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[Alex99]

Utterly ridiculous, Meeson and Maric have proved nothing, zip, nada yet you are convinced they have, seems drummond has been following the progress of Meeson closely and seems to have doubts over his ability, you havent even factored in Hudson, so what the bloke is going to come back to the form he had before he injuried his knee???Where is the fact that it will happen???? What if he struggles?????

When are they going to be good enough and when are will they likely to be ready for the AFL please enlighten me?

Ivan Maric and John Meesen will improve more in 1 season of AFL football than they will in 4 playing in the SANFL (that’s not disrespecting the SANFL) it’s simply they are playing against better players.

A player’s best year for improvement is between 20 and 24 years of age.

 

[Alex99]

No Im a realist, as I was last year but you wouldnt have a bar of what I was saying to you.

It has been said numerous times a clubs opportunity to win the Premiership comes around every eight years, the AFC had their chance and blew it we had the chance in 2002 in 2005 and 2006 blew all opportunities sky high, that isnt your fault that isnt my fault. West Coast are the club to beat and Western Bulldogs are well and truely on the rise.......................AFC on the way down, that is the fact but just slashing players left right and centre is not the answer. Massie is a long way off retirement age, and as player isnt even close to delisting.

Riccuito, Mcleod, Edwards and Goodwin will all take their turn and will hang up the boots, Van berlo has had one good season and showed us some of his magic, Knights and the others have alot to prove in 2007.

Kris Massie, Michael Doughty, Rhett Biglands (and a few others) are not going to get any better hence they will not make the Adelaide Football Club any better.

Nathan Van Berlo, Richard Douglas, Ivan Maric, John Meesen, Chris Knights will continue to get better for the next 4 or 5 years and in doing so will make the Adelaide Football Club a better side. The first 40 to 60 games are up and down and after that they will start to get more consistent. If our time is gone (like you said) lets get those 40 to 60 games into the ASAP.

 

[maccas_no1]

Kris Massie, Michael Doughty, Rhett Biglands (and a few others) are not going to get any better hence they will not make the Adelaide Football Club any better.

Nathan Van Berlo, Richard Douglas, Ivan Maric, John Meesen, Chris Knights will continue to get better for the next 4 or 5 years and in doing so will make the Adelaide Football Club a better side. The first 40 to 60 games are up and down and after that they will start to get more consistent. If our time is gone (like you said) lets get those 40 to 60 games into the ASAP.

So IYO we should delist all our player's that are in the age range of 25-30

 

[macca23]

For anybody who doesn't understand the meaning of circular, just read this thread.

 

[Alex99]

So IYO we should delist all our player's that are in the age range of 25-30

No, where did I say that.

 

[maccas_no1]

No, where did I say that.

You said it by saying you want to delist Massie, Biglands, Doughty and Shirley.

You only seemed to be worried about the midfeild and not anything else, what about our woeful forwardline???? Or are Perrie, Welsh and McGregor all great guns?????

 

[Alex99]

You said it by saying you want to delist Massie, Biglands, Doughty and Shirley.

You only seemed to be worried about the midfeild and not anything else, what about our woeful forwardline???? Or are Perrie, Welsh and McGregor all great guns?????

** sighs **

 

[tinman]

Kris Massie, Michael Doughty, Rhett Biglands (and a few others) are not going to get any better hence they will not make the Adelaide Football Club any better.

Nathan Van Berlo, Richard Douglas, Ivan Maric, John Meesen, Chris Knights will continue to get better for the next 4 or 5 years and in doing so will make the Adelaide Football Club a better side. The first 40 to 60 games are up and down and after that they will start to get more consistent. If our time is gone (like you said) lets get those 40 to 60 games into the ASAP.

You can make exactly the same argument for Roo, McLeod, Goodwin, Edwards....

Of course the club will continue to turn over the list in order to improve. But to delist players just because they don't have much/any improvement left doesn't wash.

Let the up and comers earn their spot.

 

[Alex99]

You can make exactly the same argument for Roo, McLeod, Goodwin, Edwards....

Of course the club will continue to turn over the list in order to improve. But to delist players just because they don't have much/any improvement left doesn't wash.

Let the up and comers earn their spot.

How many SANFL senior games did Ben Hart play for North Adelaide, what about Mark Ricciuto for West Adelaide, Simon Goodwin for South Adelaide, Andrew McLeod For Port Adelaide and Tyson Edwards and Shaun Rhen for West Adelaide, Kane Johnson for Glenelg?

Did they earn there spots with solid SANFL form?

I would not have though so but the club could see the potential they had and gave them an opportunity before they were ready.

 

[maccas_no1]

You can make exactly the same argument for Roo, McLeod, Goodwin, Edwards....

Of course the club will continue to turn over the list in order to improve. But to delist players just because they don't have much/any improvement left doesn't wash.

Let the up and comers earn their spot.

Exactly right There are no certainties to make it either, play the players that have proved themselves and when the opportunity arises play the up and comers, fortunately for Maric and Meeson they will get their shot this year, but for the midfeild Van Berlo will continue to get regular footy as will Knights, after that it will be a week by week basis.

 

[maccas_no1]

** sighs **

What that all you got

 

[Alex99]

Exactly right There are no certainties to make it either, play the players that have proved themselves and when the opportunity arises play the up and comers, fortunately for Maric and Meeson they will get their shot this year, but for the midfeild Van Berlo will continue to get regular footy as will Knights, after that it will be a week by week basis.

Why if we are not going to win a premiership?


Isn't that the major objective out of every season?

 

[Alex99]

What that all you got

I guess so

 

[The Crows Truth]

Ben Hart was the first played terminated last season; as harsh as it sounds I see no reason why Rhett Biglands was not used in this culling session as well to ease some of the long term pain we will face.

Well lets just be glad that you will never have any influence on these sorts of decisions

 

[The Crows Truth]

Absolutely correct, give the guy a chance, he anit in the 'too hard basket' yet.

Rehn is a prime example of a player who kept coming back from adversity to prove what a champion player he was.

True but Biglands aint never gonna wipe Rehnys you know what

 

[The Crows Truth]

Scott, we are not a premiership contender this year and wont be for at least for the next three years,

Why are we 2nd favourite then with the smart money?

Glass half full old son

 

[Alex99]

Well lets just be glad that you will never have any influence on these sorts of decisions

What happens to Ivan Maric and John Meesen in 2008?

Rhett Biglands and Ben Hudson will ruck, so let’s start discussing who we are going to trade them for now as they will leave if they do not play.

 

[The Crows Truth]

What happens to Ivan Maric and John Meesen in 2008?

Rhett Biglands and Ben Hudson will ruck, so let’s start discussing who we are going to trade them for now as they will leave if they do not play.

(1) Assuming Maric and Meeson step up to become AFL ruckmen this year then Biglands may be 4th in line for a ruckspot in 2008. Good list management dictates depth. If Meeson and Maric dont step up Biglands could still have a roll to play for a couple of years.

(2) He kicked approx 25 goals this year from very limited opportunities in the forward line. I would have thought he had the best ratio of goals/time spent up forward in our team. Not bad huh? Could be a role there

(3) I cant imagine our club delisting a good servan mid-contract due to a knee. Thats a pretty amateurish suggestion C98

 

[Allefgib]

How many SANFL senior games did Ben Hart play for North Adelaide, what about Mark Ricciuto for West Adelaide, Simon Goodwin for South Adelaide, Andrew McLeod For Port Adelaide and Tyson Edwards and Shaun Rhen for West Adelaide, Kane Johnson for Glenelg?

Did they earn there spots with solid SANFL form?

I would not have though so but the club could see the potential they had and gave them an opportunity before they were ready.

I think this is the crux of the matter mate. Let the club decide as they obviously know best and have possibly proven so in the past with the choices to play the above players.

Perhaps the club can see the potential in keeping Massie around over and above getting rid of him and playing all the youngsters at once?

Perhaps the club can see the wisdom of keeping Big-glands fired up on his rehab path and having him around as an option in 2008?

Perhaps everyone else seems to be able to see this and you should wonder why you can't? Or are you just getting stuck into marty coz its fun? Fair enough I guess but is getting a tad repetitive.

 

[tinman]

What happens to Ivan Maric and John Meesen in 2008?

Rhett Biglands and Ben Hudson will ruck, so let’s start discussing who we are going to trade them for now as they will leave if they do not play.

Hopefully they will be leading the rucks and dominating the league. If Biglands and Hudson are kept out of the side by them then fantastic, as both Huddo and Biglands are more than handy players.

Hopefully guys like Knights, Van Berlo and Pfeiffer are carving the opposition up in midfield spots, and guys getting a regular game now can't force their way into the side.

That's the ideal case scenario........but things don't always work out as they do in our dreams. Good players aren't simply going to step aside and give away their spot in the team, or the squad. Ideally we will have competition for places.

We had 5 picks at the draft. Now unless you think that you can get a better player than, for example, Rhett Biglands, by using a sixth selection, and bearing in mind how long it takes for 'talls' to come on, any talk of de-list is nonsense.

People are entitled to their views, but the club was clearly of the view that they couldn't pick up someone better by using a sixth pick, otherwise they would have done so. I'm not privy to the work that goes on behind the scenes with regards to list management, but I'll stick my neck out and say that an awful lot of work goes into these decisions. And if we used a sixth pick, it probably wouldn't have been Rhett on the outer......

Biglands may play every game in 2008, or he may play none. Chances are he'll be somewhere in between, but how the hell would any of us know how many that will be before a ball has been kicked in 2007?

And by delisting Biglands does that guarantee that Maric & Meesen sign on for the club long term? What happens if one breaks down and another moves on? We'd all be saying how silly the club was for delisting Biglands.

Anyway, he's on the list, so the club sees something in him. Rhett, all the best with your recovery mate and a successful return to AFL footy.

 

[maccas_no1]

(1) Assuming Maric and Meeson step up to become AFL ruckmen this year then Biglands may be 4th in line for a ruckspot in 2008. Good list management dictates depth. If Meeson and Maric dont step up Biglands could still have a roll to play for a couple of years.

(2) He kicked approx 25 goals this year from very limited opportunities in the forward line. I would have thought he had the best ratio of goals/time spent up forward in our team. Not bad huh? Could be a role there

(3) I cant imagine our club delisting a good servan mid-contract due to a knee. Thats a pretty amateurish suggestion C98

All what I have been trying to say good work and a good post, but hey C98 doesnt see that.

 

[maccas_no1]

Hopefully they will be leading the rucks and dominating the league. If Biglands and Hudson are kept out of the side by them then fantastic, as both Huddo and Biglands are more than handy players.

Hopefully guys like Knights, Van Berlo and Pfeiffer are carving the opposition up in midfield spots, and guys getting a regular game now can't force their way into the side.

That's the ideal case scenario........but things don't always work out as they do in our dreams. Good players aren't simply going to step aside and give away their spot in the team, or the squad. Ideally we will have competition for places.

We had 5 picks at the draft. Now unless you think that you can get a better player than, for example, Rhett Biglands, by using a sixth selection, and bearing in mind how long it takes for 'talls' to come on, any talk of de-list is nonsense.

People are entitled to their views, but the club was clearly of the view that they couldn't pick up someone better by using a sixth pick, otherwise they would have done so. I'm not privy to the work that goes on behind the scenes with regards to list management, but I'll stick my neck out and say that an awful lot of work goes into these decisions. And if we used a sixth pick, it probably wouldn't have been Rhett on the outer......

Biglands may play every game in 2008, or he may play none. Chances are he'll be somewhere in between, but how the hell would any of us know how many that will be before a ball has been kicked in 2007?

And by delisting Biglands does that guarantee that Maric & Meesen sign on for the club long term? What happens if one breaks down and another moves on? We'd all be saying how silly the club was for delisting Biglands.

Anyway, he's on the list, so the club sees something in him. Rhett, all the best with your recovery mate and a successful return to AFL footy.

Best post of this thread, excellent work mate, and my thoughts exactly, C98 thinks quick play all the kids in 2007 and anyone else can go jump because I want a Premiership real quick because the AFC have ballsed it up in 2005 and 2006

C98 dont forget to cross another day off the calender today

 

[Alex99]

Best post of this thread, excellent work mate, and my thoughts exactly, C98 thinks quick play all the kids in 2007 and anyone else can go jump because I want a Premiership real quick because the AFC have ballsed it up in 2005 and 2006

C98 dont forget to cross another day off the calender today

Shakes head in amazement –


What is the major objective every club wants to achieve every year? (Please answer this)

Isn’t it to win a premiership, not to finish second or third or even sixteenth for draft picks but to win a premiership? In the last 2 year we have not been good enough (for what ever reason) so how are we going to become a premiership team if we keep the same player year in year out and do not introduce new players into the system.

I do not want to finish 2nd or 5th or even 16th, I want to win a premiership and win one as soon as possible (hopefully every year).

Hopefully so do you. If you do not understand that then I am sorry because you must follow the sport for a different reason than I do.

 

[Alex99]

(1) Assuming Maric and Meeson step up to become AFL ruckmen this year then Biglands may be 4th in line for a ruckspot in 2008. Good list management dictates depth. If Meeson and Maric dont step up Biglands could still have a roll to play for a couple of years.

Assuming we have a poor year and finish about 6th – 12th on the ladder, are we going to take a step back and play a 31 year old ruckman with a bad knee? Wouldn’t this be a perfect opportunity to completely start the rebuilding process?

Assuming we have a very good year and some how win the premiership and Ivan Maric and John Meesen both have good seasons, are we going to take a step back and play a 31 year old ruckman with a bad knee? Wouldn’t this be a perfect opportunity to enhance the rebuilding process?

Either way Rhett Biglands isn’t going to play any part in season 2007 and Kris Massie with a broken jaw is going to already behind the 8 ball for a place in the side.

(2) He kicked approx 25 goals this year from very limited opportunities in the forward line. I would have thought he had the best ratio of goals/time spent up forward in our team. Not bad huh? Could be a role there

The first full year Neil Craig took over as senior coach, wasn’t this his plan. To play Mathew Clarke and Ben Hudson as duel ruckman and have Rhett Biglands play in a forward pocket? That plan didn’t last long as he isn’t an instinctive forward. As a pinch hitting forward he is ok but he would get eaten alive as a permanent forward. And that’s what they found out and didn’t implement that plan of attack.

(3) I cant imagine our club delisting a good servan mid-contract due to a knee. Thats a pretty amateurish suggestion C98

For the record – I am astounded that Rhett Biglands was offered a contract half was though last season anyway and his contract should have waited until after the finals. He should have been asked to retire before last years AFL national draft (and in no way am suggesting they do it today or in the next few weeks).

Kris Massie would have to have a sensational season to be offered a contract for 2008 and if this didn’t happen then he should be delisted, not today or in the immediate future but at seasons end.

 

[Alex99]

Hopefully they will be leading the rucks and dominating the league. If Biglands and Hudson are kept out of the side by them then fantastic, as both Huddo and Biglands are more than handy players.

Hopefully guys like Knights, Van Berlo and Pfeiffer are carving the opposition up in midfield spots, and guys getting a regular game now can't force their way into the side.

That's the ideal case scenario........but things don't always work out as they do in our dreams. Good players aren't simply going to step aside and give away their spot in the team, or the squad. Ideally we will have competition for places.

In season 2007 as a supporter of this football club are you going to be satisfied with anything less than a premiership?

We had 5 picks at the draft. Now unless you think that you can get a better player than, for example, Rhett Biglands, by using a sixth selection, and bearing in mind how long it takes for 'talls' to come on, any talk of de-list is nonsense.

had he retired at the end of 2006, Ben Hart would still be on the list.

People are entitled to their views, but the club was clearly of the view that they couldn't pick up someone better by using a sixth pick, otherwise they would have done so. I'm not privy to the work that goes on behind the scenes with regards to list management, but I'll stick my neck out and say that an awful lot of work goes into these decisions. And if we used a sixth pick, it probably wouldn't have been Rhett on the outer......

I am talking about asking him to retire at the end of THIS season (2007), so using a Sixth pick is irrelevant.

Biglands may play every game in 2008, or he may play none. Chances are he'll be somewhere in between, but how the hell would any of us know how many that will be before a ball has been kicked in 2007?

And by delisting Biglands does that guarantee that Maric & Meesen sign on for the club long term? What happens if one breaks down and another moves on? We'd all be saying how silly the club was for delisting Biglands.

Back to my same old argument with Macca_no1, if we are not good enough to win the premiership this year, how are we supposed to get better and potentially (because nothing is guaranteed) become a premiership contender with the same group of player that have failed the last 2 years?

Anyway, he's on the list, so the club sees something in him. Rhett, all the best with your recovery mate and a successful return to AFL footy.

He can stay on the list as long he dosn't play on games.