defensive 50, took two bounces, kicked a millimetre perfect pass to Tex inside F50 who went on to slot the goal.
Sure he has plenty to work on, but to put it all down to hype and "Romance" is complete crap.
You could review every player in the comp and find an instance where they play on or take a risk and stuff it up, but at least he's prepared to back himself. The reason why he kicked OOB was becasue of his decision making - didn't have the ability to think quick about a target once he had run past 3 guys, kicked under pressure and slewed off the boot. I saw a number of these in the Doggies game last night and they are known for their kicking ability.
I think you're being very harsh. I notice you didn't respond to the comments re Grant and Hall. Its not romance - its development, and he has (along with Simo and Tex) been the big mover at the club in this regard.

 

[bluevegas]

Guess you were getting a pie in the Tiges game when he marked on defensive 50, took two bounces, kicked a millimetre perfect pass to Tex inside F50 who went on to slot the goal.
Sure he has plenty to work on, but to put it all down to hype and "Romance" is complete crap.
You could review every player in the comp and find an instance where they play on or take a risk and stuff it up, but at least he's prepared to back himself. The reason why he kicked OOB was becasue of his decision making - didn't have the ability to think quick about a target once he had run past 3 guys, kicked under pressure and slewed off the boot. I saw a number of these in the Doggies game last night and they are known for their kicking ability.
I think you're being very harsh. I notice you didn't respond to the comments re Grant and Hall. Its not romance - its development, and he has (along with Simo and Tex) been the big mover at the club in this regard.

You are answering the thread yourself even if it was supposed to be about Barry Mitchell. I support the blues, i want them to finish as high as possible sure some development is needed even in the AFL not the VFL. I'm sorry i was under the impression that we lost both games against the Sydney & the dogs. I saw him make numerous clangers like most at Carlton that's why we are the cellar dwellers. I get more excited in seeing the development of Blackers than carlos. IMO the won't be as good as an player like fisher who were also picked up with late draft picks.

 

[Bluebear]

You are answering the thread yourself even if it was supposed to be about Barry Mitchell. I support the blues, i want them to finish as high as possible sure some development is needed even in the AFL not the VFL. I'm sorry i was under the impression that we lost both games against the Sydney & the dogs. I saw him make numerous clangers like most at Carlton that's why we are the cellar dwellers. I get more excited in seeing the development of Blackers than carlos. IMO the won't be as good as an player like fisher who were also picked up with late draft picks.

Stop the press..........(does Carro know?).............its not the draft penalties, years of bad drafting, corrupt administration........or even Pagan's fault we are cellar dwellers.......aparently its the poor disposal of Setanta.
Please bluevegas.....enlighten us some more with your unique perspective on the game, truly amazing stuff.

 

[bluevegas]

Stop the press..........(does Carro know?).............its not the draft penalties, years of bad drafting, corrupt administration........or even Pagan's fault we are cellar dwellers.......aparently its the poor disposal of Setanta.
Please bluevegas.....enlighten us some more with your unique perspective on the game, truly amazing stuff.

Sorry you have taken me out of context but the clangers comment, bad disposal, poor skills, lack of willingness to do the tough stuff is why we are cellar dwellers. Meaning the whole list is at fault, sure some have had fantastic years, some have improved from last but the majority have been well below whats required of AFL standard. In some areas Carlos did improve re markedly ( he found that he could play down back instead of in the forward line). But he is a serial offender on Clangers. Obviously one player doesn't bring a club to finish last two years in a row. But you go on blaming everyelse for our troubles. That will make us improve, are you by chance a politician.

Great keep bring up the past but move on.

 

[Bluebear]

No probs. Just don' t think you should hang Carlos out to dry for this one, when guys that were born with footies in their hands have had more clangers this year than him (Stevens, hoops).
The FACT is that his kicking has improved greatly, its his decision making that lets him down. I notice you didn't mention the 40 left foot pass to Diggers the week before, or the FACT that he is now the preferred option for kick ins.
Sure he still makes mistakes, but no more than his team mates.......its just that because he is 2m tall and a bit ungainly he stands out and is a SOFT target for your criticism. I'm not a politician, I'm just a huge fan of anyone with a big heart who shows that they want to do anything to make this club great again.
Carlos is learnig very quickly and will play 22 senior games next year barring injury, not because the fans want it or its romantic, but because he has lept ahead of several in the key defenders stakes. Now you might say its no great effort to push ahead of Livo as a key defender, but I would disagree. By AFL standards he is crap but go one level down and Livo is a great defender. Carlos is now better after just 3 short years.

Back to the thread topic, Mitchell is a great guy, and a good VFL coach.....not a great one. He is a very good metor for young guys but lacked the right decisions at selection and on the day taking too long to make changes.
His 1/4 time speech wasn't inspirational at all........my wife (who wasn't watching but could here the speech) commented immediately after "God that sounded so fake". Clearly the guys thought the same, as did I, because it didn't inspire them at all.
Would be good to keep on as assistant for the mentoring part, but would be happier to see Ratten appointed next year.

 

[bibi01]

I thought the Carlton player's lacked talent with no depth!! That's what I hear all the time. Suddenly they go back to the VFL and they're the best list. The Carlton players are coached by Pagan during the season and left to Mitchell to get the best out of them in the VFL. Given the rabble we are you can only do so much. Let's hope pagan ends up at the Saints.

too many players on carlton's list are not qute good enough to be consistent performers at afl but they are in the top bracket of players at vfl level, hence finishing at the top for the last 2 seasons

why is it during the season mitchell gets the pats on the back for only losing 1game, but came finals time when we can't get past the PF it is pagan's fault?

as for training
1st recovery session
2nd training session of the week, the whole list generally train together
3rd training of the week carlton sqaud 22-25 traon with pagan and the weekends bullanst players train with mitchell

not to mention mitchell is an assistant for carlton also, so if anything he spends more time withthe fringe playes than anyone else.

 

[BlueWorld]

No probs. Just don' t think you should hang Carlos out to dry for this one, when guys that were born with footies in their hands have had more clangers this year than him
The FACT is that his kicking has improved greatly, its his decision making that lets him down. I notice you didn't mention the 40 left foot pass to Diggers the week before, or the FACT that he is now the preferred option for kick ins.
Sure he still makes mistakes, but no more than his team mates.......

Well of course other players (Stevens, hoops) have made more clangers than him. They've also played a lot more football than him and got a lot more of the ball. The FACT is Setanta made 19 clangers from 11 games and 101 disposals -19%. Compare that to Stevens- 54 from 20 games and 467 disposals- 11.6%. Hoops 50 clangers from 22 games and 467 disposals- 10.7%. So you're wrong that he makes no more mistakes than his team mates and is one of the highest at the club for the amount of games he played and possessions he got.

 

[Bluebear]

Well of course other players (Stevens, hoops) have made more clangers than him. They've also played a lot more football than him and got a lot more of the ball. The FACT is Setanta made 19 clangers from 11 games and 101 disposals -19%. Compare that to Stevens- 54 from 20 games and 467 disposals- 11.6%. Hoops 50 clangers from 22 games and 467 disposals- 10.7%. So you're wrong that he makes no more mistakes than his team mates and is one of the highest at the club for the amount of games he played and possessions he got.

Fair enough........can we factor in number of years played?? Or maybe this year vs last year?