Big Cox

[Knightmare]

Crunch time for Cox.
I would give him 5 consecutive games in the seniors, sometime post round 5.
Best to pick those 5 games that have the weakest ruck/forward combos.
This isn't a Premiership year, so we can see if this madness, eerrrr I mean experiment, will ever work.
Ball should be in his court.

Given Cox is a category B rookie it is not crunch time at all. I believe the duration players can remain category B rookies is three years. So if Cox does not break through this year he still can in theory remain as a category B rookie in 2016 from what I understand. And given this status, he is not taking away a senior or rookie list position from another prospective draftee. So the pressure to make it happen that you imply is in reality not at all correct, nor fair.

As a bare minimum expectation of Cox, if he shows improvement this year and makes at least some strides in the right direction. He should be retained. If he plays AFL games, while I feel he can and will be ready next season, that's an obvious bonus.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I'm with Saintly Viewed. Emotion and "getting over it" has nothing to do with it.

FWIW I think Toovey is easily best 22 and I think that Caff will surprise everybody and force his way into the 22, maybe not round one but definitely by round 22. I'm not as confident with Goldy and Blair but both will do their jobs if needed.

If all four of them play 18 games or more each then we have gone backwards.

That's my only point. You have said it well.
The four together week on week to me wil mean we have not progressed.
Happy to be wrong. Just want our best in consistently.

Can see any of Toovey, Goldsack or Maccafer being terrific and regular but it's more one or two of them not all of them. Blair a tackling machine will need a lot going for him to push out others like dE Goey, Aish etc

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Crunch time for Cox.
I would give him 5 consecutive games in the seniors, sometime post round 5.
Best to pick those 5 games that have the weakest ruck/forward combos.
This isn't a Premiership year, so we can see if this madness, eerrrr I mean experiment, will ever work.
Ball should be in his court.

Do you even football brah???

Cat B rookie, look it up.

 

[Black_White]

Not exactly sure what "brah" is.
In my day you would drop the "h" and have some fun.
Not fussed about the cat B assignment.
What I am fussed about is the $250,000 p.a. that we are reportably paying.
For me I would prefer that money to be used to pay the tax on a bigger football department spend.
Makes more sense to use our money on tangible benifits for the whole playing group, than an experiment that even if successful will be a limited return in games played.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Mike Pyke says youre an idiot.

 

[Black_White]

Mike Pyke says youre an idiot.

Cheers.
Say hello to the big fella next time you're talking to him. I'm assuming you are on first name basis as you seem to be able to quote his words.
Anyway, Mike had an advantage over Mason. He played rugby. A bash and crash game, with an oval shaped ball.
Mason played basketball and soccer. Both round balls. One you can't even touch!
I also loved this quote I found about our big Cox,

• was a member of the scout team for the Cowgirl Basketball squad

Now I'm not entirely sure what that means, but seriously, wtf?
Anyway, the fact still remains that his reading of the play is his major failure. By the time he can change that, at an AFL level, not a VFL level, it will be all over for him.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Not exactly sure what "brah" is.
In my day you would drop the "h" and have some fun.
Not fussed about the cat B assignment.
What I am fussed about is the $250,000 p.a. that we are reportably paying.
For me I would prefer that money to be used to pay the tax on a bigger football department spend.
Makes more sense to use our money on tangible benifits for the whole playing group, than an experiment that even if successful will be a limited return in games played.

We are paying that outside the cap.

You think $250K will help boost our spending on football or helps pay the tax vs a free shot at a quality footballer (not saying he is but that's the potential)???

What do we invest in a Draft Pick? How many of those go onto play 50 games?

It's small fry compared to the potential outcome. For a free hit that not all the comp can afford.

Ask yourself this. A lot on here have been bemoaning why we haven't picked up a KPF to develop behind Trav.

Maybe it's him, maybe the club have a clue, maybe they know something about the modern era?

 

[DERKADERRR]

We are paying that outside the cap.

You think $250K will help boost our spending on football or helps pay the tax vs a free shot at a quality footballer (not saying he is but that's the potential)???

What do we invest in a Draft Pick? How many of those go onto play 50 games?

It's small fry compared to the potential outcome. For a free hit that not all the comp can afford.

Ask yourself this. A lot on here have been bemoaning why we haven't picked up a KPF to develop behind Trav.

Maybe it's him, maybe the club have a clue, maybe they know something about the modern era?

Stop being completely logical! This is BigFooty, there's no place for that here.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

We are paying that outside the cap.

You think $250K will help boost our spending on football or helps pay the tax vs a free shot at a quality footballer (not saying he is but that's the potential)???

What do we invest in a Draft Pick? How many of those go onto play 50 games?

It's small fry compared to the potential outcome. For a free hit that not all the comp can afford.

Ask yourself this. A lot on here have been bemoaning why we haven't picked up a KPF to develop behind Trav.

Maybe it's him, maybe the club have a clue, maybe they know something about the modern era?

And boosting your ruck stocks seems cheap to me.
Great move for few dollars is all cox in the waiting.

 

[legendstatus]

$250k, use of a BMW X5 ( lease ) and $400 allowance over week.


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[Anzacday]

Not exactly sure what "brah" is.
In my day you would drop the "h" and have some fun.
Not fussed about the cat B assignment.
What I am fussed about is the $250,000 p.a. that we are reportably paying.
For me I would prefer that money to be used to pay the tax on a bigger football department spend.
Makes more sense to use our money on tangible benifits for the whole playing group, than an experiment that even if successful will be a limited return in games played.

The challenge was to do it one handed

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Cox really is the gift that keeps giving

 

[Black_White]

We are paying that outside the cap.

You think $250K will help boost our spending on football or helps pay the tax vs a free shot at a quality footballer (not saying he is but that's the potential)???

What do we invest in a Draft Pick? How many of those go onto play 50 games?

It's small fry compared to the potential outcome. For a free hit that not all the comp can afford.

Ask yourself this. A lot on here have been bemoaning why we haven't picked up a KPF to develop behind Trav.

Maybe it's him, maybe the club have a clue, maybe they know something about the modern era?

Didn't mention the cap.
I'm more interested in the 250k being used as an offset for an increased footy department spend.
We have to pay a tax for that. And the 250k being paid here would enable us to do that.
Nothing to do with any player payment cap.
Th current threepeat premiers pay the tax and don't fool around with"experiments" to my knowledge.
While not a supporter of copycatting, I think their record tells all clubs about how to work within the guidelines that the AFL have.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Didn't mention the cap.
I'm more interested in the 250k being used as an offset for an increased footy department spend.
We have to pay a tax for that. And the 250k being paid here would enable us to do that.
Nothing to do with any player payment cap.
Th current threepeat premiers pay the tax and don't fool around with"experiments" to my knowledge.
While not a supporter of copycatting, I think their record tells all clubs about how to work within the guidelines that the AFL have.

Hawthorn don't do experiments?
Garlett says hi (how that working out)

 

[mike123]

Hawthorn don't do experiments?
Garlett says hi (how that working out)

Amos Frank also says hi.

 

[DERKADERRR]

Didn't mention the cap.
I'm more interested in the 250k being used as an offset for an increased footy department spend.
We have to pay a tax for that. And the 250k being paid here would enable us to do that.
Nothing to do with any player payment cap.
Th current threepeat premiers pay the tax and don't fool around with"experiments" to my knowledge.
While not a supporter of copycatting, I think their record tells all clubs about how to work within the guidelines that the AFL have.

They have two International players from New Zealand on their list, one which just got upgraded onto the senior list. I still don't understand why you're so against Cox's recruitment, his improvement over his first year was incredible for a person who had not even picked up a footy 2 years ago. It's not very often you find a 211cm player with such a professional attitude and the physical attributes of a 180cm player, I feel the reward outweighs the risk by a fair amount.

 

[Black_White]

Hmmm.....international players from NZ. Guys with backgrounds like Pyke. Rugby. Not really an experiment.
How was Garlett an experiment? AFL player with great skills. Attitude/Drug problem. Could have said the same about one Dane Swan at the same age. Recruiting a player with real AFL skills is never a risk. Making him conform to the rules is a challenge though.
Had to google Amos Frank. But falls into the same category as Garlett. Though the challenges would have been more cultural/big city related.
Simply, none of these so called Hawthorn experiments can rate alongside recruiting a guy who had never seen the game and only just picked up a football.
The absolute worst thing about this thread and this discussion?
I still don't know what "brah" is.

 

[mike123]

Guys with backgrounds like Pyke. Rugby. Not really an experiment.

How so?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Hmmm.....international players from NZ. Guys with backgrounds like Pyke. Rugby. Not really an experiment.
How was Garlett an experiment? AFL player with great skills. Attitude/Drug problem. Could have said the same about one Dane Swan at the same age. Recruiting a player with real AFL skills is never a risk. Making him conform to the rules is a challenge though.
Had to google Amos Frank. But falls into the same category as Garlett. Though the challenges would have been more cultural/big city related.
Simply, none of these so called Hawthorn experiments can rate alongside recruiting a guy who had never seen the game and only just picked up a football.
The absolute worst thing about this thread and this discussion?
I still don't know what "brah" is.

My apologies.
I didn't quite understand your point. My bad.
If we have a player we are taking a chance on, that's an experiment.
If hawthorn takes a chance on anyone that's just giving them opportunity.
My humble sorry at missing the subtlety of your point.
Usually I work on a much lower plane.

 

[Black_White]

Haha...
What a foolish thing to say.
You convienently leave out the particulars of these experiments/opportunities.
I've no issue with you doing so. But it does weaken any argument you wish to put up.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Haha...
What a foolish thing to say.
You convienently leave out the particulars of these experiments/opportunities.
I've no issue with you doing so. But it does weaken any argument you wish to put up.

Ok

 

[Maggie5]

Cox really is the gift that keeps giving

How so?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

How so?

The puns, the word play
That he's so tall etc etc
Just something to keep the boredom at bay
Until the season starts in earnest

And he may just play a few games too

 

[Maggie5]

The puns, the word play
That he's so tall etc etc
Just something to keep the boredom at bay
Until the season starts in earnest

And he may just play a few games too

Oh I see, yes surname will certainly get a run.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Oh I see, yes surname will certainly get a run.

Granted perhaps too much.
Though I assume in places like this some liberty is acceptable.
Notwithstanding some may not be overly thrilled at the word play.