Ben Simmons will be an NBA bust

[TheMagicTouch]

He has officially quit LSU today and moved to Phoenix to get his body, mind and hopefully a jump shot ready for the NBA draft.

In my opinion, due to the fact he doesn't have a jump shot a 12 year old would be proud of, I think he will get quickly found out and end up being a 10 points, 7 rebounds and 3 assists player in his NBA career.

I'm calling it now, he will be a massive bust.

My 3 reason he will be a bust.

• Poor attitude
• Won't take coaching direction
• Immature towards a professional environment.

Hope the LA Laker draft him and they stink it up for another 10 years.

 

[Van_Dyke]

He has officially quit LSU today and moved to Phoenix to get his body, mind and hopefully a jump shot ready for the NBA draft.

In my opinion, due to the fact he doesn't have a jump shot a 12 year old would be proud of, I think he will get quickly found out and end up being a 10 points, 7 rebounds and 3 assists player in his NBA career.

I'm calling it now, he will be a massive bust.

My 3 reason he will be a bust.

• Poor attitude
• Won't take coaching direction
• Immature towards a professional environment.

Hope the LA Laker draft him and they stink it up for another 10 years.

Someone's going to be met with the force of peternorth's ban hammer

 

[Footypie32]

Jump shots are one of the easiest parts of your game to fix.

 

[TheMagicTouch]

Someone's going to be met with the force of peternorth's ban hammer

I'm happy to call him a bust.

 

[TheMagicTouch]

Jump shots are one of the easiest parts of your game to fix.

And yet, he still hasn't done it.

I guess that's like saying, kicking a drop punt is easy to fix. Plenty of AFL players can not kick and never fix that aspect of the game.

 

[Footypie32]

And yet, he still hasn't done it.

I guess that's like saying, kicking a drop punt is easy to fix. Plenty of AFL players can not kick and never fix that aspect of the game.

Apples and oranges. AFL is stuck in the dark ages when it comes to technical stuff like that.

Lebron was a terrible jump shooter when he was drafted.

 

[TheMagicTouch]

Apples and oranges. AFL is stuck in the dark ages when it comes to technical stuff like that.

Lebron was a terrible jump shooter when he was drafted.

How so?

They are both a demonstrated skill and they are both how you execute that skill.

It will come back to his attitude and work ethic. Does he want to improve it or is he simply happy to cuise along with his current jump shot.

 

[PendlesPremiers]

I know you're just being hyperbolic for attention, but he's put up historically great numbers in college (with a weak supporting cast that struggled to make the most of all the open looks he was creating and couldn't provide an offensive threat to divert the defense's attention away from him), is seen as a top-two pick by every single expert and has the physical tools to have an immediate impact.

Stop being silly.

 

[peternorth]

many players have come through with a less than decent J.

rubio for example. however his game is predicated on vision, passing and assisting.

simmons has a skill set that if in the right environment will flourish.

 

[peternorth]

lakers are a great fit

 

[TheMagicTouch]

many players have come through with a less than decent J.

rubio for example. however his game is predicated on vision, passing and assisting.

simmons has a skill set that if in the right environment will flourish.

And if it's not?

I can see him clashing with Byron Scott (but it's a good chance he will get fired)

 

[smashh]

Apples and oranges. AFL is stuck in the dark ages when it comes to technical stuff like that.

Lebron was a terrible jump shooter when he was drafted.

Yeah, he shot 63-217 (29%) from 3 and 347-460 (75%) from the line in his rookie year.
Compare that to this season where he is 74-257 (29%) and 319-442 (72%) and you can see he's really come a long way!

Was going to rubbish on this rubbish thread, but figured your statement at least validated a response instead. I'm just not sure there are that many guys that have really "fixed" a broken jumper. I suppose Kawhi is one who has come a fair way with it, but I don't think his jumper was ever at the "broken" stage. It certainly is an aspect that can be improved though - and is probably a lot easier to teach than some of the things that Ben already has right now.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

10 points 7 rebounds 3 assists?
Come on he'd have to **** up gigantically to average that.

 

[smashh]

10 points 7 rebounds 3 assists?
Come on he'd have to **** up gigantically to average that.

Yep. For some comparison, Michael Beasley's career avgs are 13ppg, 5rpg, 1.3apg.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Yeah, he shot 63-217 (29%) from 3 and 347-460 (75%) from the line in his rookie year.
Compare that to this season where he is 74-257 (29%) and 319-442 (72%) and you can see he's really come a long way!

Was going to rubbish on this rubbish thread, but figured your statement at least validated a response instead. I'm just not sure there are that many guys that have really "fixed" a broken jumper. I suppose Kawhi is one who has come a fair way with it, but I don't think his jumper was ever at the "broken" stage. It certainly is an aspect that can be improved though - and is probably a lot easier to teach than some of the things that Ben already has right now.

http://grantland.com/features/the-shot-doctor/

Kawhi's jump shot was absolutely broken when he came to the Spurs.

"As DraftExpress noted before the 2011 lottery, virtually every one of Leonard’s shooting metrics from his time at San Diego State were abysmal"

Chip Engellend basically changed every single thing about Kawhi's jumpshot, and it has taken a whole lot of work from day 1 after the draft to now, for him to become one of the top 3-pt shooters in the league. Engellend did similar work with Parker and Bowen.
Players can make massive changes to their jump shooting, it just takes the right attitude, the right coaching and the right environment... I think Simmon's could easily do it as well if the right things fall into place.

I'm ignoring OP because it is clearly a troll thread looking for responses.

 

[Superstar swan]

He has a lot of develooment to do, but he will not be a bust.

We wont see the realy ben simmons in the first season or two as he develops his jumper. Bit he will be a very good player early. Tonne of athleticism with outstanding basketball iq. I have no doubt he can develop his jumper to a similar level as lebron. Not great, but enough to be a threat. Cannot wait for the next year!!

 

[Upgrayedd]

too skilled and fluent at the game to be a bust. Shoots with the wrong hand, give it two years and he'll get opponents to respect his jump shot

 

[PP34]

Funny how the lack of a prolonged NCAA campaign is starting to create negative views about Simmons. Instead of possibly playing right now, putting on a show against the better college teams and having everyone talk about that, he's got reporters and fans beginning to look closely at how his season played out.

I've watched highlights of his for most of the season, but never a full game so I'm no expert. Since day one I've been so-so about him becoming a LeBron like talent, his tweener like size and just the fact that I've played sport against him and trained for rep basketball makes it hard to believe this kid could end up an NBA hall of famer. Never seemed anything incredibly special to me until he started gearing up for high school basketball in the US and then put on shows over there.

His jumper for sure needs work. He will be a great detriment to a team offensively in the mold of a Rondo making it incredibly hard to have any kind of consistent offensive flow, and creating the requirement to have an elite offensive talent on court with him at all times. Otherwise teams can just play to that jumpshot, and the four other offensive players will find getting good looks tough, even with Simmons ability to blow by and find others.

Those who talk about Kawhi and LeBron's improvement shooting wise are definitely right. Even still, shooting coaches getting those type of results aren't a given, and some players just don't put in the required effort to fix their shot. I'd argue that LeBron's jumpshot is still pretty ordinary. If he had a legitimate jumpshot, one that he wouldn't ever hesitate to use, he'd probably be the greatest ever. Compare that to Simmons who isn't the athletic freak LeBron is, and you can see why the jumpshot weakness could be a worry.

I'd still take him number one and see him being a very valuable NBA player, but I'm not totally sold on this franchise cornerstone talk yet. His passing is great, his finishing with the bizarre right handed favouring at the ring will make stopping him there tough and he understands the game. If he's going to be a franchise player, he'd have to be a incredibly offensive talent or a great two way player. The incredible offensive talent is a possibility, but again relates to the jumper and his effort. Defensively, I don't hold much hope for him ever being great.

I just get a bit of a feeling he's one of those prospects who needs a bit of luck in finding a situation where their tweener size is a positive. Just think of someone like Draymond Green who five years ago probably never would've seen NBA minutes, but was lucky enough to find himself on a team needing defence and a four man that could help rotate the ball, with his combination of big man defence and guard skills being a great fit.

 

[DaveyBoy123]

http://grantland.com/features/the-shot-doctor/

"As DraftExpress noted before the 2011 lottery, virtually every one of Leonard’s shooting metrics from his time at San Diego State were abysmal"

Fascinating reading drf. Thanks for the links.

 

[Lockyer24]

He's such a great team player, I believe he will succeed. 100%

 

[quin_stick]

Bust is a strong word, but I don't think he'll ever be a top 10 player. I reckon he tops out as a poor man's Blake Griffin with better passing, which is still pretty damn good but maybe not as good as you'd hope for with #1. Depending on the situation I'd definitely consider Ingram over him.

 

[PP34]

He's such a great team player, I believe he will succeed. 100%

If you're ignoring how poor his defence was this season, along with his ability to ruin offensive flow due to his poor jumper, sure.

 

[peternorth]

he may be a "bust" but then again he might succeed

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

Tall poppy syndrome in full effect before the kid has even played an NBA game.

 

[peternorth]

Tall poppy syndrome in full effect before the kid has even played an NBA game.

he is tall for 6'10"