News Blues 'gutted' says Ratten

[Beloved]

He is paid to kick those.

He kicked 8 goals previously. We wouldn't have been in a situation to win without him.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

He kicked 8 goals previously. We wouldn't have been in a situation to win without him.

It's a two sides to a coin argument - one that will not be resolved, and one that will be forgotten about in a few weeks.

 

[DamoESP]

go down to training and tell him personally

Unfortunatly I'm a good 3000km away from where they train

 

[as0l0]

don't want to start a new thread, so this one will do.

just finished watching the torrent since I'd only heard the match on the radio before.

certainly every player with a blue jumper on deserved to be out there. Perhaps Houlihan and Bentley weren't in tune with the intensity and Cloke had a bad day, but those things can turn around.

good things are coming sooner than you think.

 

[Blues_Man]

The fact that he kicked 8 has no bearing on the fact that he missed a sitter when we really needed him to kick it.

Gee it's a good thing that no other player kicked a point during the game ..oh wait they did

It's ignorant and hypocritical to point the finger at a player who has kicked 8 goals for the game just because he narrowly misses with his last kick of the game.
I thought you better than that.

 

[ERead]

Typical Ratts, somehow brings a positive out of it all. He really is the only coach for us. I dunno how he does it, I'd be bloody livid after today...throwin shit at the wall, but he somehow brings some positives out of it. Can't deny he's the coach we need right now.

Really lookin forward to blowin freo away next week!!! Come on boys!!!

Indeed. Ratts is awesome. I think what he'll do is build resilience into the team. These narrow losses, if the coach approaches it the wrong way, could break a few guys (just like losing a Grand Final could have done to Geelong). I think the Blues will get stronger and stronger from this.

What Ratts is doing is seeing (and showing the media and fans) the glass as half full. I think though, he'll be showing "the tape" and highlighting how precious every possession is. The Blues have had two less-than-a-goal losses that could have been wins.

I am sure when the boys get on the field up my way next weekend, they'll be thinking with every touch of the ball: "make this count".

 

[HeziBarecket]

The reason the Hawks are a better team than the Bulldogs is because they have an ability to apply sustained pressure over the entire ground. That then has an effect on the way their opponents play.

They also have the best forward line in the league. They have what, 4 killer targets up forward. It hurts us when bums like Cloke and Wiggo get shown up against quality teams.

Anyway the future is positive, a firing Warnock gives us another strong ruckman, Kruzer moves up forward, we smash the Hawks and all the other teams that have had the wood on us, especially those that won't get draft picks the next few years when Gold Coast arrive...

Happy days soon

 

[Beloved]

It's a two sides to a coin argument - one that will not be resolved, and one that will be forgotten about in a few weeks.

Hopefully, especially if Fev can inspire the team to have a good win on the weekend.

 

[40yearBLUE]

They also have the best forward line in the league. They have what, 4 killer targets up forward. It hurts us when bums like Cloke and Wiggo get shown up against quality teams.

Anyway the future is positive, a firing Warnock gives us another strong ruckman, Kruzer moves up forward, we smash the Hawks and all the other teams that have had the wood on us, especially those that won't get draft picks the next few years when Gold Coast arrive...

Happy days soon

It hurts any team when any players (especially if there are more than 1 or 2 down) have poor games. But it is part of the human condition. The better the team gets the less it a) has poor performances from players and b) is effected by such players being down as the sum of the whole is able to absorb the lower output by some of its parts and adjust to maintain a winning output.

And even with the 4 gun forwards that the Hawks have (no disputing their quality) we were still able to match it with them to the point that in the end they could not win the game they had to rely on us losing it. And all that with 2 "bums" in our team, more if you believe some of the ill informed posters on this board.

Any given week someone will under perform just as others over achieve but most will hit expectations. It will be a different player each week but accept it, it will happen for as long as they send people out to play rather than robots. If it is the same player each week under-performing you can be assured the MC would drop them to Preston to regain form or learn. Terms such as "bums" does not highlight the players inadequacy near as much as the posters lack of understanding of the game just played, the club and the way it goes about things and people in general.

Other than that I take your point. Good times are certainly coming and the timing of our development in light of the compromised drafts may be fortuitous for a sustained stay at the top.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Bet you nearly drowned in coffee working on that all night.

It's all part of Eddies new drive. Only accepting membership of fans that can string 2 words together. I guess that qualifies although one would have thought it better if the 2 words were different, and were actual words, but they are coming of such a low base they have to start somewhere.

 

[sherb]

Gee it's a good thing that no other player kicked a point during the game ..oh wait they did

It's ignorant and hypocritical to point the finger at a player who has kicked 8 goals for the game just because he narrowly misses with his last kick of the game.
I thought you better than that.

Not pointing the finger at all. I don't blame Fevola for the loss. Nor am I having a go at him.

I just think he shouldn't be missing set shots from that range, especially given that he is a specialist goalkicker.

Do you think it is unreasonable to expect a high-quality full-forward to kick goals from that close in? I don't.

 

[40yearBLUE]

You misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Of course Fevola's 8 goals to that time was a major part of being in a match-winning position. I am not disputing that for a second. However some here seem to be using that as a mitigating factor for that last minute miss - sort of along the lines of "well, he kicked 8 and kept us in the game, so we can forgive him missing that one".

All I am saying is that irrespective of how many goals he had kicked up to that stage, or irrespective of how well he had played, it was a goal he simply should have kicked. That is what he is in the side for and a quality full-forward should not be missing a goal from that range.

I am not blaming him for the loss, nor am I saying he choked. But I am not going to make excuses for Fev missing a sitter either. He deserves the accolades for a great game, but that doesn't mean he is exempt from criticism for missing that goal.

You dont have to make excuses for Fev because he has nothing to be defended about.

I dont think you have properly thought through your argument there sherb.

Do you honestly believe that Fev ought to have a 100% strike rate from that position on the field? Is that your contention? No matter the fatigue level, no matter the pressure, no matter the circumstances, 100% no matter what? I doubt there would be a human alive that can boast a 100% strike rate at anything, let alone kicking goals from that distance.

Have you ever tried to do your job in front of 69000 people in full knowledge that any mistake will be all over the news that night and in the papers the next day? And that any high profile misses could affect your ability to earn your living, given that his next contract might be marked down by such misses.

I really dislike the conditional praise. Fev played great BUT....

I hate that but.

He either played great or he did not. He was close to best on ground. In fact within 200mm from 20000mm out from winning the Parkin medal. Do you think Roughie would have won it if Fev kicked 9? That ball travels just 200mm toward the middle of the goals and we win and he is best on ground.

If you understand angles, then in a straight line from his boot to 200mm toward the middle of the goals is about a fraction of a mm difference at his boot from 20000mm away.

Thats what is comes down to. There is no way, no matter what language we use that Fev's name should be in any discussion of why we lost that game.

 

[sherb]

You dont have to make excuses for Fev because he has nothing to be defended about.

I dont think you have properly thought through your argument there sherb.

Do you honestly believe that Fev ought to have a 100% strike rate from that position on the field? Is that your contention? No matter the fatigue level, no matter the pressure, no matter the circumstances, 100% no matter what? I doubt there would be a human alive that can boast a 100% strike rate at anything, let alone kicking goals from that distance.

Have you ever tried to do your job in front of 69000 people in full knowledge that any mistake will be all over the news that night and in the papers the next day? And that any high profile misses could affect your ability to earn your living, given that his next contract might be marked down by such misses.

I really dislike the conditional praise. Fev played great BUT....

I hate that but.

He either played great or he did not. He was close to best on ground. In fact within 200mm from 20000mm out from winning the Parkin medal. Do you think Roughie would have won it if Fev kicked 9? That ball travels just 200mm toward the middle of the goals and we win and he is best on ground.

If you understand angles, then in a straight line from his boot to 200mm toward the middle of the goals is about a fraction of a mm difference at his boot from 20000mm away.

Thats what is comes down to. There is no way, no matter what language we use that Fev's name should be in any discussion of why we lost that game.

I think he should have kicked the goal - that's all I am saying. That's what I expect quality full-forwards to do from that distance. It is unfortunate that Fevola missed at such a crucial time, I hope he turns the pain into a real positive on the field in the upcoming weeks.

Nowhere did I blame him for the loss, or tried to frame the miss in reference to the loss, in fact I went to pains to indicate the opposite. (Personally, I thought the game was lost in the second term when we completely wasted our domination of the play).

I don't have the slightest problem in saying he played a great game but stuffed up a goal he should have kicked. The two statements aren't mutually exclusive as you suggest.

Anyway, I won't change my view. Frankly I don't see why it is such an issue that I think he missed a goal he should have kicked.

 

[40yearBLUE]

I think he should have kicked the goal - that's all I am saying. That's what I expect quality full-forwards to do from that distance. It is unfortunate that Fevola missed at such a crucial time, I hope he turns the pain into a real positive on the field in the upcoming weeks.

Nowhere did I blame him for the loss, or tried to frame the miss in reference to the loss, in fact I went to pains to indicate the opposite. (Personally, I thought the game was lost in the second term when we completely wasted our domination of the play).

I don't have the slightest problem in saying he played a great game but stuffed up a goal he should have kicked. The two statements aren't mutually exclusive as you suggest.

Anyway, I won't change my view. Frankly I don't see why it is such an issue that I think he missed a goal he should have kicked.

Its an issue because you expect the impossible. It is impossible for anyone, I dont care who they are to have a 100% success rate at that type of process. What you are doing is picking one of the tiny % he will naturally miss and saying he should have kicked it. So what you are saying is that he cannot be human. Becuase no human can have a 100% strike rate at that type of thing.

What part of this argument is so hard for you to accept?

So tell me, it that your contention. That he cannot ever miss from that distance no matter what the circumstances? He must have a 100% strike rate from that distance. Is that your contention?

Just answer that simple question.

 

[Juddrockz]

Fev had an awesome game on Saturday,he's the best forward in the game IMO and that's why misses like that shouldn't happen.In saying that, he's NOT to blame as to WHY we lost the match,we made some silly mistakes over the course of the game,fumbling,bad disposals etc.Great atmosphere at the match just unfortunate the Blues didn't come away with the 4 points,but we did scare the shit out them for a change

 

[sherb]

Its an issue because you expect the impossible. It is impossible for anyone, I dont care who they are to have a 100% success rate at that type of process. What you are doing is picking one of the tiny % he will naturally miss and saying he should have kicked it. So what you are saying is that he cannot be human. Becuase no human can have a 100% strike rate at that type of thing.

What part of this argument is so hard for you to accept?

So tell me, it that your contention. That he cannot ever miss from that distance no matter what the circumstances? He must have a 100% strike rate from that distance. Is that your contention?

Just answer that simple question.

I am not going to enter into a prolonged argument about this. I have already been labelled as hypocritical and ignorant for daring to expect that Fev should have kicked that goal, so that's enough for me.

If that makes you think you are right or superior, all power to you. I suspect it will give you a warm and fuzzy feeling in fact.

You won't change my opinion though, we will just have to differ. In my view he should not have missed that goal, simple as that.

 

[40yearBLUE]

I am not going to enter into a prolonged argument about this. I have already been labelled as hypocritical and ignorant for daring to expect that Fev should have kicked that goal, so that's enough for me.

If that makes you think you are right or superior, all power to you. I suspect it will give you a warm and fuzzy feeling in fact.

You won't change my opinion though, we will just have to differ. In my view he should not have missed that goal, simple as that.

Well I certainly didnt label you those things. It is your right to do whatever you like. But if you dont want to be labeled ignorant I suggest you dont close your mind to another point of view (I am not labeling you that, it is the text book definition of ignorant). When I enter into a debate my hope is that someone has an argument that will make me change my mind.

Anyway your call.

 

[The Coach]

Its an issue because you expect the impossible. It is impossible for anyone, I dont care who they are to have a 100% success rate at that type of process. What you are doing is picking one of the tiny % he will naturally miss and saying he should have kicked it. So what you are saying is that he cannot be human. Becuase no human can have a 100% strike rate at that type of thing.

What part of this argument is so hard for you to accept?

So tell me, it that your contention. That he cannot ever miss from that distance no matter what the circumstances? He must have a 100% strike rate from that distance. Is that your contention?

Just answer that simple question.

If you fall you will surely die from that height

 

[40yearBLUE]

If you fall you will surely die from that height

Well I will just have to be careful not to fall of then wont I.

You know posters here choose the low road (no one forces them), expecting the impossible of players or taking low pot shots at them.

And you post this because I refuse to take the low road?

I have been around here near on 6 months now and a few hundred posts, I think you can be fairly safe in the knowledge now that you know what you are gonna get from me (Go check if you doubt me, not a single pot shot in there, not a one). What is so hard about having a think about the posts you make, thinking through the full implications of the arguments you make and if found to be flawed accepting that they are?

Some of the posters expect of the players certain things that they are miles away from being able to perform in their posting and actions, for example 100% accuracy but when it is pointed out they cannot even maintain 100% in the points they make they shut up shop or sling some mud at the poster that points it out to them. Closed minds.

And I cop the snide pics of high horses? Some people set themselves high standards to live by, others it seems dont.

Fair enough.

 

[The Coach]

Well I will just have to be careful not to fall of then wont I.

You know posters here choose the low road (no one forces them), expecting the impossible of players or taking low pot shots at them.

And you post this because I refuse to take the low road?

I have been around here near on 6 months now and a few hundred posts, I think you can be fairly safe in the knowledge now that you know what you are gonna get from me (Go check if you doubt me, not a single pot shot in there, not a one). What is so hard about having a think about the posts you make, thinking through the full implications of the arguments you make and if found to be flawed accepting that they are?

Some of the posters expect of the players certain things that they are miles away from being able to perform in their posting and actions, for example 100% accuracy but when it is pointed out they cannot even maintain 100% in the points they make they shut up shop or sling some mud at the poster that points it out to them. Closed minds.

And I cop the snide pics of high horses? Some people set themselves high standards to live by, others it seems dont.

Fair enough.

I will rate you how I see it . You are looking for the high and low roads too much - you love an argument with our own a little too much, you come across a little too intensely - just my opinion and I am definitely too frivolous (and judgemental for buying into this thread) but try aimlessly just wandering along the path - it can be fun too

ps Sherb basically said a FF is supposed to kick those - any argument there. I don't think you would get one from Fev

 

[blues4flag]

I will rate you how I see it . You are looking for the high and low roads too much - you love an argument with our own a little too much, you come across a little too intensely - just my opinion and I am definitely too frivolous (and judgemental for buying into this thread) but try aimlessly just wandering along the path - it can be fun too

ps Sherb basically said a FF is supposed to kick those - any argument there. I don't think you would get one from Fev

No offence Five but I find this post very humorous. I'm sure you recall a poster who wasn't too different prowling our forums not too long ago?

Went on a hiatus into Clipart Land and came back a very different man.

 

[The Coach]

No offence Five but I find this post very humorous. I'm sure you recall a poster who wasn't too different prowling our forums not too long ago?

Went on a hiatus into Clipart Land and came back a very different man.

You are right about most of that - I often add that I have been there and done that. I think it now improves my call on things

I like to think my bad old days were a fair while ago

You are wrong about the hiatus into Clipart Land - I was always there but I think my recent singeing has made it more important to me to help make this board a far, far happier place!

 

[blues4flag]

Not exactly sure how you singe happiness but I'll take your word for it...

 

[thylacine60]

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