Best 22 2011

[Dunn - Well Done]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

I'm sure there was a thread on this already... but anyway here goes.

B: Slattery Pears Welsh
HB: McVeigh Hurley Fletcher
C: Winderlich Watson Dempsey
HF Monfries Gumby Stanton
F: Davey Hille Jetta
R: Ryder Hocking Myers

Howlett Colyer Melksham (NLM)

After doing this I did notice that players like Atkinson, Dyson and Lonergan are hard to find spots for. (Not missing Houli either)

Unlucky: Reimers, Prismall, Hardingham Hooker, Zaka, Williams

I've gone for an older experienced backline. Welsh, McVeigh and Slattery are not going to improve our midfield, so better to have younger better guys in there.

Dempsey and Winderlich provide pace on the wings.

Hille to play FF when not in the ruck. Change with Ryder. Neither gets to rest on the bench due to 1 less position.

I found it hard to squeeze some players in. (I can't believe I don't have Zaka and Hooker in) For the future midfield players like Melksham, Colyer, Jetta, Myers are gifted some games.

Cant believe you dont have those players in either (Zaha, Hooker, Hardingham). You continue to have list cloggers playing, we must look to the future and not worry about having a backline that is experienced after all it will mean nothing. Those experienced players are probably going to do little more than what others young kids can do.

As for the sub (Hardingham is also another good option. Can play anywhere on the field and can give that spark up forward if needed).

By looking at our side we seem to have some decent depth now, and some good players still at 30 after our 2 high draft picks.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

Probably the best 22 I have seen thus far. Although I would try to find room for zaka, hooker and williams

I like the idea of having an experienced backline though.
For me I would go with that but with the following changes
Out: Colyer, Melksham
In: Hooker, Zaka

IMO Colyer and Melksham although very promising are still young, inexperienced and undersized. We are obviously not going to have the best 22 available so they would be the first emergencies to come in for me. Zaka and Hooker are just too important for our future to be leaving out.

In terms of defence I would play Slattery on the medium talls, Welsh on the quick small forwards and Mcveigh to provide run from defence along with fletcher. They are both very good kicks of the footy and would be the ones I would be using to start attacks from defence.

Surely you are having a laugh.

Welsh, McVeigh and Slattery in the same backline in 2011 is about as scary a prospect as we can hope. None have the kicking, pace and athleticism to be serious players. Only one can stay as a lock down type and Slatts is the man.

McVeigh was a good kick of the football but lacks penetration. Welsh is not a good kick and has never had penetration. Can't kick over a jam tin.

We might as well get MJ and Solly back and round out a tough backline that can't run, kick but can give away countless free kicks to the opposition.

Sheesh... what drugs are people on?

 

[Duckworth]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

Surely you are having a laugh.

Welsh, McVeigh and Slattery in the same backline in 2011 is about as scary a prospect as we can hope. None have the kicking, pace and athleticism to be serious players. Only one can stay as a lock down type and Slatts is the man.

McVeigh was a good kick of the football but lacks penetration. Welsh is not a good kick and has never had penetration. Can't kick over a jam tin.

We might as well get MJ and Solly back and round out a tough backline that can't run, kick but can give away countless free kicks to the opposition.

Sheesh... what drugs are people on?

Get some quick unaccountable players into the backline stat!

 

[yaco55]

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Get some quick unaccountable players into the backline stat!

Oh the irony !

I picked a more unorthodox team and have been let off - So far.

And i left out H.Slattery, Monfries, Williams, Prismall, Welsh etc.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

Get some quick unaccountable players into the backline stat!

You definitely need to find that balance of speed and accountability. For me Fletcher and Mcveigh can provide the accountability and also have pretty decent skills between them. Whilst Dempsey, Hardingham and Winderlich can provide that dash with better skills. Myers could also be considered in that group.

 

[Duckworth]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

You definitely need to find that balance of speed and accountability. For me Fletcher and Mcveigh can provide the accountability and also have pretty decent skills between them. Whilst Dempsey, Hardingham and Winderlich can provide that dash with better skills. Myers could also be considered in that group.

you make a good point. I don't think Dempsey is the answer. Pears has given good run on occasions and I like your idea of Winderlich there to help also.

 

[eth-dog]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

Oh the irony !

I picked a more unorthodox team and have been let off - So far.

And i left out H.Slattery, Monfries, Williams, Prismall, Welsh etc.

It's just that no-one takes you seriously enough

 

[yaco55]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

It's just that no-one takes you seriously enough

I also left out Myers and Dempsey.

Seriously, i selected a well balanced team which IMO, is the template for the future.

Good mixture of talls, mids, forwards,backs and players who are versatile, eg; Hurley, Hardingham etc.

Suspect that one of Welsh and H.Slattery will eventually come into the side, to operate as a midfield tagger.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

you make a good point. I don't think Dempsey is the answer. Pears has given good run on occasions and I like your idea of Winderlich there to help also.

Winderlich is too important in the midfield.

I reckon Pears will help that area as a Bock-type CHB. The thing I think I love most about our three gun talls (+ Fletch) down back is that they are all multi-dimensional, and I don't get nervous when any of them have the ball, like I would if say a Scott Thompson (North) had the ball.

Suspect that one of Welsh and H.Slattery will eventually come into the side, to operate as a midfield tagger.

Suspect that both will play 22 games bar injury/suspension.

Unfortunately, we don't have enough defensively minded players on our list to cast two of them away so easily.

 

[The Donners]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

You definitely need to find that balance of speed and accountability. For me Fletcher and Mcveigh can provide the accountability and also have pretty decent skills between them. Whilst Dempsey, Hardingham and Winderlich can provide that dash with better skills. Myers could also be considered in that group.

Personally, I'd have Dempsey nowhere near the backline, I'd have him in the middle, up forward or at Bendigo.

I would have Myers in the middle or at Bendigo. I'd have Winderlich in the middle or at Bendigo - I'm not a huge fan, way too inconsistent and at 26 I've given up on expecting a consistent season to come along.

I'd be up for giving Hardingham a chance off HBF but I think he provides more up front. He has a phenomenal leap and I think this would trouble most defenders.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

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I cant see Dempsey being able to play forward, i still like him across half back he hasnt been to bad and i see potential for improvment in him. The thing he needs to do is get someone (hird) to tell him to be more accountable or find his way back to bendigo. I would also be willing to see him play on the wing, but not at the expense of our number 8 pick if a midfielder. Id prefer Caddy or Atley in that area.

Donners i would like to know your half back line if we arent going to have Dempsey, Windelrich, Hardingham or Myers there. Please dont give me Hocking, Welsh, Mcveigh ect.

Also i think people over rate our tall defenders ability to play on a variety of players. For me Hurley and Hooker can only play on talls. Pears has a bit more flexability in his game but still i dont think hes agile enough to play on smalls. Flecther is the only one who can do this and we already know that Slattery cant cut it. I seriousily wont Slattery and Welsh no where near our best 21-22.

I respect what your saying BTG in the fact that we may not have enough defensivily minded players but i think we know that the 2010 game plan/strategy is more the problem than the players.

 

[The Donners]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

I cant see Dempsey being able to play forward, i still like him across half back he hasnt been to bad and i see potential for improvment in him. The thing he needs to do is get someone (hird) to tell him to be more accountable or find his way back to bendigo. I would also be willing to see him play on the wing, but not at the expense of our number 8 pick if a midfielder. Id prefer Caddy or Atley in that area.

Donners i would like to know your half back line if we arent going to have Dempsey, Windelrich, Hardingham or Myers there. Please dont give me Hocking, Welsh, Mcveigh ect.

Also i think people over rate our tall defenders ability to play on a variety of players. For me Hurley and Hooker can only play on talls. Pears has a bit more flexability in his game but still i dont think hes agile enough to play on smalls. Flecther is the only one who can do this and we already know that Slattery cant cut it. I seriousily wont Slattery and Welsh no where near our best 21-22.

HBF doesn't have to be a fixed position but I'd have at various times Stanton, Reimers, Hocking, Hardingham, Daniher, Long... Stanton is dependent on whether he can a) play loose or b) whether a possible tagger will follow him.

I agree re: Slattery and Welsh. I'd add McVeigh to that but then we wouldn't have a back pocket. We should pick up a back pocket type with a rookie pick imho.

 

[efcboy]

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I think Heppell is good enough to play seniors immediately. This is the lineup i'd like to see running out in 2011:

B: Fletcher, Pears, McVeigh
HB: Hardingham, Hurley, Heppell
C: Stanton, Watson, Dempsey
HF: Winderlich, Gumbleton, Reimers
F: M.Williams, Ryder, Davey
Foll: Hille, Myers, Howlett
Int: Zaharakis, Prismall, Melksham
Sub: Lovett-Murray
Emerg: Hocking, Monfries, Hooker

No doubt there is plenty to debate about but I think it is pleasing that guys such as Dyson, Monfries, Jetta, Welsh, Lonergan, Slattery, Hooker, Colyer, Hocking cannot make my team - it tells me the depth is improving. Mark Williams is the most debatable one for mine - i'm not a huge fan but he is fitter and with the resting ruckman playing key forward with one less on the bench, I think Mark Williams could play the lead-up forward role well (potentially he is more damaging than Monfries).

 

[Slattery_20]

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We've gone after those small/medium half-backs pretty hard.
Heppell will start there, Browne & Davis will play there.
Initially depth for, but soon enough putting pressure on Dyson, McVeigh, Slattery & co.
{It's clearly not Hocking's bag.}

 

[eth-dog]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

I think Heppell is good enough to play seniors immediately. This is the lineup i'd like to see running out in 2011:

B: Fletcher, Pears, McVeigh
HB: Hardingham, Hurley, Heppell
C: Stanton, Watson, Dempsey
HF: Winderlich, Gumbleton, Reimers
F: M.Williams, Ryder, Davey
Foll: Hille, Myers, Howlett
Int: Zaharakis, Prismall, Melksham
Sub: Lovett-Murray
Emerg: Hocking, Monfries, Hooker

No doubt there is plenty to debate about but I think it is pleasing that guys such as Dyson, Monfries, Jetta, Welsh, Lonergan, Slattery, Hooker, Colyer, Hocking cannot make my team - it tells me the depth is improving. Mark Williams is the most debatable one for mine - i'm not a huge fan but he is fitter and with the resting ruckman playing key forward with one less on the bench, I think Mark Williams could play the lead-up forward role well (potentially he is more damaging than Monfries).

Monfries>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prismall, Reimers. No way I would drop Gus behind these 2. And I would have Hocking in there at least as a sub. IMO:

Fletcher, Hooker, McVeigh
Pears, Hurley, Heppell
Stanton, Watson, Myers
Winderlich, Gumbleton, Monfries
Williams, Hille, Davey
Ryder, Zaharakis, Howlett
Melksham, Colyer, Jetta
Sub: Hocking
Emer: NLM, Reimers, Bellchambers

 

[efcboy]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

Monfries>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prismall, Reimers. No way I would drop Gus behind these 2. And I would have Hocking in there at least as a sub. IMO:

Fletcher, Hooker, McVeigh
Pears, Hurley, Heppell
Stanton, Watson, Myers
Winderlich, Gumbleton, Monfries
Williams, Hille, Davey
Ryder, Zaharakis, Howlett
Melksham, Colyer, Jetta
Sub: Hocking
Emer: NLM, Reimers, Bellchambers

monfries hasn't shown an ability to play midfield though and that is why he is out. monfries would be fighting for a position with mark williams.

 

[Bombers1234]

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Monfries>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prismall, Reimers. No way I would drop Gus behind these 2. And I would have Hocking in there at least as a sub. IMO:

Fletcher, Hooker, McVeigh
Pears, Hurley, Heppell
Stanton, Watson, Myers
Winderlich, Gumbleton, Monfries
Williams, Hille, Davey
Ryder, Zaharakis, Howlett
Melksham, Colyer, Jetta
Sub: Hocking
Emer: NLM, Reimers, Bellchambers

That half back line is sex

 

[smcateer]

Re: 2011 Starting 21 + Sub

I think Heppell is good enough to play seniors immediately. This is the lineup i'd like to see running out in 2011:

B: Fletcher, Pears, McVeigh
HB: Hardingham, Hurley, Heppell
C: Stanton, Watson, Dempsey
HF: Winderlich, Gumbleton, Reimers
F: M.Williams, Ryder, Davey
Foll: Hille, Myers, Howlett
Int: Zaharakis, Prismall, Melksham
Sub: Lovett-Murray
Emerg: Hocking, Monfries, Hooker

No doubt there is plenty to debate about but I think it is pleasing that guys such as Dyson, Monfries, Jetta, Welsh, Lonergan, Slattery, Hooker, Colyer, Hocking cannot make my team - it tells me the depth is improving. Mark Williams is the most debatable one for mine - i'm not a huge fan but he is fitter and with the resting ruckman playing key forward with one less on the bench, I think Mark Williams could play the lead-up forward role well (potentially he is more damaging than Monfries).

I agree, It's nice to have such hard decisions to make on the periphery. I would make a couple of changes to your proposed set-up. Lovett-Murray is on the border-line for me too. Myers is a gun but needs to be played in the correct roll - wide/breaking attacking mid (I'm thinking the Bulldogs game). He's more pacey than people give him credit for, has a lazy look about him.

IN : Jetta - OUT : Prismall
I think Jetta has much more upside (hate that phrase). If he's played mid for half a season, he will come on really strong. Prismall is unimpressive most weeks.

IN : Hooker - OUT : Hardingham
His closing pace was holding him back in 2010, but with another preseason under his belt, hopefully that will be addressed. I like Hardingam, but Hooker is more value at the moment. This is very dependent on who we play though. Fletch will play loose, so shouldn't be considered a third tall IMO.

IN : Monfries - OUT : Williams
I'm not sold on the rebirth of Williams - has to work his way in as far as I'm concerned.

IN : Hocking - OUT : McVeigh
I can't even figure out why McVeigh was given a 2 year contract. Love the guy, but looks washed-up to me. Hocking second in the B&F, improving.

Nice to have tough calls to make.

 

[table tennis]

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If we pick our best 22 based on last year. Kylie riemers gets no where near the 22!

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Geez, this keeps getting harder!

B: Slattery - Hooker - McVeigh
HB: Pears - Hurley - Fletcher
C: Stanton - Watson - Winderlich
HF: Monfries - Gumbleton - Jetta
F: Davey - Williams - Ryder
R: Hille - Howlett - Welsh
I: Colyer - Prismall - Zaharakis
S: Heppell

 

[bomber93]

Slightly off topic the team I'd like to see in the NAB cup opener

FB Browne Hurley Long

HB Hardingham Hooker Pears

C Heppell Melksham Dempsey

HF Steinberg Carlisle Reimers

FF Davey Daniher Williams

R Ryder Jetta Watson

I/C Bellechambers Winderlich Stanton Zaharakis

Subs Meyers Prismal/Howlett

 

[The House]

Hmmm, hard one to know if Heppell will be ready for round 1, but certainly the fact that we can at least start his career on half back gives him a much better chance......think we'd all be wrapt if he was able to provide a debut season similar Andy Otten from Adelaide and get plenty of it accross half back (minus the knee injury of course).

Naturally it will depend on who's trained well and pre season form, but for the sake of this exercise i'm going with Heppell ahead of Hocking at hbf for now.

One player i noticed a number on here bandied around for trade, and also many have left out of their 22 is Hooker. TBH i'm a little shocked that anyone could want to trade or drop this bloke, as i really rate him and see him as a lock for CHB on the bigger forwards.....especially moving forward after the dusty one retires. For now I'm sticking by my assessment that i rate him slightly above Pears in the long term.

And i've definitely got Myers getting a fair rotation through the midfield, a) for that set up, and b) to develop him more in this role for 2012 and beyond. I still rate him highly, and am confident of him developing into a very good player.

McVeigh Pears Fletcher
Heppell Hooker Myers
Stanton Watson Jetta
Monfries Gumby Hurley
Williams Ryder Davey
Hille, Prismall, Winderlich

Howlett, Melksham, Zaharakis, Colyer (sub)

Next in line (in no order) = Hardingham, Reimers, Hocking, Lonergan, Welsh, Lovett-Murray, Carlisle, Bellchambers, Daniher.

Outside of these 31 players, i would think the rest are either not ready, or not up to it. Never say never, and of course give them every opportunity to improve, however players like Dempsey for example would need to start showing some very good and consistent form at vfl level before i'd personally select them ahead of anyone in the 31 i've named.

For the record i'd play him predominately wing and mid each week at vfl level, occasionally resting up forward. i've seen more than enough of his defensive skills and turn overs in the back half to know i don't think he'll cut the mustard in defense, but would like to think we could harness his natural abilities accross the middle.

 

[FootyGuru]

BP- Slattery Hooker Fletcher
HB- Stanton Hurley Pears
C- Zaharakis Watson Winderlich
HF- Monfries Gumbleton Davey
FF- Williams Hille Jetta

Ruck- ryder howlett Hocking
Int- Heppel Mcveigh Prismall
sub- Hardingham (suits him perfect)

 

[UrLordLeper]

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B:Fletcher, Hooker, McVeigh
HBears, Hurley, Heppell
C:Stanton, Watson, Myers
HF:Winderlich, Gumbleton, Monfries
F:Williams, Hille, Davey
R/F:Ryder, Zaharakis, Howlett
Be:Melksham, Colyer, Jetta
Sub: Hocking
Emer: NLM, Reimers, Bellchambers

TBH I'm not sold on a couple of these selections.. Are we basing them from what we saw in '10 or our hopes at what they can do in '11?
I'm not saying that by the time Round 1 arrives Willo and the Hammer won't have earned their place, or other guys won't have improved under the influence of the new coaches..

B:Fletcher, Hooker, McVeigh. We'll see how Spike goes
HBears, Hurley, Heppell Dempsey may edge Ricky (Heppell) out here
C:Stanton, Watson, Myers Would consider Jetta over Myers right now..
HF:Winderlich, Gumbleton, Monfries Licha is one of my faves, but after '10 I don't want him as a forward just yet.. Hardman or Kyle in for Licha.
F:Williams, Hille, Davey Questionmarks over Willo, maybe Daniher if he's fit?

So mine looks like this...
B:Fletcher, Hooker, McVeigh
HBears, Hurley, Dempsey
C:Stanton, Watson, Jetta
HF:Reimers, Gumbleton, Monfries
Faniher, Hille, Davey
R/F:Ryder, Zaharakis, Howlett
Be:Melksham, Winderlich, Heppell
Sub: NLM
Emer: Hocking, Colyer, Bellchambers

Considering we are playing the Doggies having additional height in our forward line might not be a bad idea either..

 

[yaco55]

House

Great effort.

A well balanced and young team.

Would swap Reimers for Prismall.