Rumour Bluemour Discussion XLI

[marcmurphy3]

To add to this the only situation I would accept the bottom deal is if the 1st is top 5 in this draft. Then you move TDK compo into next year and it's the same result. But if it's either Sydney 1st it's a terrible deal

Same here but I dont know how Sydney gets a top 5 pick to ontrade us, while holding their F1.

 

[thechef95]

Suspect charlie tanked his "tour of facilities " on purpose. Swans either withdraw interest or revise down their offer, being cats back in play.

Charlie gets to where he always wanted and we have to live with the offer

Or GW holds him to his contract.

Summary of the mail I received last night from someone very close to the main man at the Blues and has had direct talks with him the past few days:

• Sydney first offer to be buffed if not overwhelmingly good
• GW in the camp of holding Charlie to his contract if we don't get what we're asking for (still a very live chance)
• Charlie has burnt bridges internally, will need to earn back the respect of many inside the club if he is held to his contract

Charlie has unfortunately made a bed that he is reluctant to lie in, but may still be forced to.

Personally, still expect this to be done, and expect a big day of news today.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

To add to this the only situation I would accept the bottom deal is if the 1st is top 5 in this draft. Then you move TDK compo into next year and it's the same result. But if it's either Sydney 1st it's a terrible deal

That won't happen imo.

Next year 1sts have a much superior value to this year's...

We'd also need another 20's pick to ensure we can match the Dean bid.

That's why 10 + 11 for say 6 + 21 from Essendon would work out so much better

 

[carlton_99]

Same here but I dont know how Sydney gets a top 5 pick to ontrade us, while holding their F1.

Yeh don't see how it happens either but just covering all bases

 

[Weitbricks]

Gentle reminder Carlton.. we don't NEED to trade Charlie. If the offer is underwhelming just walk away and you'll still have had a great trade period.

 

[Mike_blues]

Let's not jump to conclusions yet...... nothing is set in stone

 

[ferrisb]

1. Trade Curnow
2. Hendo compo
3. .....
4. Profit!

Step 3.... wait for Hawthorn to return the trade favour?

 

[Willow8777]

Campbell Town

We have a southern school teacher in the thread

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

nurry bag

 

[JK61]

Lions just won the GF with no recognisable tall forward.

All their small/medium forwards have massive X factor and can single handedly win a game. I can see we are trying to move to their model but apart from Moir (who has only played a handful of games) and Williams (to a lesser extent) there is a massive class difference.

 

[carlton_99]

That won't happen imo.

Next year 1sts have a much superior value to this year's...

We'd also need another 20's pick to ensure we can match the Dean bid.

That's why 10 + 11 for say 6 + 21 from Essendon would work out so much better

My point was more if we got the 2 1sts from Sydney we would have probably tried to move up with 10 and 11 to a top 5 pick. And then had two firsts already for next year (ours and Syd).

If we got a top 5 pick this year from Swans we would move our 10 into next year and at worst probably give us a pick that would land similar to a Swans F1.

But yes making sure we have pointe for Dean/Ison could be an issue.

 

[blue healer]

I'm not one for posturing or needing to 'win' trades but the reality is we simply need to be asking these clubs to do more if they want Charlie.

"Butter wouldn't melt in my mouth" Mackie offering three first round picks without actually trying to do any hard work to convert one of the picks into a top 10 selection for us, Sydney supposedly offering a player that they have permanently banished to the VFL (who is on best 22 money) as part of the package... Not good enough.

They need to sacrifice something and weaken their team in one area, in order to bring Curnow in.

MOAR pls

If we were the club chasing a player like Charlie would we not try like hell to avoid weakening our team in another area?

The actions of the Swans and Geelong are perfectly understandable in my view. I think this is called bartering.

 

[RPCB]

Suspect charlie tanked his "tour of facilities " on purpose. Swans either withdraw interest or revise down their offer, being cats back in play.

Charlie gets to where he always wanted and we have to live with the offer

I don’t even think Charlie would be that dumb.

He knows we will trade him to Sydney, who are willing to offer a good package. He knows Geelong are offering up a package that should actually offend Charlie Curnow - “Like, here is some shit draft picks. This is what we think you are worth.”.

If Charlie tanks his tour because of a misguided idea that Sydney will withdraw their offer and he’s Geelong’s for the taking (with the same shit package on the table), then he will be returning to Carlton with his tail behind his legs.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

If we were the club chasing a player like Charlie would we not try like hell to avoid weakening our team in another area?

The actions of the Swans and Geelong are perfectly understandable in my view. I think this is called bartering.

Yes we would definitely try to avoid it. But when you're trying to bring in one of the premier forwards in the comp, you have to give up something of substance.

 

[Blue and Silver]

36 hours or so to go

 

[Big Delut]

If the bid is matched, he has to sign a contract or he could retire...

Not true, the player also has the option of entering the draft.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

It won't happen, wishful thinking.

But gee imagine Humphrey did choose us.

Should the Sydney deal be true. The trade would be so obvious.

10 & 11 for Humphrey & 15.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

It should get done today. (Not sure if it will get held over due to the tv thing tomorrow night).

I think we are going to get hosed.

Hosed in rose petals, glitter & rainbows?

 

[Moon]

Classic response.

We drive a hard deal and it's the Baldies behind it.

Cave in, and suddenly it's all Austin's responsibility.

Wasn't it an A-grader for an A-grader or Charlie is staying from the new hardliners GW, Davies?

Am I seeing one side buckling at the knees and saying 'we tried .. oh well' ?

 

[goreds]

Not true, the player also has the option of entering the draft.
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Even worse result for the player!

 

[Weitbricks]

36 hours or so to go

and about 100 more headlines..

 

[The Blueseum]

Let's not jump to conclusions yet...... nothing is set in stone

Anthony Rock to Carlton confirmed.

 

[Faz 2000]

All their small/medium forwards have massive X factor and can single handedly win a game. I can see we are trying to move to their model but apart from Moir (who has only played a handful of games) and Williams (to a lesser extent) there is a massive class difference.

We don't need to copy it or directly replicate it - but we should take it as a bit of an indication of direction.

Our two "star" big-men surrounded by VFL plebs forward line has categorically not worked. Relying on one of two guys catching the ball on the full whilst feeding them with the most scattergun skilled midfield in the comp just doesn't hold up.

So the lesson needs to be... distribute the skill... have more guys who can do damage when the opportunity presents itself... have players forward of the ball who can win the ball in more than one way. A team where there are multiple players who are capable of ~4 goal days - on their day - is much more effective in the long run and under pressure than "we need 9 goals from Harry and Charlie to kick 12".

 

[Pablito]

Let's not jump to conclusions yet...... nothing is set in stone

Connor Stone confirmed coming to Carlton.

 

[Blue By Blood]

The cope that's already starting to occur if it's only one 1st round pick is cringe worthy stuff...

It is weak and unacceptable to only get 1 first coming back with Hayward and Florent... taking the latter player off their books, is actually doing them a solid...

I'll keep my powder dry until the deal is revealed but that would be a disaster.

I'm with you on this BF. It won't just be one first round pick. The club needs to be able to sell any Charlie trade as a win and after losing TDK and JSOS they won't accept a fair deal- it will have to be overs. We have maintained that from the start.

A good player, an average player (who Sydney desperately want off their books) and a first round pick is definitely not enough for our marquee player.

There is no way we release him for that little- it's probably not that much better than the Geelong deal and we already knocked that back. People are stressing this too much. However if it does go down like that.. I'll be in complete disbelief.