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Seen a fair bit of commentary about the knee that Meek brought up, but this is a interesting take.
Umpiring Blicavs blocking in the ruck
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I’m sorry, where does Blicavs looking at him mean he has “no choice” but to not lift his knee?!
He has plenty of other choices other than illegally kneeing someone.
This is hilariously ridiculous. Meeks primary choice would have been to push back into Blicavs with his body/arms. The ball was coming down on Meeks side so Blicavs was always going to run across the center line, that means nothing unless the ball has gone straight up which it didn’t
It’s an illegal act. The AFL sent out a memo identifying it as such.
He has plenty of other choices other than illegally kneeing someone.
This is hilariously ridiculous. Meeks primary choice would have been to push back into Blicavs with his body/arms. The ball was coming down on Meeks side so Blicavs was always going to run across the center line, that means nothing unless the ball has gone straight up which it didn’t
It’s an illegal act. The AFL sent out a memo identifying it as such.
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Tell me you know nothing about rucking without telling me.I’m sorry, where does Blicavs looking at him mean he has “no choice” but to not lift his knee?!
He has plenty of other choices other than illegally kneeing someone.
This is hilariously ridiculous. Meeks primary choice would have been to push back into Blicavs with his body/arms. The ball was coming down on Meeks side so Blicavs was always going to run across the center line, that means nothing unless the ball has gone straight up which it didn’t
It’s an illegal act. The AFL sent out a memo identifying it as such.
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Blics was lucky it got him where it did to be honest. Meek had actually been training for this throughout the week.
Ok
Elaborate 1) how Meek had nothing else to do bar lift his knee, which the AFL JUST said don’t bloody do
And
2) elaborate how Blicavs was in the wrong for crossing the center when it was clear the ball was falling that way
And
3) elaborate how Blicavs looking at his opponent before engaging means Meek can just knee him in the ribs
Incidentally, if Meek saw Blicavs looking at him, that means Meek was looking at Blicavs!!! Oh no!
Meek
1) free against
2) fined at match review
3) does an act that was crack downed on by the AFL 2 weeks ago
Strapping Young Lad
1) thinks Meek was rucking properly
Yet it is I that doesn’t know how to ruck
1) free against
2) fined at match review
3) does an act that was crack downed on by the AFL 2 weeks ago
Strapping Young Lad
1) thinks Meek was rucking properly
Yet it is I that doesn’t know how to ruck
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I can tell you’ve never rucked in your life.Ok
Elaborate 1) how Meek had nothing else to do bar lift his knee, which the AFL JUST said don’t bloody do
And
2) elaborate how Blicavs was in the wrong for crossing the center when it was clear the ball was falling that way
And
3) elaborate how Blicavs looking at his opponent before engaging means Meek can just knee him in the ribs
Incidentally, if Meek saw Blicavs looking at him, that means Meek was looking at Blicavs!!! Oh no!
Go watch Nathan Buckley on “On the couch” last night and you’ll see the argument.
Come back here when you have watched it.
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s**t take OP. Meek lucky to be playing this weekend.
This is a really dumb, desperate take, OP, and I think you know it.
It's not just Blicavs though, it's widespread throughout the league.
It's a pretty simple rule really - it's just that ruck contests are so rarely adjudicated correctly. At times it seems to have more to do with the colour of the jumper and the size of your reputation than the rulebook.
13.2 CONTESTING THE CENTRE BOUNCE OR THROW-UP
(a) The centre bounce or throw-up of the football shall be contested by the Ruck who must start with both feet within the Ten Metre Circle, and may only enter the Team’s attacking half or exit the Ten Metre Circle after the football is bounced or thrown up by the field Umpire.
No rule broken here; ball is thrown up, player crosses the line afterwards.
18.3 PROHIBITED CONTACT
18.3.1 Spirit and Intention
A Player who makes the football their sole objective shall be provided every opportunity to do so.
Hawks rucks were denied every opportunity to contest the ruck. Initial Cats intent was not the football, but to block the Hawk ruck.
18.4 RUCK CONTESTS
18.4.1 Spirit and Intention
The Ruck whose sole objective is to contest the football shall be permitted to do so.
Hawks were not permitted to do so because Cats first intention was to block our path to the contest.
18.4.3 Free Kicks - Ruck Contests
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick in a Ruck contest against a Player where the Player:
(c) blocks an opposition Ruck;
Hawthorn rucks were blocked, consistently throughout the game.
It's a pretty simple rule really - it's just that ruck contests are so rarely adjudicated correctly. At times it seems to have more to do with the colour of the jumper and the size of your reputation than the rulebook.
13.2 CONTESTING THE CENTRE BOUNCE OR THROW-UP
(a) The centre bounce or throw-up of the football shall be contested by the Ruck who must start with both feet within the Ten Metre Circle, and may only enter the Team’s attacking half or exit the Ten Metre Circle after the football is bounced or thrown up by the field Umpire.
No rule broken here; ball is thrown up, player crosses the line afterwards.
18.3 PROHIBITED CONTACT
18.3.1 Spirit and Intention
A Player who makes the football their sole objective shall be provided every opportunity to do so.
Hawks rucks were denied every opportunity to contest the ruck. Initial Cats intent was not the football, but to block the Hawk ruck.
18.4 RUCK CONTESTS
18.4.1 Spirit and Intention
The Ruck whose sole objective is to contest the football shall be permitted to do so.
Hawks were not permitted to do so because Cats first intention was to block our path to the contest.
18.4.3 Free Kicks - Ruck Contests
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick in a Ruck contest against a Player where the Player:
(c) blocks an opposition Ruck;
Hawthorn rucks were blocked, consistently throughout the game.
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Clear Geelong tactic for their rucks to cross the line and block their opponents' jump at the ball. Expect knees until you stop imo.
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Is it any wonder why Geelong ruckmen have been on the receiving end on two occasions?
Have no idea why this is even a fine, if Blicavs actually contested the ruck contest and not just run into Meek wouldn't even be a talking point.
Like * every junior is told to use the knees to block the area in front of them to A. Take a mark or B. Tap the ball
Like * every junior is told to use the knees to block the area in front of them to A. Take a mark or B. Tap the ball
So to protect their area what body part do ruckman use or you telling me them just jump straight up with their arms?
Meek takes a step and sees Blicavs running at him with no eyes for the ball, he braces for contact by putting both hands out in front and lifting his knee. Blicavs runs into it.
The bounce
Meek has taken 1 step, Blicavs has eyes only for meek and charges at him already 3 steps.
Over runs the drop of the ball, makes contact with meek well before he has the chance to jump at the ball. Meek trying to simply brace for impact, with blicavs traveling 3x his speed. if he turns with his shoulder he gets blicavs in the head, if he does nothing, he potentially gets hurt himself.
The bounce
Meek has taken 1 step, Blicavs has eyes only for meek and charges at him already 3 steps.
Over runs the drop of the ball, makes contact with meek well before he has the chance to jump at the ball. Meek trying to simply brace for impact, with blicavs traveling 3x his speed. if he turns with his shoulder he gets blicavs in the head, if he does nothing, he potentially gets hurt himself.
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I was in the Meek gets a fine camp, but that vision showing Blicavs running straight at Meek and not even looking at the ball, while Meek is only looking at the ball really does show how badly Blicavs ****ed up.
Who is the Geelong ruck coach?
Who is the Geelong ruck coach?
Why would you need to raise a knee to brace for contact when you're both standing on the ground? You're not allowed to do it, so if you know the other guy isn't coming at you with a knee then you don't need one either.
You say Blicavs overran the ball, look where it landed. Meek had to backtrack and even then still reach behind his head to get a hand on the ball. He's the one who went past it.
You're making this very complicated when it's really not. You can't use your knee to attack/block/whatever the other guy when you're standing on the ground
DeKoning got off because there wasn't anything specifically written in the rules about this type of action at that time, since then the AFL has made it clear to all clubs that you're not allowed to do it so Meek wouldn't get off if he appealed
They haven't actually re-written the rules in the last couple of weeks though, have they?
No but I don't think they have to literally change the laws of the game to make adjustments to the rules
Will depend on the exact wording of the memo that went out.
Because Meek is looking at the ball and sees Blicavs charging at him from his periphery. He doesnt know if he has a knee up jumping into him or not cos he is focused mostly on the ball (unlike blicavs who is looking solely at meek). If you have a ruckman in a ruck contest running at you and you are looking at the ball, well most ruckmen jump for the ball with their knee, so yeah putting your knee up as protection is something you would do. Otherwise you get a knee in your ribs yourself.
Meek is well known to throw his weight around. Always had that grunt about him.
I hated it but I have to be honest, Blicavs tends to always watch where the opposing ruck is running in from before making a tactical decision. So in essence, he's very much a reactive ruck as he's physically smaller (198cm) than most.
I think the sooner we get young Conway into the mix, the better.
At 206cm/101kg, it's what we have been lacking ever since the Steven King/Brad Ottens days.
If Meek was focused on the ball he wasn't focusing very hard considering it went right over his head. Even if there was no rule about the knees, the umpire could have still paid a block against Meek when you look where the ball ended up. After making contact with Blicavs he had to backtrack just to get anywhere near the ball.
If Meek got distracted by Blicavs rushing towards him and that's why he stuck out his knee then it's a reaction he'll have to get out of his game cos it's now an illegal move.
That's the life of a ruckman, sometimes you'll get a guy jumping all over you and you're also allowed to try to do that to them too, but you can't just stand there and knee a guy who's standing on the ground in the ribs and pretend it's a a defensive move
