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BEaston said:
Everyone will be happy, Gia has been poached.
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It was due.
Not hard-boiled enough as a player. Scrambled as a coach.

Our search for a replacement needs to be free ranging.

Bevo needs to lay another egg.
 
Virgin Dog said:
On paper, I would rate our list 5th to 8th. I think the only reason we're not performing higher is because of the lack of depth in our coaching panel. I trust that Bevo is the right person at the helm, but we've become stale among the assistant coaching panel.

If we're going to keep Gia and Smith around (I'd like fresh minds from outside the club), I'd get Gia running our forward line again and Smith the defence. Bring back Corey, move Hansen and King on and bring in a good senior assistant from elsewhere. Whether that be Voss if he doesn't get the North role, or someone else
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Smith is defense coach, def need a new forward coach, Hansen is hopeless
 
AJARWA said:
I also think our high press isn't working. It seems to get us more inside 50s than the opposition most weeks. But they're often repeat, low quality entries into a crowded forward line after an initial butchered forward entry.

Repeat entries might work ok against crap defences and worked ok against decent teams in 2016 when we had Dickson, Stringer, Picken and Smith up forward. But not with our current forward line made up mostly of inside mids and the occasional HBF.

Then going the other way teams with either pace or decent skills find it easy to breach our high press and score. Quality over quantity inside 50s.

It came as no surprise that we couldn't beat a team in the top eight (a heavily injured Eagles barely counts) this year. And imo we're not going anywhere if the coaches don't come up with an alternative plan. OR change our list to add some class into our forward line and/or mids that don't butcher the ball going forward so we get quality F50 entries (which is why I'm not against trading Dunkley for a quality ball user and why I support Daniel playing higher).
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LondonBulldog said:
Keep the coach yet tweak the game plan. "Total Football" your on the right track, our defenders push up way too much, our forward line way too crowded.

You only have to look at the Tigers to see the game plan which is winning football. Flood back, pressure, pressure, pressure then run forward in waves keeping the ball alive and moving fast at all costs and catch the opposition out. Recruit a bunch of small, fast, aggressive and tough onballers. A couple of talls up forward and in defensive and a ruck. The tigers on sat had 7 players under 180cm, that's nearly unheard of. In 2017 they won with Riewoldt, Rance and Nakervis (3 geniune talls) You know why, 6 years ago they said what we are doing aren't working and they turned it on its head.

We need that moment, we are close but far, turn the game plan and reap the rewards. Stick with what you know and stay the same!
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The other thing, as far as I'm concerned, is the lack of value that our coaching staff places on centre bounces. This cannot be overstated enough (in my opinion).

When Beveridge joined, he essentially parked an All Australian-quality ruckman (Minson) in the twos. Within two years (and not many games) later, Will was out the door.

And what has changed? We have an A++ grade midfield supported by a C+ grade ruckman that regularly loses centre clearances in big moments.

Tempo is everything in the modern game and the centre bounce is the first opportunity to get your hands back on the ball (and control the tempo) once you've been scored against. I'm used to watching our momentum in games be completely halted because of our inability to get it right in the centre. Or worse, watching our midfield be completely overrun by lesser opposition with a dominant ruck.

Forget the third man up rule, the 6-6-6 rule should be massively benefitting us. I would have thought winning the ball in the centre and letting an uncongested forward line with Naughton, Bruce etc compete to its strengths (i.e. one-on-one) would be a priority? Apparently not.

The failure to adhere to such a basic, fundamental concept for no discernible benefit just continues to blow my mind - five years on.
 

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lachy said:
The Tiges set a deeper defensive press, which as well as limiting exposure out the back also does not compress the ground further into the forward line, hence why we have a more congested forward line.

Other than swapping the kick to handball ratio their gameplan is just our 2016 gameplan with evolution. We really are a lot closer and the tweaking is not that significant
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Do you think we've got the players to replicate the tigers' game plan?

Chris Scott's post GF press conference was interesting... Pretty much said Richmond has a game that's hard to beat but can only be achieved because of the list they've developed.

I have my doubts we've got enough of those players LondonBulldog mentions that are fast, relentless and have decent skills, like Edwards, Short, Graham, Bolton, Pickett, Rioli, Baker and co.
 
Northernsoul74 said:
He’s had a lot of personal issues post footy. Not sure coaching is for him.
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yes, would have been better to grab him closely after he retired. Hindsight...
 
AJARWA said:
Do you think we've got the players to replicate the tigers' game plan?

Chris Scott's post GF press conference was interesting... Pretty much said Richmond has a game that's hard to beat but can only be achieved because of the list they've developed.

I have my doubts we've got enough of those players LondonBulldog mentions that are fast, relentless and have decent skills, like Edwards, Short, Graham, Bolton, Pickett, Rioli, Baker and co.
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No one will beat the Tigers replicating their gameplan.

It will be a gamelan using some key elements adapted for the list of the players at the appropriate club.

The Tigers didn't replicate our 2016 gamelan, they took key elements from it, then adapted for their list and strengthend some weaknesses.

Other than this year our gameplan has matched the Tigers gameplan each time we have met them, we just need to tweak to suit our list but just as iportantly remove the significant weakness of strenght at the contest some players have
 
lachy said:
No one will beat the Tigers replicating their gameplan.

It will be a gamelan using some key elements adapted for the list of the players at the appropriate club.

The Tigers didn't replicate our 2016 gamelan, they took key elements from it, then adapted for their list and strengthend some weaknesses.

Other than this year our gameplan has matched the Tigers gameplan each time we have met them, we just need to tweak to suit our list but just as iportantly remove the significant weakness of strenght at the contest some players have
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I tend to agree. Just not sure who those players are or where we're getting them from. Development of Vander, West and Weightman will help. But we seem too one paced around the ball.

Also not sure if the coaches are willing to tweak our approach, like a deeper press. We've got two of the best contested marks in the game up forward but our approach doesn't give them much space.

A few more interesting observations on the tigers' game, this time from Jake Niall. Particularly their preference against F50 stoppages.

www.theage.com.au

'Raise the fight': Why clubs can't replicate Tigers

In the liturgy of Damien Hardwick, "raise the fight" is one of his pet phrases and it accurately describes the response of the Richmond players from time-on in the second quarter of a grand final that appeared to be slipping away.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
 
It's so good to see the muppet's ruckman philosophy has finally been overruled, just in time to pick up a 34 year old Stefan Martin, fresh off a worst on ground performance in the preliminary final.

Got to love the Mitch Hannan pickup too, no doubt a personal Beveridge pick. Why go after a player like Jack Higgins when we can pick up Footscray's own Mitch Hannan?
 
It's only a matter of time until Andrew Dunkley stumbles upon this thread
 
DanielST said:
It's so good to see the muppet's ruckman philosophy has finally been overruled, just in time to pick up a 34 year old Stefan Martin, fresh off a worst on ground performance in the preliminary final.

Got to love the Mitch Hannan pickup too, no doubt a personal Beveridge pick. Why go after a player like Jack Higgins when we can pick up Footscray's own Mitch Hannan?
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Quality early posting career. You have a lot to live up to going forward
 

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Not to be a Debbie Downer on this night of celebration, but the pressure is on Bev big time. We can’t wait another bloody 50 years , he’s done it once, time to deliver. This list is cherry ripening. Still improvement left, but we need to be on the cusp next year or we’ll lose our shit.
 
adogsfan5 said:
Bevo In
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It's do or die now that's for sure for Bevo - Dunk's wanting out/Treloar coming in (AFL coaches would be rubbing their hands together with just that duo in their mids alone). It will need to be a team that turns up, week to week consistently, ie: Sluggish 1st qrt or 2nd accelerate then game has ended. As a member, given what's taken place - Be awesome if the seniors returned this year EARLIER to unite the kennel (Dunks back, BSM, AT, MH etc)
 
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We have a neck for every taste ...
 

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ScragCity said:
Interesting discussion here regarding Bevo's neck:

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That's some seriously in-depth analysis. Those guys should be hosting the draft. "Hawks have drafted Jimmy Wilson from East Adelaide. Interesting fact about Jimmy, his right ring finger is wider than both his thumbs. And Jimmy's uncle Maurice, who played CHB for Whyalla West, tried his luck in the VFL, but on his first training night at Punt Road, was flummoxed by the continual buttock grabs from club leaders. He now heads up the Whyalla chapter of non-binary bus drivers. Ah, looks like the next pick is in from Port..."
 
Brought back memories of my brother's favourite White Sox player in the late 60s/early 70s, Walt "No Neck" Williams.

Born in Brownwood, Texas, Williams was nicknamed No-Neck due to his relatively short stature (5 feet 6 inches) combined with a muscular, compact torso and a short neck.[3] His odd physical appearance was the result of a typhus injection he received as a baby.[4] After his hometown was hit by a flood, the government gave typhus injections to prevent the spread of the disease.[4] Williams was so muscular even as a baby that, they couldn't reach a vein except in the back of his neck.[4] He developed a crick in his neck, which then stiffened and shrank.

He had tremendous hustle, which made him a fan favourite.

 
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