Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVII

[Coops93]

I've never disliked Liddle as much as others, I think he just wasn't a good football CEO, but I do think he was a great business, financial and marketing CEO. Great for revenue and stabilising Carlton the business and turning into a profitable machine, but with regards to the football side of things he left a lot to be desired.

I am happy with what he did for us, the financial stability he created can't be overstated. As much as old school footy fans hate it football is a business, and for a long time Carlton was a fairly crap business. He brought us into the modern age and indeed towards the forefront of business ventures. We owe him a lot there.

But once that side of Carlton was sorted, he left a lot to be desired with regards to the football departments of things, so the time was right to move him on.

I still think, overall, his impact on Carlton was a good one and broadly gets unfair whack because people overlook the business side of the game and blame him for a couple of incidents.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I didnt say we're bad in transition, I said we're safe and predictable. We're good at winning contest so kicking long down the wing to contest works well and if we lose we're set behind the ball so it's an alright gameplan - until we go inside 50 where safe predictable ball movement is a poor, ineffective approach

Pies are the definition of safe and predictable - they just hit their targets...

 

[goreds]

He would be the best half back flank in the comp in todays game can’t change my mind

I'm still devastated what happened to him.

He was an absolute freak. The club could have done more for him, as they knew what was causing his issue, which led to him going down the wrong path.

 

[Accidental genius]

I probably wouldn't call it that. It's not just this year. It's been a recurring theme for many years. It's a culture thing whether we're playing good footy (and out of preservation mode) or otherwise.

So much so that the first two goals in this video stand out in my mind over a decade on.

The recent HS article mentioned that GWright recognises the importance of the small foward in the modern game

Something we had in abundance before tiggies won their 3 flags with their smalls and move the ball forward any which way you can game style

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I'm with Forty3 on this one.

Liddle joined the club at the end of 2017 and steered the club out of debt, increased corporate sponsorship, introduced non traditional revenues and, above all, increased memberships year on year. Most of this during a covid period in which members couldn't even attend games.

This is "sacked for a reason"?

He was forced to sit through a press conference with a snake oil salesman during which Sayers said that was the end of sackings full stop while all the time publicly chasing a CEO messiah in Cook. Liddle looked like he was eating a s*** sandwhich during that presser but still said all the right supportive things. I'd encourage a look back at that, it hasn't aged well.

The only thing i can see that people may have reason to complain about was that he seemingly went behind SOS's back in luring Eddie back and touring Ellis through the club. General conclusion on here that he was injecting himself into an area that wasn't his.

Isn't this one of the very things that many on here want from Wright?

And, indeed hasn't Wright already done this at Collingwood?

Answer me this.

What was his pedigree to run a football club?

 

[T2B_]

The recent HS article mentioned that GWright recognises the importance of the small foward in the modern game

Something we had in abundance before tiggies won their 3 flags with their smalls and move the ball forward any which way you can game style

We really make life difficult for ourselves. We either have tall forwards that we expect to mop up at ground level like small forwards because of atrocious delivery and methodology, or try kick it onto the head of a small forward in 1 vs 2 contests like they're a CHF.

 

[ferrisb]

Answer me this.

What was Liddle's pedigree to run a football club?

Liddle was very strong on the commercial side of things. Obviously weak on the footy operations side.

Someone like Wright is very strong on footy ops, but arguably weak on the commercial side.

Pretty hard to find someone strong on both sides.

 

[Benaly28]

Priority should be signing Jsos.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Liddle was very strong on the commercial side of things. Obviously weak on the footy operations side.

Someone like Wright is very strong on footy ops, but arguably weak on the commercial side.

Pretty hard to find someone strong on both sides.

Thanks, but I knew the answer well enough... personally, imo, he was a poor choice as CEO.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Priority should be signing Jsos.

100 percent, should be done this week but knowing the club they will prioritise Gov over SOS

 

[Coops93]

Pies are the definition of safe and predictable - they just hit their targets...

Yes but they aren't anywhere near as dependent on clearance and contested possession, in fact they're bottom half in both of those categories. They utilise the outside and their skill, we want to keep it inside and surge.

 

[T2B_]

Priority should be signing Jsos.

Don't understand why this hasn't been done already.

 

[jj1978]

Correct, but we have a CFO and a board chock full of financial, legal and marketing types. I'm good with a football CEO.

We're a football club, the CEO 100% should be footy focused whilst others more capable with money/marketing can do their thing. Funny what gets lost is that success on the field brings in $$$$ and members (shock horror hey).

Also can't see why we're so afraid to spend over the football department cap for a couple of years and an investment into getting our deficits sorted (skills cough cough, talent identification).

Wright from everything documented is a shrewd operator and knows how to balance salary caps, knows how footy departments should run, and knows about talent identification and how to play the game.

I'd love to put Wright and SOS in a room together and think that'd be the first time SOS would ever blink in a negotiation.

 

[katmanblue]

This might be my favourite ever BF post

Been a couple of good ones in the last week or so.

 

[ferrisb]

Thanks, but I knew the answer well enough... personally, imo, he was a poor choice as CEO.

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I knew that you knew the answer.

And I think you know that I knew that you knew the answer.

And....

 

[katmanblue]

Did I just read Liddle as a comparison to Wright? Liddle had no football chops. He was a revenue creator at Richmond and that continued at Carlton. He thought he could take control of recruiting and selection, which was damn insulting towards those already in place.

I'm not going to sit back and see Liddle being a hero fighting the invisible Mafia.

I think there's a distinction to be made between Liddle having the gumption to stand up to the power brokers and being an operator like Wright.

If he was a better operator, he wouldn't have folded as easily.

 

[Benaly28]

Don't understand why this hasn't been done already.

TDK contract becoming a hinderance.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Yes but they aren't anywhere near as dependent on clearance and contested possession, in fact they're bottom half in both of those categories. They utilise the outside and their skill, we want to keep it inside and surge.

100%. and that's why Voss is on very thin ice...

 

[katmanblue]

We're a football club, the CEO 100% should be footy focused whilst others more capable with money/marketing can do their thing. Funny what gets lost is that success on the field brings in $$$$ and members (shock horror hey).

Also can't see why we're so afraid to spend over the football department cap for a couple of years and an investment into getting our deficits sorted (skills cough cough, talent identification).

Wright from everything documented is a shrewd operator and knows how to balance salary caps, knows how footy departments should run, and knows about talent identification and how to play the game.

I'd love to put Wright and SOS in a room together and think that'd be the first time SOS would ever blink in a negotiation.

Goalkicking coach for everyone.

5% improvement in goalkicking throughout the season and we would have won an extra couple of games.

 

[marcmurphy3]

TDK contract becoming a hinderance.

I think at some point we need to move forward under the assumption that TDK is going and make that clear to his management. Potentially even pulling the deal we have offered him like the Hawks did with buddy.

 

[blue healer]

Answer me this.

What was his pedigree to run a football club?

Ferris already answered this and probably better than I could have.

Personally I don't really care what his pedigree was, I didn't appoint him. I just think he has been unfairly judged by many and Sayers treated him like s***

 

[katmanblue]

Pies are the definition of safe and predictable - they just hit their targets...

They present targets in predictable spots. Makes them easier to hit.

 

[SurreyBlue]

But yes, Wright is definitely a qualified football department man, and he’s not afraid to blow things up. He’s been a list manager and a footy boss. So he must be qualified to be a CEO, I just hope he doesn’t go poking around and pulling rank on the LM. because that would be completely out of line, wouldn’t it!?

That said, considering he is on a contract similar to TDK’s offer and the CEO doesn’t fall under the soft cap, we may as well get a good accountant to take over Lloyds role, and spend the extra money in the soft cap on some better assistant coaches.

This is the alarm bell ringing in me currently.

 

[ETET]

First time I have actually had anything for this page.

My friend at the gym was at a corporate lunch on same table as Brian Cook approx 2 weeks ago.

Cook said "the list is over rated and that is the view internally." "Don't expect much progression until 2-5 years time"

"I am just looking after admin side now."

Would like to have asked Cook if the above is the case what has he tried to change in his last 5 years...but anyway.

 

[Coops93]

The same Cook that said we're a top 4 side?