Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[Chism]

If you're saying the panel will deem every tried coach an unworthy candidate then yes, I don't want a tried coach.

No dramas and a rookie it is for you.

We are all different and that is cool but i want people to actually say what they want instead of just slagging everyone else off while sitting on the fence!

 

[lachie charm]

No dramas and a rookie it is for you.

We are all different and that is cool but i want people to actually say what they want instead of just slagging everyone else off while sitting on the fence!

As Harks says above, you're reading it wrong.

 

[Stamos]

Throw up who you want?

I want Jason Dunstall leading a panel to select a coach.
Due diligence, best practice, all that management speak bullshit that we actually have to apply.

 

[HARKER]

They will go through the correct process....

6 quick & easy steps.

Step 1- Matho will ring Worsfold and ask him his price.
Step 2- Matho will ring the club and tell them Worsfold is to be the only applicant to be interviewed and to get back to him after the interview for discussion.
Step 3- Matho will ask the interview panel who impressed them the most at the interview, Interview panel will say that Worsfold came across the best in terms of vision going forward and professionalism.
Step 4- Matho will tell the panel to suggest to the board that they hire Worsfold based on the ratings out of the interview process.
Step 5- Board will announce Worsfold as the new coach.
Step 6- Matho will continue to financially support the CFC going forward.

I wish you were 100% wrong...................I honestly hope you are.....................but it's a good (and somewhat funny) post nonetheless.

 

[Chism]

Mate, you're reading it wrong and we seem to all be turning on each other here............and that's a shame, because we're not the problem.

We gave Malthouse Carte Blanche and even though we did start our rebuild process 2 years ago.........much through his pushing, he's now being handled as though he's an idiot. That's not nice nor particularly encouraging for us trying to entice someone new coming to our club.

Money is great but a workplace that's conducive to a common goal is better.

No way, we are all frustrated and this i understand.

No one is turning on anyone at all, it is a discussion and all good. I just want others to say actually who they do want instead of just slagging off the club while not actually saying who they think is the right choice for the role.

 

[BlueVision]

I too can not understand why people are negative Woosha - I'd like to know why exactly ( for example) he would be no good. Personally I have no idea who would be a good candidate(s) to replace this epic failure of coach - except to say I can't see anyone doing a worse job.

I am not saying Worsfold wouldn't be a good fit at our club JB, but I want to see a process like others here, a selection panel & a criteria that is followed, if at the end of that process the panel decides it's Worsfold or any other candidate then I will back the new coach 110% & I think most would be the same.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Yes he has. When I was working at Carlton in 2003 he was 2IC to Shane o'Sullivan.

He was also the one who pushed hard for Karl Norman. He seems to know a lot about players in the Murray/Riverina regions.

Well hopefully he is all over Will Brodie then........

 

[BluesRule]

Lets have a process and get the best fit for CFC. I think Ratten would have learnt a lot at the Hawks and would hope he gets seriously considered.

 

[Chism]

I think Cameron Ling would be a great get on a coaching panel but he does not want it right now and turned down massive money from the Demons to be Paul Roos successor as his heart was not in it.

 

[1981]

I am hesitant to go with Woosha for three reasons ...

1. I recall hearing a few years back , by knowledgeable people , that he is not a good tactician. Now these people might be wrong but that's what I was told for good or bad.
2. His last stint, granted earlier he delivered a flag, nevertheless ended in failure .
3. He has been out of the caper for a while, granted not terribly long though the game does change yearly and some would say more regularly than that so is he across all the changes in tactics etc?

So not a lot to go on admittedly but that's my view anyhow

 

[Dramoth]

Well first up would be to nominate a panel to conduct the interview process, this just appointing a coach doesn't work, hasn't worked..cannot keep sacking coaches, apget a list of candidates, and go from there and if JW is sucessful, well so be it. A rookie coach or untried is fraught with danger have a look at eseendon, even seasoned coaches can't work magic look at Roos, we simply don't have the players, we need the cattle.

The senior coaches from state level are not really rookie coaches or untried. Someone like Bassett, a 3 time premiership coach at Norwood, would actually have a club about how to coach a side and develop players.

What happened with St Jimmy at Essendon is that they appointed their golden child thinking that under the tutelage of Bomber Thompson, Hird would actually become a good coach. They didnt really expect him to go off the reservation like he did.

 

[thylacine60]

I wanna be surprised.

 

[HARKER]

No way, we are all frustrated and this i understand.

No one is turning on anyone at all, it is a discussion and all good. I just want others to say actually who they do want instead of just slagging off the club while not actually saying who they think is the right choice for the role.

The club is a sum of it's parts and I have no qualms with the players, nor the majority of the footballing department...........not even the administration but the board does have some an overseeing role in the whole running of things and they have failed us and are continuing to do so.

They're not an invisible force and they can be got to and we have to let them know that we're not happy with what they've done for us.

We can write a little letter on a one-to-one basis but if they had balls they'd come to our forums and tell us directly.............It may be ground-breaking stuff but if they want engagement..........get engaged and show us what you're made of. Give us the truth.

 

[Dramoth]

I wanna be surprised.

so we should all shut up about Woosha being our next coach so you can be surprised

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

No dramas and a rookie it is for you.

We are all different and that is cool but i want people to actually say what they want instead of just slagging everyone else off while sitting on the fence!

This is what I want:

--Sack Malthouse at the bye
--Appoint either Laidley or Barker as caretaker coach til the end of the year
--Use the weeks until the end of the season to interview the out of contract senior coaches i.e. Mckenna, Worsfold, Voss, Sanderson etc
--Once that process is completed, interview the Assistant Coaches and "rookies" i.e. Bassett, Tudor, Dew, Bolton
--Make their decision based on an exhaustive process and choose the right person for the job.

 

[HBF]

Well said MEB_
I hope someone from the club is reading that to know how to undertake a proper recruitment process.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Either keep Mick and tell him to play, for example, Graham instead of Warnock each week, or piss him off for someone who will. It doesn't matter who if they're a placeholder. The lower the finish, the better the draft pick. I'm comfortable with that for 2015.

I was one who thought Ratten deserved to see out the last year (2013) of his contract. I'm not sure we'd be in any better position now if he had though. The list needed renewing no matter who was in charge. Therefore I don't blame Mick for where we are, I just don't think he's doing what's in our best long term interests now.

I've no opinion as to who should replace him, but follow Dick Pratt's maxim: Don't get the best available, just get the best.

 

[The_Wookie]

If we're talking about youth development, how does Barker get labelled the evil one and Matthew Capuano and Michael Osborne escape scrutiny? They are the development coaches after all.

Capuano should be fired out of a cannon into the sun.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

At least he'd be going out with a bang, amirite!

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

Okay so the secret is now revealed, Malthouse out and Edelsten in!

 

[No1Suspect]

Bassett for mine.

Still quite young in coaching years, has had continued success and knows how to win, also had a very tight knit group at the red legs and seems to have the ability to instill a culture within the players. Seems in player terms ready to take his game to the next level. Also has a good relationship with the club.

 

[The_Wookie]

The senior coaches from state level are not really rookie coaches or untried. Someone like Bassett, a 3 time premiership coach at Norwood, would actually have a club about how to coach a side and develop players.

What happened with St Jimmy at Essendon is that they appointed their golden child thinking that under the tutelage of Bomber Thompson, Hird would actually become a good coach. They didnt really expect him to go off the reservation like he did.

Id like us to have a good crack at Brendon Bolton, the hawks assistant who took over from Clarkson for a few weeks last May, without copping a loss - 5 successive victories in his first 5 games.

Its not like he's inexperienced as a coach.
Coaching record:

• North Hobart 2003-2005:
• Tassie Devils Coach 2006
• Clarence Senior Coach 2008
• Box Hill Senior Coach 2009-2010
• Hawthorn Assistant Coach 2011-

 

[HARKER]

Exhaustive process? What does that even mean?
Don't care for anyone huffing and puffing and to be frank, I think we'll just be guessing and hoping that our selection is the right one and that wins will follow.
That's all we have....as a Mathieson....a Pratt....or an Elliot have nothing more to offer.

We just don't have the brain power at hand to make the right decision for the club. Bring out the Pinata and hope we smack it's guts out in one hit.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Exhaustive process? What does that even mean?
Don't care for anyone huffing and puffing and to be frank, I think we'll just be guessing and hoping that our selection is the right one and that wins will follow.
That's all we have....as a Mathieson....a Pratt....or an Elliot have nothing more to offer.

We just don't have the brain power at hand to make the right decision for the club. Bring out the Pinata and hope we smack it's guts out in one hit.

An exhaustive process isn't exactly hard to understand. It means interviewing candidates and assessing what they'd bring to the club, not handpicking Mathieson's favourite.

I don't see anyone huffing and puffing, I just see people expressing their opinions on this discussion forum.

 

[reg_lower91]

Malthouse will be definitely gone. Some board members wanted him out right now but majority felt It was best to give caretaker coach 2 weeks to settle in. Barker most likely to be interim coach. We will also sound out the possibility of Sanderson filling in (through Trigg connection) in order to get a breath of fresh air through the club. Pretty unlikely though due to current commitments and added $$$.