Ben Simmons will be an NBA bust

[DT_35]

Right now I would have Tatum as the ROTY.

Tatum ain't even ahead of Mitchell or Kuzma, let alone Simmons..

 

[maryjames]

I find it very strange with almost the entire year off he didn't improve his shot, will be pretty easy to defend if he only has 1 scoring avenue.

Can't see the Duncan comparisons.

His on Court demeanour is like Duncan. The way he “handles” himself.

 

[danielnajdek]

Tatum ain't even ahead of Mitchell or Kuzma, let alone Simmons..

Has to be Tatum because he can shoot from 3

This fascination with being able to shoot 3's does my head in. Nearly averaging 10 rebounds and 8 assists. He doesn't just score he gets his team mates involved.

 

[jdz101]

Tatum ain't even ahead of Mitchell or Kuzma, let alone Simmons..

Tatum is better than those two in pretty much every metric of scoring efficiency. When you look at advanced metrics in terms of actual impact to the team they're playing for, it isn't close.

When you also consider age aswell, Tatum is the better prospect out of the 3, IMO.

Has to be Tatum because he can shoot from 3

This fascination with being able to shoot 3's does my head in. Nearly averaging 10 rebounds and 8 assists. He doesn't just score he gets his team mates involved.

Yet another idiotic post from you with little knowledge of the player you're discussing.

Tatum has shown the ability to score in all ways - AND make the long ball.

 

[BEEG]

Has to be Tatum because he can shoot from 3

This fascination with being able to shoot 3's does my head in. Nearly averaging 10 rebounds and 8 assists. He doesn't just score he gets his team mates involved.

Tatum shoots from everywhere and can drive the ball.

 

[nahnah]

right now the ROY top 5 would look like this imo

1. Simmons
2. Kuzma
3. Tatum
4. Mitchell
5. Markkanen

with honourable mentions to Collins, Smith and Ball

 

[stewie griffen]

right now the ROY top 5 would look like this imo

1. Simmons
2. Kuzma
3. Tatum
4. Mitchell
5. Markkanen

with honourable mentions to Collins, Smith and Ball

1. Lauri
2. Lauri
3. Lauri
4. Simmons
5. Lauri

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[didaksrightfoot]

Tatum is better than those two in pretty much every metric of scoring efficiency. When you look at advanced metrics in terms of actual impact to the team they're playing for, it isn't close.

When you also consider age aswell, Tatum is the better prospect out of the 3, IMO.


Yet another idiotic post from you with little knowledge of the player you're discussing.

Tatum has shown the ability to score in all ways - AND make the long ball.

But its the age old dilemma of ability vs role... and effiency stats are very much confounded by the role someone is playing and what system it is within.

How would Mitchell/Kuzma do in a slightly more limited role but within an elite structure? (Maybe include Ben in that). How would Tatum do if asked to be the primary ball handler/scorer on a young/struggling team?

I dont think you can answer that on less than 40 games of NBA basketball, let alone a year. I have no problem with putting those 3 guys in any position 2-4 in the ROY race and you could argue a case for either. (Personally I would go Tatum, Mitchell, Kuz).

What I dont think you can argue is that any of those guys is ahead of Simmons. You give any team a theoretical pick 1 to chose from those guys and I am extremely confident that 30 out of 30 will choose Ben - it really isnt that close. In fact, I would be very surprised if any of those guys takes even a single first placed vote off Ben (depending on however the voting is done now)... assuming he plays 60+ games and stays around a 17-8-7 pace.

 

[jdz101]

But its the age old dilemma of ability vs role... and effiency stats are very much confounded by the role someone is playing and what system it is within.

How would Mitchell/Kuzma do in a slightly more limited role but within an elite structure? (Maybe include Ben in that). How would Tatum do if asked to be the primary ball handler/scorer on a young/struggling team?

I dont think you can answer that on less than 40 games of NBA basketball, let alone a year. I have no problem with putting those 3 guys in any position 2-4 in the ROY race and you could argue a case for either. (Personally I would go Tatum, Mitchell, Kuz).

What I dont think you can argue is that any of those guys is ahead of Simmons. You give any team a theoretical pick 1 to chose from those guys and I am extremely confident that 30 out of 30 will choose Ben - it really isnt that close. In fact, I would be very surprised if any of those guys takes even a single first placed vote off Ben (depending on however the voting is done now)... assuming he plays 60+ games and stays around a 17-8-7 pace.

I agree with pretty much all of that.

Was just making the point that Tatum is far far more than an elite spot up shooter because of Brad's system. That's just a shit take. There are plenty of other guys in Brad's system that can't shoot or score worth a damn.

He has shown the ability to score at an elite clip in all ways. Once brad increases his looks and he starts shooting Mitchell's sort of volume, he will be a force.

He's 4th in overall scoring efficiency for players using over 10 possessions per game next to curry and Anthony Davis. And he's 19 years old.

With that said, Ben Simmons is still by far the obvious choice for ROY.

 

[jdz101]

 

[dirty2]

He has officially quit LSU today and moved to Phoenix to get his body, mind and hopefully a jump shot ready for the NBA draft.

In my opinion, due to the fact he doesn't have a jump shot a 12 year old would be proud of, I think he will get quickly found out and end up being a 10 points, 7 rebounds and 3 assists player in his NBA career.

I'm calling it now, he will be a massive bust.

My 3 reason he will be a bust.

• Poor attitude
• Won't take coaching direction
• Immature towards a professional environment.

Hope the LA Laker draft him and they stink it up for another 10 years.

What is this shit? Better chance of goat.

 

[Denkverbot]

Right now I would have Tatum as the ROTY.

Mitchell, Simmons, Kuzma and Markkanen all above Tatum for ROTY at this stage. You could even argue Smith Jnr and Collins are above him too.

 

[BEEG]

Mitchell, Simmons, Kuzma and Markkanen all above Tatum for ROTY at this stage. You could even argue Smith Jnr and Collins are above him too.

I'm a Mavs supporter no way is Smith Jr currently in front of Tatum.

 

[PP34]

Yeah, nah - barring something extraordinary, Ben will be unanimous ROTY.

And why compare him to Gasol, Horford and Boogie? (And which Anthony are you referring him to?)

Ben is putting up all round numbers not really seen since Magic, and only bested by O. He is undoubtedly gonna have rookie fatigue sink in over the 2nd half of the year (unless the extra year of NBA training plays a factor), teams are working him out, and he clearly needs to work on that jumpshot.

But you have to remember, Magic couldn't shoot his entire career, and Jason Kidd couldn't for the first half of his.

At his basement, even if he barely develops any extra skills from here, Ben will be a perennial all-star who could play an important role on some very good teams - I'd say halfway between Odom and Magic.

Put in the right amount of work ethic to cover those gaps in his game, and he should use guys like Lebron and Kawhi as examples, and the sky really is the limit.

Honestly doubt he’ll be the unanimous ROY. Mitchell has mounted a serious case lately and doesn’t deserve to be discounted. Same with Tatum even though his raw stats aren’t as gaudy. And of course Kuzma.

I’m a bit worried that the rookies outside of Simmons are going to be negatively impacted by the media narrative that Simmons had it locked up after a week. It happened with Curry missing out in 2010, and I swear there’s another ROY race I’m missing.

Also Kidd could shoot the mid range shot. He wasn’t great at it but he wasn’t completely afraid of taking jumpers either. Since when did Magic lack a jumper? He could drain the mid range jumper with ease and had a very clever post game.

I don’t get why people continue to act like Simmons’ lack of a jumper isn’t a genuine concern. Teams will just refuse to guard him in the heat of a playoff series and it will significantly impact his team’s offence. He needs to develop some sort of stroke.

 

[Dags21]

Honestly doubt he’ll be the unanimous ROY. Mitchell has mounted a serious case lately and doesn’t deserve to be discounted. Same with Tatum even though his raw stats aren’t as gaudy. And of course Kuzma.

I’m a bit worried that the rookies outside of Simmons are going to be negatively impacted by the media narrative that Simmons had it locked up after a week. It happened with Curry missing out in 2010, and I swear there’s another ROY race I’m missing.

Also Kidd could shoot the mid range shot. He wasn’t great at it but he wasn’t completely afraid of taking jumpers either. Since when did Magic lack a jumper? He could drain the mid range jumper with ease and had a very clever post game.

I don’t get why people continue to act like Simmons’ lack of a jumper isn’t a genuine concern. Teams will just refuse to guard him in the heat of a playoff series and it will significantly impact his team’s offence. He needs to develop some sort of stroke.

Did u consider Lebron a good shooter his rookie year? And if not, when?
There’s years to get his shooting up to par. It’s not like phila are pushing for the championship this year


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[dirty2]

Honestly doubt he’ll be the unanimous ROY. Mitchell has mounted a serious case lately and doesn’t deserve to be discounted. Same with Tatum even though his raw stats aren’t as gaudy. And of course Kuzma.

I’m a bit worried that the rookies outside of Simmons are going to be negatively impacted by the media narrative that Simmons had it locked up after a week. It happened with Curry missing out in 2010, and I swear there’s another ROY race I’m missing.

Also Kidd could shoot the mid range shot. He wasn’t great at it but he wasn’t completely afraid of taking jumpers either. Since when did Magic lack a jumper? He could drain the mid range jumper with ease and had a very clever post game.

I don’t get why people continue to act like Simmons’ lack of a jumper isn’t a genuine concern. Teams will just refuse to guard him in the heat of a playoff series and it will significantly impact his team’s offence. He needs to develop some sort of stroke.

I want simmons to go for the odd 3 pointer... they give him plenty of space out there....

 

[PP34]

Did u consider Lebron a good shooter his rookie year? And if not, when?
There’s years to get his shooting up to par. It’s not like phila are pushing for the championship this year


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Good shooter? No. But he was never horrendously bad to the point that he just dribbled around in circles if he couldn’t get a driving lane. That’s exactly what Simmons does.

LeBron always had a decent enough jumper to make him close to impossible for one player to guard. Teams like Boston in 2008-10 packed the paint and made him shoot and he constantly had huge games against them. By the time he got to Miami his mid range jumper was pretty reliable. By 2013, he was hitting threes and was almost unstoppable.

The worry with Simmons is that he’s starting from such a low level. LeBron from his first game could make some threes and mid range Js, he just wasn’t at the level required to take a heap of them. Simmons is nowhere near that.

There’s no guarantee you just become a good shooter too. Particularly when you’re so bad at this stage.

I want simmons to go for the odd 3 pointer... they give him plenty of space out there....

Having seen him since juniors, it’s surprised me that he’s got such little faith in his shot. He was shooting jumpers back in his Knox days but obviously as he progressed he must have found that jumpers weren’t his forte.

 

[Dags21]

Good shooter? No. But he was never horrendously bad to the point that he just dribbled around in circles if he couldn’t get a driving lane. That’s exactly what Simmons does.

LeBron always had a decent enough jumper to make him close to impossible for one player to guard. Teams like Boston in 2008-10 packed the paint and made him shoot and he constantly had huge games against them. By the time he got to Miami his mid range jumper was pretty reliable. By 2013, he was hitting threes and was almost unstoppable.

The worry with Simmons is that he’s starting from such a low level. LeBron from his first game could make some threes and mid range Js, he just wasn’t at the level required to take a heap of them. Simmons is nowhere near that.

There’s no guarantee you just become a good shooter too. Particularly when you’re so bad at this stage.

Having seen him since juniors, it’s surprised me that he’s got such little faith in his shot. He was shooting jumpers back in his Knox days but obviously as he progressed he must have found that jumpers weren’t his forte.

Wait a minute.... why so negative on his shooting if you’ve seen what it could be??
I just think we need to give the young fella a bit of time.. bit like DeRozan developing a consistent 3 this year, 7 or 8 years in.


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[PP34]

Wait a minute.... why so negative on his shooting if you’ve seen what it could be??
I just think we need to give the young fella a bit of time.. bit like DeRozan developing a consistent 3 this year, 7 or 8 years in.


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How he shot in juniors means diddly squat. Clearly as he got older, coaches realised he shouldn’t be taking jumpers.

I was just saying I found it odd how he went from shooting jumpers in his junior days to completely ignoring them in college and the league.

 

[Dags21]

How he shot in juniors means diddly squat. Clearly as he got older, coaches realised he shouldn’t be taking jumpers.

I was just saying I found it odd how he went from shooting jumpers in his junior days to completely ignoring them in college and the league.

Did he play as a guard or big??
Funny that he doesn’t shoot now, most develop the skills in juniors that will carry them into seniors.. especially the kids who play guard and have that late growth spurt, like ADavis.
Anyway not trying to make a big deal.. I just think he’ll develop a jumper in due course


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