Rumour Bluemour Discussion XLI

[Aphrodite]

Surely we look at JJ? Good depth at the very least

For those asking who is JJ - Jason Johannisen

 

[RPCB]

Fly is thinking of changing clubs.

He’s going to follow Nick Daicos to Tasmania as his personal assistant.

 

[Aphrodite]

Cam Guthrie anyone, just delisted









#amidoingitright

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Surely we look at JJ? Good depth at the very least

Wouldn't think so, bloke has been cooked for a long time now.

 

[Gingerbread man]

100% - Crippa, Walsh, George & Cerra does not work!
We’ve seen it for years now, when it’s on our terms they win clearance - but move it poorly and it amounts to SFA.

Cerra playing fit is a better footballer than George & significantly more damaging, Walsh/Crippa isn’t a question who better more/damaging.

George is the weak link - has been for years, yes he’s a good player but provides zero damage - football isn’t picked on “who’s a better player but what provides a better result”,
I give zero ****s he won the B&F!

The fact he’s the “best” in club explains how poor our game plan, style and season was.

I will take Lord & Smith over George every single day, we need to evolve - another season of the same slow, crash, bash, exit backwards, no chase, no burst will be a disaster.

George is where we can improve thru evolving the game style.
His skill set is the exact opposite of what we actually need - not saying he doesn’t do what he does well, just saying it’s not what we need to get better!

Lord and a bloke who has not played a game over current B n F.
I'm lost for words

 

[Matty411]

I don't think we need JJ's type, especially with Newy to come back in + Moo coming on and demanding a spot down back. We also have Florent and Chesser who could drift back and Ollie who the club may still see as a flanker for now.

Derkson - yes. Happy for Gov to go. If the club sees benefit in Lij on the list, his talent may be worth a shot but sadly I expect him to be cut in the next week or so.

Guthrie - definitely not. Similar to Tom Mitchell. We don't need anymore slower mids.

 

[agro]

He’s going to follow Nick Daicos to Tasmania as his personal assistant.

The Emporer might be wearing clothes but some people are starting to see that its a see through shirt up top and cheekless cowboy chaps below.

 

[gbatman]

Cam Guthrie anyone, just delisted









#amidoingitright

If think we would have a look if we hadn't been so badly burnt by injury prone players and haven't just come to the end of a clean out of those sorts.

On quality, definitely but probably no. Could possibly offer him a spot as a train on player and see how he goes.

 

[agro]

If think we would have a look if we hadn't been so badly burnt by injury prone players and haven't just come to the end of a clean out of those sorts.

On quality, definitely but probably no. Could possibly offer him a spot as a train on player and see how he goes.

He's definitely cooked.

 

[Aphrodite]

If think we would have a look if we hadn't been so badly burnt by injury prone players and haven't just come to the end of a clean out of those sorts.

On quality, definitely but probably no. Could possibly offer him a spot as a train on player and see how he goes.

I wasn't serious gbatman.

 

[Treesloth]

Bit of “after” draft information. Nothing really earth shattering

Sydney were looking to trade mostly players to us for Charlie but couldn’t get many to commit. Rowbottom Campbell McInerney names that said no to a trade early

Charlie had been saying he was gone nearly all year. Gave up on season early. Geelong was preference over Sydney and GCS. As TDK & Jack gone we were happy to let him go for right price.

Humphrey had feelers out to come home and we were serious option. We asked but we’re quickly told not being traded and don’t bother offering anything. Feel he will ask again next year

No interest in Elijah at all. Damaged reputation

Chased Ned Reeves
Didn’t think Khamis would be an issue but Dogs kept changing needs
Absolutely wrapt with Chesser
We were in discussions with Florent even prior to Charlie option

Everything on table for draft. Insiders very excited by Dean & Ison. Will likely pick one more. Some believe Ison easily Top 10

Still looking at DFAs before finalising list

As someone said all of a sudden club has different look and feel and people are excited. Expectations are high and many players training already at club

List should be all good for pre season. Kemp coming along slowly. Cripps etc will be given good break and limited up until New Year

No one sees this as a rebuild.

Love for us to weave some magic and get Robey (may not be possible, if it impacts walker bid next year).

Robey, Dean and Ison would be an insane result

 

[3rd Grade Maggy]

Wouldn't think so, bloke has been cooked for a long time now.

Apparently he played 16 games this year. I was staggered.

 

[Coops93]

Brad Scott ruins players. He would be horrible to play for

Obviously not a North fan, but shoving Boomer Harvey out the door despite clearly having at least 1 more year left still gets me annoyed. Can't believe Brad got support with that decision internally.

 

[Soapy V]

I’m hoping EH is given an opportunity to reset his life and footy career.
Everyone deserves an opportunity to develop into the best version of oneself. The Club is being transformed, no matter the past indiscretions and whether he was a miscreant, he deserves a chance to redeem his mistakes.

How many?

 

[Coops93]

How many?

It's amazing on these types of players how many people say something like "Everyone deserves a second chance!" forgetting that for it to get to this point they've probably had about 9 chances by now.

Carlton were his 2nd chance club after burning multiple chances at his original club. Then, before the ink was dry on the deal he was suspended for off field indiscretions. Let alone what's happened since.

Professional athletes get arguably too many chances to turn things around. If they can't turn it around with the nigh on unlimited support available to them from the AFL, AFLPA and clubs then the solution isn't yet another chance.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Why not be bold and play Crippa as a permanent forward who rotates through the midfield when we need it. I know his goal kicking isn't great, but he's a very good mark and he'll provide pressure when the ball hits the ground.

And his body must be cooked.

Cripps has never been a good forward option. He hits the score board more playing on ball and rotating forward with a smaller opponent matched against him.

Whenever he's played with a proper defender on him he's been poor. Doesn't have the speed off the mark or the contested marking power to beat opponents regularly as a genuine option.

 

[CJMB]

Just speculating here but on Elijah, I would anticipate that if we delist him he would get an opportunity elsewhere even as a sign on trainer for the off season.
No point expending draft capital when the likelihood of getting him for nothing is on the cards.

I have said it before let’s hope he has turned the corner enough to see out his contract. I know we don’t know what he’s done and the club will make a call and I trust those making the decisions but I’m allowed to dream!!!

Post trade period it was described to me as 'not making sense as the trust was broken'. The implication was he'd used all his chances, eroded the relationship, crossed the point of no return, so to speak. Maybe one or two clubs have a go as a free hit after he's delisted, even that interest is not guaranteed.

I'd assume he's gone unless we hear otherwise.

 

[Soapy V]

It's amazing on these types of players how many people say something like "Everyone deserves a second chance!" forgetting that for it to get to this point they've probably had about 9 chances by now.

Carlton were his 2nd chance club after burning multiple chances at his original club. Then, before the ink was wet on the deal he was suspended for off field indiscretions. Let alone what's happened since.

Professional athletes get arguably too many chances to turn things around. If they can't turn it around with the nigh on unlimited support available to them from the AFL, AFLPA and clubs then the solution isn't yet another chance.

I am all for redemption and second chances but a club doesn't tell a talented young player like him to move on unless it's serious. He has burnt some bridges and bringing him back could cause issues amongst the playing group. At a time when we are trying to improve the club and it's standards not sure we can risk it

 

[ctwenty1]

I am all for redemption and second chances but a club doesn't tell a talented young player like him to move on unless it's serious. He has burnt some bridges and bringing him back could cause issues amongst the playing group. At a time when we are trying to improve the club and it's standards not sure we can risk it

Ill trust the club's decision whatever it is

 

[Lukeblueboy]

I am all for redemption and second chances but a club doesn't tell a talented young player like him to move on unless it's serious. He has burnt some bridges and bringing him back could cause issues amongst the playing group. At a time when we are trying to improve the club and it's standards not sure we can risk it

Now’s the time whilst the iron is hot.
If lij needs to be cut, then do it now.
If we think gov needs to go, then I’d also do that now. IMO

 

[gbatman]

I am all for redemption and second chances but a club doesn't tell a talented young player like him to move on unless it's serious. He has burnt some bridges and bringing him back could cause issues amongst the playing group. At a time when we are trying to improve the club and it's standards not sure we can risk it

Do you think the club would go to him with a deal, he has one last season with us, in that time he gets the opportunity to save his AFL career but he must be moved on at season's end?

Could work out well for all parties if he has a good season at AFL level, keeps himself clean and returns us something in a trade at the end of the year.

 

[BlueLocke]

Cripps has never been a good forward option. He hits the score board more playing on ball and rotating forward with a smaller opponent matched against him.

Whenever he's played with a proper defender on him he's been poor. Doesn't have the speed off the mark or the contested marking power to beat opponents regularly as a genuine option.

Yep, Cripps will retire as a midfielder. Despite the "bomb it long" gameplan we see with our forward entries, there's a fair bit of knowledge and experience required in learning forward craft (especially when you've got an opponent who isn't a resting midfielder, but a dedicated defender). Love it if we can use him up forward for a quick mismatch and 1-2 entries a quarter, but with the extra man on the bench, I imagine he'll rest there.

Dangerfield was gushed over as a 'forward' this year with an average of 15 dispsals, 1.3g a game (skewed by his prelim. too); reckon Cripps better serves us in the middle.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Do you think the club would go to him with a deal, he has one last season with us, in that time he gets the opportunity to save his AFL career but he must be moved on at season's end?

Could work out well for all parties if he has a good season at AFL level, keeps himself clean and returns us something in a trade at the end of the year.

I'd think best case from here is delisted and training for potential rookie/SSP spot which means he needs to keep out of trouble until February just to be considered.

 

[Bluebag13]

It's amazing on these types of players how many people say something like "Everyone deserves a second chance!" forgetting that for it to get to this point they've probably had about 9 chances by now.

Carlton were his 2nd chance club after burning multiple chances at his original club. Then, before the ink was wet on the deal he was suspended for off field indiscretions. Let alone what's happened since.

Professional athletes get arguably too many chances to turn things around. If they can't turn it around with the nigh on unlimited support available to them from the AFL, AFLPA and clubs then the solution isn't yet another chance.

Agree, as you said some people get a 2nd change or multiple, but some dont even get 1 chance at it

 

[Soapy V]

Do you think the club would go to him with a deal, he has one last season with us, in that time he gets the opportunity to save his AFL career but he must be moved on at season's end?

Could work out well for all parties if he has a good season at AFL level, keeps himself clean and returns us something in a trade at the end of the year.

I honestly don't know. I was told at end of year he was gone but a few players have pushed his case to stay. Where it now sits I have no idea