Bees v Bendigo

[X_box_X]

In: Wiggins, Gilbee, Boyd - (He's been playing well for Werribee)
Out: Robbins, Alvey, McMahon

 

[mel 40]

Originally posted by X_box_X
In: Wiggins, Gilbee, Boyd - (He's been playing well for Werribee)
Out: Robbins, Alvey, McMahon

Boydy cant play, hes on the rookie list. Unless they have put him on the senior list because of alves.

 

[mels]

Dont jump the gun....Robbins may still play....they will be monitoring him

 

[Chops]

Originally posted by X_box_X
In: Wiggins, Gilbee, Boyd - (He's been playing well for Werribee)
Out: Robbins, Alvey, McMahon

Wiggins? If they put him on the bench for 2+ quarters you might as well give him another Werribee game.

What have Hargrave and Power done to keep their spots. The defence lacks height but no wants Harris in?

 

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by Chops
The defence lacks height but no wants Harris in?

I thought they should have stuck with him from round one. Against the Lions he would be a decent option to play against Jonathon Brown. He will definitely be required against the Saints

 

[SonOfScray]

I would think that Harris would be chance to be named. At least I want him to play, if players are going to be played on potential / size rather than deserved form than surely the bigger bodied defender in Harris should get the nod.

 

[-PC28-]

Originally posted by mel 40
Boydy cant play, hes on the rookie list. Unless they have put him on the senior list because of alves.

Or Grant?

 

[mels]

Originally posted by -PC28-
Or Grant?

I got a feelin its gonna have implications on the old $$$ factor. Not his talent or ability

 

[Doggiesrule1020]

I have a feeling about that to mels hes been playing well hasnt he boydy i mean.Hopefuly he may be able to get his chance durring the season.

 

[sigscotty]

Originally posted by Chops
The defence lacks height but no wants Harris in?

I would have:

In: Wiggins(obvioulsy under my plan he would get game time, otherwise another week for the bees),

Harris (upsize the backline)

Gilbee

Out: Alvey,

Hargrave(needs to go back and find some touch),

McMahon (not sure why he was in so quickly after coming back from pre season. think his form is on the improve, but somebody has to make way for Gilbee who seems a certain inclusion)

 

[SonOfScray]

Totally agree with those changes there Sig. If Harrison was fit I'd bring him back into the side as well.

 

[-PC28-]

Originally posted by mels
I got a feelin its gonna have implications on the old $$$ factor. Not his talent or ability

Rookies are apart of the 92.5% anyway.

So wouldn't someone (meaning our only rookie) have already been promoted for Grant?

 

[Westy_Boy]

Originally posted by -PC28-
Rookies are apart of the 92.5% anyway.

So wouldn't someone (meaning our only rookie) have already been promoted for Grant?

Before Alvey got injured, Boyd playing senior footy wasn't definite. Until he's a genuine chance at a senior call up (which he might be, I dunno), he should stay on the rookie list IMO - we made the same mistake with promoting Fuller a couple of years ago which in the end proved pointless.

BTW rookies are outside the salary cap - I'm also pretty sure that we'd have to give him a base contract (double the amount we're currently paying him) if we promoted him.

 

[-PC28-]

Originally posted by Westy_Boy
Before Alvey got injured, Boyd playing senior footy wasn't definite. Until he's a genuine chance at a senior call up (which he might be, I dunno), he should stay on the rookie list IMO - we made the same mistake with promoting Fuller a couple of years ago which in the end proved pointless.

BTW rookies are outside the salary cap - I'm also pretty sure that we'd have to give him a base contract (double the amount we're currently paying him) if we promoted him.

Cheers Westy. I'm original comment should have had a ? at the end as i wasn't sure if they were part of the cap or not.

I think there's a bit of a list above Boyd to take Alves place, so I don't think promoting him would do much either.

 

[Chops]

Originally posted by Westy_Boy
Before Alvey got injured, Boyd playing senior footy wasn't definite. Until he's a genuine chance at a senior call up (which he might be, I dunno), he should stay on the rookie list IMO - we made the same mistake with promoting Fuller a couple of years ago which in the end proved pointless.

BTW rookies are outside the salary cap - I'm also pretty sure that we'd have to give him a base contract (double the amount we're currently paying him) if we promoted him.

Comparing Fuller to Boyd is like comparing apples to oranges. Fuller was already rejected by Collingwood. There have been plenty of rookie at other clubs that have become good players. Why can't Boyd? On form should be playing seniors (in best every week).

Apart from the money issue what else do you see as a problem?
What are his playing limitations?

Maybe same or differnet issue, but who can replace Robbins as a hard at it, small defender?

 

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by Chops
Apart from the money issue what else do you see as a problem?
What are his playing limitations?

Maybe same or differnet issue, but who can replace Robbins as a hard at it, small defender?

The only possible downside to Boyd is he might not have the pace that most believe is really required at the senior level.
We have kept him on as a rookie so for mine we must see something in him. Bugger the financials, lets move him onto the senior list and lets see if he can make it.

 

[Chops]

Originally posted by OldSchool
The only possible downside to Boyd is he might not have the pace that most believe is really required at the senior level.

Is it Poise or just being slow?
Looks great when he has it but can he get it at afl level?

 

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by Chops
Is it Poise or just being slow?
Looks great when he has it but can he get it at afl level?

I think he might be a step slow. With the way we are racking up injuries, I think we will find out in the next two weeks.

 

[madone]

Originally posted by Westy_Boy
BTW rookies are outside the salary cap - I'm also pretty sure that we'd have to give him a base contract (double the amount we're currently paying him) if we promoted him.

Westy, aren't players (clubs) covered by some form of insurance that would cover their salaries of the injured players and allow rookies to move up?

 

[tige19]

Originally posted by mels
Orwin didn't walk out...he was kicked out after his display against coburg in round 1

Orwin left on his own account stop talkin crap about stuff you have no idea about.

Reasons for Brad Murphy not playing in the seniors on Sunday have nothing to do with personal reasons.

cheers

 

[Westy_Boy]

Originally posted by Chops
Comparing Fuller to Boyd is like comparing apples to oranges. Fuller was already rejected by Collingwood. There have been plenty of rookie at other clubs that have become good players. Why can't Boyd?

Chops,

I wasn't judging Boyd, nor comparing him and Fuller as players - I was just saying that with a couple of spots free on our list, the situation is similar. From memory, Fuller's promotion came after Wills' retirement mid-season - given that he wasn't even named as an emergency for the remaining games in the season, it looked like the promotion was just for the sake of filling the remaining spot on the list.

Don't get me wrong, he's got talent and if the footy department think he's good enough to cut it at senior level for the rest of this season (and career for that matter), he should be promoted. But if they're gonna promote him just because we have a couple of long term injuries without a view to giving a genuine opportunity to show his stuff at AFL level, there's not much point in doing it.

 

[OldSchool]

Robbins / Boyd

Out of the Sun today.

WESTERN Bulldogs defender Matthew Robbins looks certain to miss at least four weeks with a neck injury.

Tingling feeling: Matthew Robbins has two small cracks in two separate vertebrae.
It is understood Robbins, grounded by a brutal blow to the back of his neck during the game against Essendon on Saturday night, has small cracks in two separate vertebrae.

Robbins has since suffered tingles and numbness in his left arm, but the Bulldogs have stressed the injury is not career-threatening.

Robbins could play a non-contact sport today, but the club will take precautions to protect him from further damage from the rigours of football.

The Bulldogs initially thought Robbins could miss just one game, but he now looks destined for an extended layoff.

Robbins, taken to hospital for tests at halftime, will see another specialist within days when his short-term future will become clearer.

The Bulldogs, also reeling from another major injury blow in the VFL on Sunday, will consider promoting their only rookie, Matthew Boyd.

Draftee Cameron Faulkner cracked a bone in his left foot playing for Werribee at Bendigo and will miss up to six weeks.

Faulkner, taken at No.17 in last year's draft, was on the brink of senior selection.

With Chris Grant and Mark Alvey already gone for the season and Robbins' short-term future uncertain, the Dogs' limited depth is being sorely tested.

They entered the season with a list of 38 and have already been forced to use 29 in four rounds.

And the Dogs totally bypassed the rookie draft, retaining 20-year-old Boyd, but making no other selections.

Most clubs have five to six rookies, giving them more flexibility to cover long-term injuries. But the Bulldogs yesterday denied the decision to go one-out on the rookie list had been driven by finances.

"It wasn't a cost-saving decision. It was a talent-based decision," football manager Stephen Newport said.

The Bulldogs decided there was nobody worthy of selection in the secondary draft.

"Only time will tell whether that was a good call or a bad call. But that was a call made by our recruiters at the time," Newport said.

Boyd, a consistent ball-winner so far for Werribee, suddenly finds himself in contention for an instant leap from the rookie list to the seniors against Brisbane on Sunday.

"In match committee tomorrow, I'm sure his will be a name that is thrown around," Newport said yesterday.

"He's been really good for Werribee. He's got a good frame on him. He's not like a skinny kid playing down there."

Faulkner is likely to have a pin inserted in his left foot.

"He went to push off on one side, changed direction, and the bone's cracked," Newport said. "He's had problems with his feet in the past; he's had stress fractures there before."

Alvey will have surgery to reconstruct his left knee in about 10 days.

 

[Chops]

Originally posted by Westy_Boy
Chops,

I wasn't judging Boyd, nor comparing him and Fuller as players - I was just saying that with a couple of spots free on our list, the situation is similar. From memory, Fuller's promotion came after Wills' retirement mid-season - given that he wasn't even named as an emergency for the remaining games in the season, it looked like the promotion was just for the sake of filling the remaining spot on the list.

Don't get me wrong, he's got talent and if the footy department think he's good enough to cut it at senior level for the rest of this season (and career for that matter), he should be promoted. But if they're gonna promote him just because we have a couple of long term injuries without a view to giving a genuine opportunity to show his stuff at AFL level, there's not much point in doing it.

Fair enough Westy
I'd promote him this week and straight in to the seniors.

 

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by Chops
Fair enough Westy
I'd promote him this week and straight in to the seniors.

Chops, Is there a match-up you would think he is suited to ?

 

[Chops]

Originally posted by OldSchool
Chops, Is there a match-up you would think he is suited to ?

Obviously one of the midfielders? Can he run out the game?
Black? Voss?
What a step up!!!
What is he like mentally? is he likely to give it 110% knowing it could be his 1 and only chance? Ala Peverill?