Player Watch Billy Frampton

[Dan Moody]

Frampton just goes to show why sometimes it's not about chasing the name but the need.

Moneyball

 

[No SPIN]

When Cox and Cameron are up and about it will be such a luxury to have the option of pushing Billy back or forward. We now have the option of Coxy staying deep forward at times and letting Billy take the ruck duties for five or ten minutes while Darcy has a breather. It will give us so many choices as to how we set up.

Yes !!
It’s his additional positional flexibility that will offer a new and massively important lever for Fly to use during a game.

 

[#23 Hill]

One of my relos rang up last night with one of their "hot takes" and started bagging Frampton with the ol he's not bad but.....

Some people.

 

[Horaceg]

Thought this guy was going to be depth and break glass in an emergency recruit, happy to be wrong, great pick up.

 

[Maggie5]

Just did a search in this thread to see what I had posted about him. Hmm not that bad more about liking Kyrgios and being anti vax, nothing about his football. So glad as I normally jump the gun and am wrong.

Has been a real surprise packet and great addition to the team.

 

[stormskye]

The first few pages of this thread make for some interesting reading

 

[Kes1984]

Tall defenders we pick up from other clubs often turn out pretty handy:

Wakelin
Clement
Howe
Roughead

you sir, had great insight!

 

[loki04]

You go a little further than I would. If Frampton was suggested as a first ruck option I wouldn't be impressed. As a guy thats filling a role, that has few AFL games to his name, he deserves kodos. He didn't pants the mullet for mine, and I believe the mullet is quality, but he stood up and negated any definitive advantage. Our mids did the rest. Framton deserves respect and a place in the team in the future, but thats not first ruck.

I actually think he has been more then serviceable as a first ruck. Wins enough clean taps that give our mids first use and negates a lot of others.

His around the ground work is what needs a big improvement to be on par with typical quality rucks.

Imo he as a center bounce or throw in ruck to feed mids he is better then Cameron, Cameron as a follower/forward is superior to frampton.

For the team given our lack of available KPP players obvs Frampton back and Cameron into ruck overall would be more beneficial.

It's good to know we now have a 3rd capable option without resorting to undersized Johnson.

 

[Rorzza]

Once again, stepped up and played his role.

 

[KinderSmock]

Moneyball

It's proper moneyball, too.

Moneyball doesn't refer to chasing isolated cheap talent but cheap talent that fits what the club needs. We could have traded for other players who were cheap but they wouldn't be a moneyball acquisition as they don't fit our needs or system.

 

[mocamagic]

It's proper moneyball, too.

Moneyball doesn't refer to chasing isolated cheap talent but cheap talent that fits what the club needs. We could have traded for other players who were cheap but they wouldn't be a moneyball acquisition as they don't fit our needs or system.

Yep all the more reason I was pleased not to acquire Brayden Fiorini

 

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[Vinnie Vegas]

I know he's not exactly racking up BOGs every week playing in the ruck, but the fact that he's having a crack in a role he was never supposed to be playing, without any proper support, makes him #1 in my heart every week.

 

[noideaatall]

I actually think he has been more then serviceable as a first ruck. Wins enough clean taps that give our mids first use and negates a lot of others.

His around the ground work is what needs a big improvement to be on par with typical quality rucks.

Imo he as a center bounce or throw in ruck to feed mids he is better then Cameron, Cameron as a follower/forward is superior to frampton.

For the team given our lack of available KPP players obvs Frampton back and Cameron into ruck overall would be more beneficial.

It's good to know we now have a 3rd capable option without resorting to undersized Johnson.

Yeah, your analysis is better than mine: always wondered if you might have been a ruckman? Interesting that you rate him better than Cameron at stoppages, I do too. Cox is our best there. Frampton is improving with his ruckcraft each week and has shown he can influence when the ball has hit the deck.

Do you see Frampton playing FB and giving a chop out in the ruck as a workable option?

 

[Mark W]

I actually think he has been more then serviceable as a first ruck. Wins enough clean taps that give our mids first use and negates a lot of others.

His around the ground work is what needs a big improvement to be on par with typical quality rucks.

Imo he as a center bounce or throw in ruck to feed mids he is better then Cameron, Cameron as a follower/forward is superior to frampton.

For the team given our lack of available KPP players obvs Frampton back and Cameron into ruck overall would be more beneficial.

It's good to know we now have a 3rd capable option without resorting to undersized Johnson.

Agree with most of that. I too was impressed by his first two games as ruck. He did well against Draper and Marshall who are two decent AFL quality rucks, just about broke even, and yes his taps are pretty good, gets his share of good ones...

OTOH, I thought him very soundly beaten by O'Brien yesterday. To be fair, Billy battled it out manfully but lets be honest, it was a fair pasting

 

[manicpie]

Billy must think he's landed in paradise. Gone for all money according toADelaide and the rest of the AFL. However, I always knew it was going to work because I always thought he had something about him. Even as a young kid at Port, I thought he had something. The best aprt is that now he has found the lo0ve he always yearned for and I think he will improve every year

 

[sr36]

I actually think he has been more then serviceable as a first ruck. Wins enough clean taps that give our mids first use and negates a lot of others.

His around the ground work is what needs a big improvement to be on par with typical quality rucks.

Imo he as a center bounce or throw in ruck to feed mids he is better then Cameron, Cameron as a follower/forward is superior to frampton.

For the team given our lack of available KPP players obvs Frampton back and Cameron into ruck overall would be more beneficial.

It's good to know we now have a 3rd capable option without resorting to undersized Johnson.

Agree, surprisingly good in the ruck contest, as an around the ground ruck, he needs to work out his positioning - at the moment he is spending a bit too much time in no man's land - neither far enough forward or back - with the ball flying over his head

 

[Wearmouth]

I know he's not exactly racking up BOGs every week playing in the ruck, but the fact that he's having a crack in a role he was never supposed to be playing, without any proper support, makes him #1 in my heart every week.

Vinnie gets it…..


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[Wearmouth]

What this all does is give Billy the confidence to know he is a vital cog. And that when we are full book with ruck stocks he can move back to the backline and support Darcy. And then we only really need one of Cox/Cameron. For the interim.

Keep it up Billy. Loving the effort.


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[Bogsey]

I don't know who in the club had the idea to bring this fringe player, that his club had no idea where or how to play him... on the verge of AFL obscurity. Bring him all the way to the big smoke to the biggest club in town.
But that person who had the idea needs a fat bonus! Well done!
He can do it down back, can do it in the ruck and has been able to snag a couple of goals too. Keep it up Frammo!

(The fact Adelaide had no idea how to use Billy makes me hopeful for [PLAYERCARD]Matt Crouch[/PLAYERCARD])

 

[Jelly Bean]

It's proper moneyball, too.

Moneyball doesn't refer to chasing isolated cheap talent but cheap talent that fits what the club needs. We could have traded for other players who were cheap but they wouldn't be a moneyball acquisition as they don't fit our needs or system.

It's not proper moneyball, and moneyball isn't about just 'fitting a need'.

Moneyball is about identifying players that have been undervalued (mostly due to recruiting bias) but who have characteristic that contribute more to wins than those of the traditional player.

 

[VinnieB]

He looks ok in defence, but he's basically a negator, and he's only valuable with the injuries. His impact on the game in the ruck was far far greater than anything he did in defence. He wasn't in defence against the Bombers, and despite all the outs including Murphy, we held up fine.

I think as a defender he's arguably not best 22 with a fully healthy squad, while he shows way more potential as a second ruck who could potentially go forward or back.

I think the last comment can't really be substantiated just yet. His performance was not anything less than you would expect from Cameron, including in the hit outs. He also took 2 contested marks against the bombers. And he has far less experience rucking than Darcy Cameron or Mason Cox so I would expect potential further upside where Cameron and Cox are basically what they are. We literally have no idea if he can keep it up, but I'm more comfortable with his ability to ruck on a more full time basis than I am lets say with Cox due to age and injury issues. I'd want to keep developing him in the ruck moving forward regardless of getting the other two back, as I see far more upside from him in that role than as a full time defender. I think second ruck, with the ability to swing either end is his ideal role moving forward, particularly once Cox finishes up.

I thought I heard a stat that when playing back, Frampton has only lost 1 or 2 1-on1 contests. The fewest in the game. I thought he was coming along very nicely down back.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Possibly the recruit of the year.

 

[neilk]

They were booing when he lined up for goal, but not because he was an ex Crow, they always do that after a free they don't like.

Is there ever a free against them they do like?

 

[neilk]

It's not proper moneyball, and moneyball isn't about just 'fitting a need'.

Moneyball is about identifying players that have been undervalued (mostly due to recruiting bias) but who have characteristic that contribute more to wins than those of the traditional player.

Perfect description!