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Caleb isn’t a lock imo but otherwise I agreeI have only 12 lock in players this season. Maybe a bit harsh on some like Bailey Williams if we are to have a good season probably need another 6 to become locks and the locks to justify their status.
ADZ
JUH
Cody
Bont
Jacko
Liam
Red
Libba
Bailey Dale
Astro
Caleb
Tim
Not to rain on your parade but Darcy "could've" kicked 6, which is very different to kicking 6. He was also lined up against khamis who he has a 20cm hight advantage over.Can anyone name an intraclub this preseason where Lobb dominated and could have kicked 6? Darcy over Lobb any day of the week right now. He’ll only get better with game time too
That would be quite surprising to Caleb I would think.Caleb isn’t a lock imo but otherwise I agree
I'd imagine he'd get the third banana lining up with Naughty and Jamarra as well. Darcy can break games, Lobb has never shown that ability. I don't think Lobbs bad by any means and I think he and Darcy will dual it out for that forward/ruck role through out the year. I think it's important there's pressure on that role for both players. Right now though Darcy is a top 5 talent on our list and needs to be fast tracked, especially if he's showing more on the training track then lobb.Not to rain on your parade but Darcy "could've" kicked 6, which is very different to kicking 6. He was also lined up against khamis who he has a 20cm hight advantage over.
I completely agree pressure on spots especially for talls is fantastic and something we haven't seen for a long time (or ever).I'd imagine he'd get the third banana lining up with Naughty and Jamarra as well. Darcy can break games, Lobb has never shown that ability. I don't think Lobbs bad by any means and I think he and Darcy will dual it out for that forward/ruck role through out the year. I think it's important there's pressure on that role for both players. Right now though Darcy is a top 5 talent on our list and needs to be fast tracked, especially if he's showing more on the training track then lobb.
I completely agree pressure on spots especially for talls is fantastic and something we haven't seen for a long time (or ever).
The scary thing is Darcy is still a kid and quickly closing in on equaling or overtaking Lobb. Darcy is going to be an absolute star and one of the top 10 talls in the league before long if his body let's him in my opinion.
In terms of fast tracking by playing AFL it's a very sharp two edge sword, although you can get players to develop sooner, you can also burn them out or kill their confidence and potentially push them into the best 22 without a clear spot for them just to have them their and end up playing someone out of position.
I'd much rather be patient, give him atleast a 4 week block of games in the VFL letting him not only get continuity in his game but also in his body. If after that he is in good shape and his form demands it then play AFL with a full head of steam.
His chances are slim atm or ever? I would think from what Darcy has shown so far he will develop to match and better the LobbsterI think it gets consistently undersold here just how hard it is to be a ruck/forward who contributes in both sections of the ground.
Of the key forwards who averaged more goals than Lobb (1.2), none averaged more hitouts than he had (7.8). The only player remotely close is Dixon (7.4), and then we drop down to Chol (3.1).
To frame it differently, he manages to kick over a goal a game while offering more in the ruck than any other player who does so.
Now, obviously his hitout number is skewed because of a handful of games where he had longer stints in the ruck, but:
Lobb is a limited player, but one that balances both elements of his role better than most other second rucks in the league. His value is therefore in the net positive rating he is able to bring to both parts of the ground.
- Even if I exclude games with 10+ hitouts, he still averages over 5 per game and thus outpoints all but one player;
- This helps my point anyway, as it shows he has the ability to be a tactical asset in multiple roles.
Darcy, all going well, should be a better player than Lobb in time. It is going to be supremely difficult, though, for him to match what Lobb is providing in both roles.
Darcy may be able to match or exceed Lobb's output in one area of the ground (though it is worth noting that he has only really had one AFL standard game in the forward line so far, so this is still a big ask with only preseason form to go off of), but if we hold that we need a player that can contribute both as a scoring threat AND a serviceable backup to English, Darcy's chances of besting what Lobb manages are slim.
Right now, I mean. If Darcy can get his body right I have as much respect for his ability as anyone on the list.His chances are slim atm or ever? I would think from what Darcy has shown so far he will develop to match and better the Lobbster
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There is no evidence to support this at all.Darcy already has passed Lobb on attack and that’s his key role for 80%+ of the time.
There is no evidence to support this at all.
Nothing concrete yet but he absolutely has at training from what I’ve seen and read - whether that translates to match day time will tell - you’d be ballsy to say it wouldn’t though tbhThere is no evidence to support this at all.
True - Very little but not none.
Darcy has shown an ability to get bags in VFL and has had periods where his marking in VFL and a very limited snapshot in the AFL looks more dangerous than what we have seen from Lobb.
Lobb’s best game in attack is still when he played against us. But agree right now my comment is an exaggeration.
To be fair Lobb has had 10 years against men and Darcy has only had flashes in VFL - but I wonder Lobb’s goal tally tells us: versus where we think Darcy could go if he played every game this year. My belief (not backed by much evidence is that he would beat 24 in a season.
2023 - 24
2022 - 36
2021 - 20
2020 - 10
2019 - 13
2018 - 11
I love Darcy, but I think there are some pieces of evidence not being considered here.Nothing concrete yet but he absolutely has at training from what I’ve seen and read - whether that translates to match day time will tell - you’d be ballsy to say it wouldn’t though tbh
Personally I’d simply look at it if we want to ruck English 60/40 I’m going Lobb, if we want to ruck English more like 80-85% (as we usually do) I’m easily taking Darcy for round 1.
Preseason will be interesting, I think Lobb would be fav for round 1 but I’d put good money on Darcy changing that decision if he sees significant preseason match time