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Opinion Ben Sinclair - Never again

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IMO he has the rest of the season to show his worth. I'm just not sure if we get players back whether there is a spot for him anywhere. We have a few players we will probably upgrade at seasons end and need to draft 2-3 and maybe trade in someone, so someone needs to make way.
Bucks boosting his trade value?
 
Quicky said:
Sinclair has been good since moving to defense. He is going to get crucified for the one big turnover because everyone notices it. The switch was on, he made the right decision. It was the same time of the game Adelaide were spreading and working harder. He was let down by his team mates who didn't provide an option. That's how I read that play at the time.
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He is our whipping boy...every club has them.
When Pendles caused a turnover resulting in a direct goal (last night)......doesn't even register on the scale.
Sinclair will have to play like Ablett to gain any respect on this board....even if, they will still be waiting for him to fail.
 

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MyManLynch said:
When Pendles caused a turnover resulting in a direct goal (last night)......doesn't even register on the scale.
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There is a reason for that. Pendles makes so many positive contributions in a game that a solitary mistake doesn't go even close to canceling it out. Sinclair doesn't have that luxury, not because people are being unfair, but because he doesn't really contribute all that much and his mistakes stand out. Rightly or wrongly, there is a reason he is what you are calling a 'whipping boy' and not someone else. They are better players than him.

It wasn't one mistake last night either. Were you there? I only ask because it is really hard to assess a player's positioning on tv. He was caught in no man's land at least four or five times and genuinely looked out of his depth. Adelaide just weren't good enough to punish him. His tackling was really sloppy and reckless as well. My mate who was with me, who really knows his footy as he watches it for a living (he is an AFL statistician) and was neutral (he doesn't support Collingwood or Adelaide), made the same comments numerous times.
 
The Rusler said:
There is a reason for that. Pendles makes so many positive contributions in a game that a solitary mistake doesn't go even close to canceling it out. Sinclair doesn't have that luxury, not because people are being unfair, but because he doesn't really contribute all that much and his mistakes stand out. Rightly or wrongly, there is a reason he is what you are calling a 'whipping boy' and not someone else. They are better players than him.

It wasn't one mistake last night either. Were you there? I only ask because it is really hard to assess a player's positioning on tv. He was caught in no man's land at least four or five times and genuinely looked out of his depth. My mate who was with me, who really knows his footy as he watches it for a living (he is an AFL statistician) and was neutral (he doesn't support Collingwood or Adelaide), made the same comments numerous times. Adelaide just weren't good enough to punish him. His tackling was sloppy and reckless as well.
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Nah...watching on TV...so cannot really comment on positioning etc.
I guess my point was that Sinclair will be judged harshly until he plays some damn good footy (consistently) i.e he carries baggage onto the ground in the eyes of many....& will be pre judged.
I'm all for post judging & analysis & giving each player a fair go.
If he's not up to it....then father time will soon pass him by.
Bucks see's something there.....
 
The Rusler said:
There is a reason for that. Pendles makes so many positive contributions in a game that a solitary mistake doesn't go even close to canceling it out. Sinclair doesn't have that luxury, not because people are being unfair, but because he doesn't really contribute all that much and his mistakes stand out. Rightly or wrongly, there is a reason he is what you are calling a 'whipping boy' and not someone else. They are better players than him.

It wasn't one mistake last night either. Were you there? I only ask because it is really hard to assess a player's positioning on tv. He was caught in no man's land at least four or five times and genuinely looked out of his depth. Adelaide just weren't good enough to punish him. His tackling was really sloppy and reckless as well. My mate who was with me, who really knows his footy as he watches it for a living (he is an AFL statistician) and was neutral (he doesn't support Collingwood or Adelaide), made the same comments numerous times.
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Rustler, I will be called, and fairly too, a Sinclair "hater", but your assessments IMO are spot on.
You need to be at the ground to see how often he finds himself in the wrong spot and his disposal is not AFL standard.

I understand that not every player justifies the early games he gets and that sometimes the club takes a small hit for their inclusion. Often the payback is worth it down the track.
That is how I feel about Witts, Thomas and Kennedy.
I see enough talent in them all to cop mistakes along the way, but I can't see the upside in Sinkers.

I honestly would love to be proven wrong.
 
I think Sinclair shows some promise down back.

Let's face it, small fast forwards embarrass us regularly and we need some speed down there, especially this year with Toooves out.

Sinclair has pace and tenacity, no-one can reasonably deny that ( I don't think!)

His delivery is too often suspect I agree there, but sheesh, how was Toovey's delivery and occasionally decision making aswell, up until pretty recently.

I think we are over sensitised to Sinclair's clangers now, so that each one is so screamingly obvious and almost the final straw.

But look how often say Swanny, even the great Pendles himself, or Heater, bungles a disposal and maybe as a percentage, Sinclair isn't a whole lot worse.

There is a big upside there if he can gradually improve like Toovey did, so I do think he'll be persisted with in the absence of a clear better option.

Getting very impressed with Marley too btw, so overall, we are addressing lack of pace on the backline pretty well.

As his skills improve, so will his confidence, so there's reason for hope there I'm pretty sure.

Even if Bucks had to look up to his maker last night to search for it after the lace out pass on the siren :)
 
We are so lucky Bucks and the match committee know more about footy than most of the Sinclair haters. Right now, from Bucks mouth we have Williams, Sinclair, Seedsman and SIDEBOTTOM playing as small defenders and runners off half back. BF posters crucify our young players and expect too much from our young recruits. You expect Sinclair to have the poise of a 150 gamer. When do you blokes expect a kid to learn the game? He does not turn it over as much as you say. Look at how many turnovers we had last night - not all Sinclair. And Sinclair DOES do positive things during the game. The pressure on defenders with the current style of play teams are using is unprecedented. Bucks said today they are still learning to deal with it. Sure Sinkers is not Toovey but he sure turns it over and makes mistakes just like Toovs did in the beginning. He is doing his job. Give THE KID a break.
 
Don't think theres much to comment. If he produces another bad game next week then there might be something to talk about.
 

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He didn't impress me as a defender last night, though he did the week before. I wouldn't call myself a Sinclair hater. Who was he actually minding last night? Without that information, it is hard to say whether he lost or won.
 
Last year every small forward in the comp would have looked forward to playing us and more often than not they towelled us up. I haven't been seeing much of that this season so Marley Williams and Ben Sinclair along with some others must be doing something right.
 
I just watched the game again. Sinclair was good, apart from the obvious costly turnover. He has promise in that position.
 
Sinclair's main problem is how easily he gets sucked in to play he can't influence then loses positioning and his opponent gets goal side and dangerous. Decision making is a worry, but he is so easily drawn in, he really risks being taken to the cleaners over the back.

If he became decent it would really help us, if you have Marley, Toovey, Shaw and Sinclair defending, you have a quick back line who can carry the ball.
 

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The Rusler said:
That's fair enough too. For what it's worth, you're not wrong re Buckley. He clearly likes the kid.
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I was too young but was Buckley the same type of player as Sinclair as a kid (not skill level wise) and reminds him of himself and has made him one of his favourites?
 
Football God said:
I was too young but was Buckley the same type of player as Sinclair as a kid (not skill level wise) and reminds him of himself and has made him one of his favourites?
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The areas of Sinclairs game that are lacking are nearly impossible to teach/improve.

If his attitude is 100% and that is why he is getting games, again, he has very limited upside.
 

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