Bit perplexed with our trading strategy

[Snoop Dog]

Look the club has done a good job with the kids over the last few years so that should be our focus and trying to land a prem in the 2 years will be tough with the Cats and Hawks so far ahead but........

We need a midfield ball winner - Bucks said as much last night saying it would make a massive difference to us. If Cousins (as Patrick Smith says is more unlikely to land at Pies) then surely we should be looking at Okeefe. Most people will peg him as a fwd but Swans fan in the know will tell you he played a lot on ball this year and was a clear ball winner for them. Our second round and a player like Shaw (Swans desperate for pace and Shaw did have a good year) or even someone like Ben Reid if they threw something back at us like a 3rd round or 4th round would make sense;

ie

Okeefe and # 59?

for

#29 and Reid or Shaw (without the #59 from them)

would seem to me to be fairish.

Equally Prismall for a third round seems like great value so would have thought we should be in there with our lack of mids.

If we dont go for any of these blokes or get COusins I suspect the msg to us is that we dont think we are that close.

 

[Kirby]

I find your desire to get rid of Reid to be more perplexing.

ROK is not a genuine midfielder. He's a bit like Dids in that he can pinch hit but at 27 he's not going to suddenly become some gun in that position.

We wont get Prismall for a third rounder because Essendon are offering their 3rd rounder which is a better pick than ours.

 

[hellfire]

Reid should be untouchable, unless for it's for someone like Kerr.

He is a massive part of our future, and the club obviously agrees by re-signing him so quickly this year.

Rhyce and 2nd rounder I would do, but they obviously wouldn't.

 

[shawthing09]

As far as I can tell O'Keefe plays his best football as a foward. His big strength is his endurance base and ability to play taller then he is. He runs his defenders off their feet and racks up possies.

He may have played a fair bit up the ground this year but it was much more as wing and link man then a true ball winning on baller. We have enough flank / mids.

Prismal again is not a ball winner. He is more an outside player with great skills who can do it for himself when asked to go. His not a natural ball winner.

From all reports we have been very keen on Benny co and if we were to not go for him it would be because we have stumbled across something we didn't like.

 

[Nickelass]

Pies don't usually use the media much in these situations and prefer to play their cards close to their chests. Clubs are playing hard ball at the moment - Sydney saying 1st round pick etc. Deals wont be done until the last day.

BTW. My wish list is Prismall and Cousins. O'Keefe is a gun but a genuine mid he is not. The other two certainly are and wont cost as much.

 

[Snoop Dog]

suspect you need to watch a bit more of OKeefe - he doesnt actually play a position. He does start wing/hf but he runs deep into defensive zones for contests and is one of their better ball winners. If anybody saw the Carlton game you would have gotten a sense of that. as one poster said his endurance base is huge and at 27 is probably at the ideal age for spending 10 mins per qtr in their. Reality is we only have Swan as a ball winner along with the efforts of OBree. We need someone with that capability and Cousins Okeefe and Harris appear to be the only ones availble. As Bucks said, this is our weakness and if we got a proven player in that area then we would improve dramatically.

Reid may be good but he aint untouchable - got a long way to go as a defensive back and we ample KPF's coming thru so he is expendable. Dont get me wrong - I love him but he aint untouchable.

And notwithstanding where teams relative picks lie, there is always ways of swapping other picks or adding players to make a trade work when you have a team ahead of you in the pick order.

 

[ChipDouglas]

suspect you need to watch a bit more of OKeefe - he doesnt actually play a position. He does start wing/hf but he runs deep into defensive zones for contests and is one of their better ball winners. If anybody saw the Carlton game you would have gotten a sense of that. as one poster said his endurance base is huge and at 27 is probably at the ideal age for spending 10 mins per qtr in their. Reality is we only have Swan as a ball winner along with the efforts of OBree. We need someone with that capability and Cousins Okeefe and Harris appear to be the only ones availble. As Bucks said, this is our weakness and if we got a proven player in that area then we would improve dramatically.

Reid may be good but he aint untouchable - got a long way to go as a defensive back and we ample KPF's coming thru so he is expendable. Dont get me wrong - I love him but he aint untouchable.

And notwithstanding where teams relative picks lie, there is always ways of swapping other picks or adding players to make a trade work when you have a team ahead of you in the pick order.

Snoop he's a hit up half forward who covers a lot of ground. Our forward line is not an area of concern.

 

[daics cousin]

I am a little perplexed at how the pies are handling the trade week.

As usual we are non active.

Port has offered pick 4 for didak. Didak is off the trade table.
I can live with that,but alot of other supporters think otherwise


We desperately need a good ruckman.Seaby and macintosh are up for trade.......Nothing happening there either.For mine Seaby would be the go he will the cheaper of the two,and seaby and wood could handle the ruck duties which would release josh,to play all around the ground.

Daniel harris,adam thomson,and prismall are on the trade table but again leaving it to other clubs,no reaction from the pies.

Rhyce shaw wants out was the mail,now its a rumour and he and ben Johnson are poised to stay.I would have off loaded at least one if not the two for harris and prismall.


I just hope they don't miss out on Ben Cousins in dec.

It seems like its la la land during trade week with the pies.Wake me up for Arizona.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[shawthing09]

That's the thing snoop his not the type of ball winner we need. He hasn't shown real ability around the stoppages which is where ball winners are most vital. He is allowed to play a linking foward who covers a lot of ground for a reason. Sure he plays the role with no limitations but a midfielder he is not at least not at the level you are hoping for.

 

[daics cousin]

I just hope that we don't become the cellar dwellers of the top eight.

We seem content with finishing, between 5th and 8th.

We either top up and go towards having acrack at the flag in a year or two,or we trade aggresively to pick up draft picks and build a young side that will grow together and become a force in afew years.

WHICH IS IT COLLINGWOOD?

WELL NOW DO DON'T THINK !

HELLO WAKE UP , THERE'S STILL A FEW DAYS LEFT TO TRADE !

 

[well left]

I reckon Reid is as untouchable as Cloke and Brown. That is how highly I think the club rates him - rightly or wrongly. I just can't see him being traded.

It's only Tuesday lunch - don't get too concerned yet.

There really isn't much for us to get excited about this early. The type of players we need are the inside mids like Thomson and Harris and they are not the big fish - they traditionally have to wait for the O'Keefe and Warnock style trades to go through before their turn comes.

As for the ruckmen floating around, whilst we should be persuing them I think we would have to give up pick 11 for them as others such as Carlton, Richmond and Melbourne have better picks to give up.

With Didak seemingly off the table, we will be relatively quiet this week. Maybe a Rhyce out and a pick or Harris/Thomson in.

 

[The Dawes]

I reckon Reid is as untouchable as Cloke and Brown. That is how highly I think the club rates him - rightly or wrongly. I just can't see him being traded.

It's only Tuesday lunch - don't get too concerned yet.

There really isn't much for us to get excited about this early. The type of players we need are the inside mids like Thomson and Harris and they are not the big fish - they traditionally have to wait for the O'Keefe and Warnock style trades to go through before their turn comes.

As for the ruckmen floating around, whilst we should be persuing them I think we would have to give up pick 11 for them as others such as Carlton, Richmond and Melbourne have better picks to give up.

With Didak seemingly off the table, we will be relatively quiet this week. Maybe a Rhyce out and a pick or Harris/Thomson in.

Agreed.

Everytime one of the coaching staff talk about Reid, it's clear they think he will become a top player - Gavin Brown rates him as an exceptional talent in his player review on the club website. Any talk of trading him is a waste of time and effort.

Most trades don't proceed until late in the week, so there's still time for us to be involved - if we want to be involved.

 

[pendles]

Agreed.

Everytime one of the coaching staff talk about Reid, it's clear they think he will become a top player - Gavin Brown rates him as an exceptional talent in his player review on the club website. Any talk of trading him is a waste of time and effort.

Most trades don't proceed until late in the week, so there's still time for us to be involved - if we want to be involved.

He also rated Chris Egan an exceptional talent...

 

[The 10th Letter]

I would be seriously disappointed if we went after O'Keefe, especially if it cost us our first or second round draft pick. I'd much rather try our hand at the draft as opposed to go after a 27 year old half-forward flanker, of which we have an abundance.

He's not going to correct any of our midfield deficiencies and would just add to our surplus of forward options.

 

[cousin leo]

Maybe a Rhyce out and a pick or Harris/Thomson in.[/quote]


Would be happy if this is all we did. We dont need ROK and if we can get Seaby cheap then great. The way the ball gets thrown in with 4 boundary umpires 200cm 105kg plus ruckman will not be suitable for todays game anyway.
Get Harris/Thomos and trust in Hinde

 

[bucksisbest]

O'Keefe can link up around the ground , but is not a 'ball winning' midfielder. That trade with Reid as an extra on top of a 2nd round draft pick was absolutely terrible.

 

[mdc]

Okeefe and # 59?

for

#29 and Reid or Shaw (without the #59 from them)

So the difference in value between Reid and Shaw is pick 59?

As I've said elsewhere, and others have said in this thread, O'Keefe is not a midfielder, will never be a midfielder, and it would be insane to trade for him given our needs.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Come now Snoop - You should know as well as anyone that without being a member of the football department, we have no idea what Collingwood's trading strategy is.

They could be pursuing something that nobody has gotten word on, and subsequently that we don't know about - I highly doubt they're there just twiddling their thumbs and not talking about doing anything.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Come now Snoop - You should know as well as anyone that without being a member of the football department, we have no idea what Collingwood's trading strategy is.

They could be pursuing something that nobody has gotten word on, and subsequently that we don't know about - I highly doubt they're there just twiddling their thumbs and not talking about doing anything.

hence why i am a bit perplexed which is the title of the thread (not is OKeefe a midfielder or not!). All I have heard about either indirectly or directly is the need to have a quality inside mid / ball winner that has some class. Hence I am a bit perplexed that we dont appear to be in the mix for any of them.

as you say something might be bubbling......but seeming like another trade period where we dont make the difficult choices to get what we need.

Take Judd as an example - I can tell you the only reason he went to Carlton was bc they convinced him they would give up their first pick if required. Our answer was "leave it to us' we will figure it out" - he walked away convinced carlton would do the deal and unconvinced we would. Forget whether Carlton would have ultimately got the deal - the point is we werent prepared to make the call to say Fraser to Richmond for #2 and add Reid or #14 (suggestion only) to it. That deal would have had a chance.....and frankly we would have been better served with it IMHO.

VV - as right as you may be.....our form on making hard choices is pretty poor.

 

[Dave The Man]

I think our Trade Strategy is to do Nothing

 

[3rdMan]

O'Keefe - not what we need, definitely not worth giving up a second round pick for, too old. We have a young list, our "premiership window" does not open for at least a couple of years, this cannot be altered by adding one or two older players, too many of our core group are 21 or younger.

On our drafting strategy - it's quite clear that any trade we do will only be small, upgrading picks or moving on fringe players. These usually get done right at the end, and do not require the interminable talks the bigger trades do. So, if we do have any of these planned, it's not surprising we haven't heard anything about them. Add to this that Walsh seems to be giving less information to the media than others.

You say that we need a ball winning midfielder, and that the club acknowledges this. This is quite possibly true, but even if so, we do not need to obtain such a player via trade, the draft is yet to come. Maybe there is just not anything out there that interests us in trade week.

 

[jerry springer]

i dont think we have a "strategy' at all

looks like we are relying on hine and draft picks to better the team

 

[Keele]

3rdman

You say that we need a ball winning midfielder, and that the club acknowledges this. This is quite possibly true, but even if so, we do not need to obtain such a player via trade, the draft is yet to come. Maybe there is just not anything out there that interests us in trade week.

I agree... we only have a certain amount we can offer and what may interest us and other clubs may be out of reach for most and ruin our youth policy if we sacrifice. I think most clubs are aware as well that this year is a good year for the draft and you need to get what you can for the future.

Those that have good second and third round choices are the ones most likely to deal

 

[shawthing09]

I actually disagree Snoop. I don't think I have seen a trade go through, including the Judd one that I thought we would have been better for.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Hence I am a bit perplexed that we dont appear to be in the mix for any of them.

As I said, you should know as well as anyone that appearances mean SFA at this point in the week - Nothing has happened yet, and anything being proposed is pure hearsay.

Your criticism might be valid if we haven't made a move by the end of the week, but it should probably wait until then.

as you say something might be bubbling......but seeming like another trade period where we dont make the difficult choices to get what we need.

Come on - We've been one of the more involved clubs in the last couple of trade weeks.

We were the only team to trade IN to the first round in what was considered to be a strong draft in 2006, and then we were the only team to trade OUT of the first round altogether in what was considered a weak draft last year.

Two consecutive years with major trades involving 1st round picks is more active than any other team has been, so I don't think it's fair to say that we don't make the choices we need to make.

It's also impossible to say that we haven't PURSUED certain things that would have improved us, and not been able to work anything that would have advantaged us... Sometimes you can try to make a deal that the other team just won't go for.