Blueseum

[big_sav]

http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/tiki-index.php

The new ultimate carlton site. check it out

 

[HBF]

Looks pretty good.

 

[FootyGeek]

Thanks for the feedback guys (I'm the bloke who started the site for those who do not know).

If anyone has any questions let me know.

It's great that the club has embraced the site, it is almost a year old now. In a few months it should be donated to the club.

It still needs lots of work so any help at all is appreciated, if anyone needs any help to get started just PM me. It is an easy process to update the site though. Even easier when you know you are helping the club out.

Should be a significant asset for the club. Something other clubs have not got and puts us ahead of the rest of them in this respect at least.

 

[sherb]

I have only just found this site, it is first-class.

I must admit, I am very big on the historical aspect of clubs, both from the recognition and documentation viewpoints.

That is why I am particularly interested in this site, especially as it is for the club I support.

The setup makes it easy for anyone with any information to contribute (ie Wikipedia style).

From what I have seen on BigFooty, there are many supporters here with info about the club which they could add to Blueseum. (I have already contributed some information about a player myself. ).

The more people who start contributing, the better and more comprehensive the site will become and the less work for the current contributors.

So step right up people!

(No, this is not a paid advertisement ).

 

[AlecDuncan]

Thanks for the feedback guys (I'm the bloke who started the site for those who do not know).

Fantastic effort. That's the sort of grass-roots initiative that our club needs more of.

 

[verbs]

*BUMP*

It's an awesome site which is continuing to grow. Anyone who wants to contribute, feel free. Anyone curios, pop in and check it out.

 

[Effes]

*BUMP*

It's an awesome site which is continuing to grow. Anyone who wants to contribute, feel free. Anyone curios, pop in and check it out.

Agreed.

Great site

 

[drusswaylander]

Just a tiny bit of advertising

I totally agree though it is a great site

I'd love to see some more opinion pieces

 

[FootyGeek]

I'd love to see some more opinion pieces

Me too, a lot of the people who have written articles for the site are also involved in the day to day updating of the site as well so time has not allowed a lot of articles to be published as yet.

If anyone wants to read all the articles on the site they can be found here:
http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/tiki-view_articles.php

If you think you have an article to contgribute that might fit in nicely with the Blueseum please submit it here: http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/tiki-edit_submission.php

Those that missed it can listen to an interview on SEN about the Blueseum here: http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/blueseum.m3u

Thanks again to all of the marvellous supporters of the site who have made it what it is.

 

[verbs]

Not sure if this has been covered, but what's the go with pics from people's books? I recently bought SOS' bio, and it has some classic pics in it. Would scanning them and posting them in the Blueseum be bad?

 

[CharlieG]

It's great that the club has embraced the site, it is almost a year old now. In a few months it should be donated to the club.

I cannot stress strongly enough. Don't do this!

It's not a Carlton thing - it's an AFL club thing. They simply cannot and will not do a better job with these sites than fans can. You've done a great job - I'm not a Carlton history buff, but I can see that you've put a huge amount of work in.

You might think that donating it to the club is a great idea - and its a great sentiment. But it will be detrimental to the project you've given so much time to.

For a start, Carlton (along with 14 other clubs) is contractually tied to Telstra for their website licensing. I am 95% sure that owning this site as well would be in breach of that agreement. Best case scenario: the 'Blueseum' becomes a feature on the official Carlton site.

If it is taken over by the club and the content isn't merely cannibalised for carltonfc.com.au, you will still see a major drop in quality. Simply, the site is currently being made by volunteers for the love of the club. In the club's hands it becomes the responsibility of club staff, who a) won't care about it nearly as much as you do and b) will want to vet any information submitted by volunteers (if you continue to work on it) to ensure that it is 'acceptable' to the club. You can't blame them for this - with ownership comes liability - but it will still result in a poorer website. The most likely result out of this is that the site will become stagnant.

Even if it could somehow be retained as a separate and active site, you give all editorial control to the club's staff of that particular time. Do you really want, for instance, the story of the 2006/7 wrangling to be told by the winners? There's a very good reason that historians demand independence when they write 'official' histories.

Again, I want to commend you on some excellent work and I think the idea of donating it to the club has fine intentions... but I doubt you'll like the results.

 

[FootyGeek]

I cannot stress strongly enough. Don't do this!

It's not a Carlton thing - it's an AFL club thing. They simply cannot and will not do a better job with these sites than fans can. You've done a great job - I'm not a Carlton history buff, but I can see that you've put a huge amount of work in.

You might think that donating it to the club is a great idea - and its a great sentiment. But it will be detrimental to the project you've given so much time to.

The same team of administrators who run the Blueseum now will also run it (also on a volunteer basis) when the site is owned by the club. There is no-one at the club capable of running the site. This is something we will insist on.

The ownership itself is really just a matter of changing the contact details for the domain name.

The club owning the site rather than limiting the site will actually open up possibilities. The club has formal licensing agreements with many media companies etc that allow them to use copyright material etc and the club also has a large archive of its own material. When the Blueseum is in the clubs hand all of this extra material can be used on the site.

Some of us on the Blueseum are volunteer article writers for the official CFC site, so we have excellent communications with the club.

For a start, Carlton (along with 14 other clubs) is contractually tied to Telstra for their website licensing. I am 95% sure that owning this site as well would be in breach of that agreement. Best case scenario: the 'Blueseum' becomes a feature on the official Carlton site.

The Blueseum is already a feature on the official CFC site, if you look under the history section.

The club had to actually go to sportal to ask permission to link to the Blueseum from their official site as it is technically against their guidelines.

The club has already looked into how the Blueseum can be included as part of the Telstra/AFL website contract. This does not seem to be a problem. The main delay has been waiting for the new web deal to go through (the last couple of months) and now the upcoming elections. Otherwise the ownership decision would have already gone to the board.

I have made it clear right from the start of the project that the main aim is the benefit of the CFC and that it has always been intended for the site to become the property of the club.

If it is taken over by the club and the content isn't merely cannibalised for carltonfc.com.au, you will still see a major drop in quality. Simply, the site is currently being made by volunteers for the love of the club. In the club's hands it becomes the responsibility of club staff, who a) won't care about it nearly as much as you do and b) will want to vet any information submitted by volunteers (if you continue to work on it) to ensure that it is 'acceptable' to the club. You can't blame them for this - with ownership comes liability - but it will still result in a poorer website. The most likely result out of this is that the site will become stagnant.

Even if it could somehow be retained as a separate and active site, you give all editorial control to the club's staff of that particular time. Do you really want, for instance, the story of the 2006/7 wrangling to be told by the winners? There's a very good reason that historians demand independence when they write 'official' histories.

As I said before, I expect the site quality to improve after the handover.

After handover the 'public' site will be locked down and be just made available to view by the general public.

In the background the administration team and a group of trusted contributors will continue working on the site and improving it.

The club will have editorial control. So far they have had no interference at all.

Of course I am not naive enough to expect this to continue.

All I can say is that the admin team will vigorously defend anything we do not agree with that the club may want.

All in all there is a massive amount of work already there, it would literally take thousands of hours of work to substantially change. IMO the Blueseum presents a substantial opportunity for the club and the benefits of the club being able to use it for promotional/revenue purposes far outweighs any issues with regards to editorial issues or the winners writing history. As I said the most important factor is that the club benefits.

The net is an egalitarian place the club can have their 'official' history, but equally anyone is able to write their own version as well and put it on the net with their own resoning for everyone to read.

Again, I want to commend you on some excellent work

Thanks, it has been a community effort and still plenty of work to do.

 

[FootyGeek]

Not sure if this has been covered, but what's the go with pics from people's books? I recently bought SOS' bio, and it has some classic pics in it. Would scanning them and posting them in the Blueseum be bad?

Just use your discretion and reference as much as possible. Please keep the pics low res (75dpi, looks great on the PC) this at least protects the pics from being reproduced in quality on paper.

If you think it is practical to ask permission from copyright holders please do so.

The Blueseum will remove anything that a particular copyright holder may have concerns with.

Myself, I am very cautious about putting up quite recent pictures.

 

[CharlieG]

Well, it is your site (for the moment). I fear that you won't like how it turns out, though. If you already have good communications with the club, what do you think that the site will get out of being owned by the club? I cannot see any advantages, to be honest.

There are also other issues - for instance your wiki software is operated under the GNU Free Software license. This actually means that any content cannot be 'owned' by the club. This gives you an out, I suppose, if you don't like how it ends up - but you should make it clear to the club that they will not own the content and that it can be mirrored by other websites at will. Wiki content is licensed under 'copyleft' - this does not give subsequent owners of the wiki the legal right to copyright it. The information is in the public domain and was placed in the public domain by its creators. 'Locking down' the site is, at the very least, an abuse of information given in good faith.

Ultimately, it comes down to whether you are doing something just to place it at the club's disposal (in which case a wiki isn't exactly the best way to go about it), or you're trying to make a contribution to football history. If the former, by all means give it to the club but don't be surprised when it doesn't go as you hoped. If the latter, please, PLEASE consider keeping it in private hands.

 

[FootyGeek]

Well, it is your site (for the moment). I fear that you won't like how it turns out, though. If you already have good communications with the club, what do you think that the site will get out of being owned by the club? I cannot see any advantages, to be honest.

There are also other issues - for instance your wiki software is operated under the GNU Free Software license. This actually means that any content cannot be 'owned' by the club. This gives you an out, I suppose, if you don't like how it ends up - but you should make it clear to the club that they will not own the content and that it can be mirrored by other websites at will. Wiki content is licensed under 'copyleft' - this does not give subsequent owners of the wiki the legal right to copyright it. The information is in the public domain and was placed in the public domain by its creators. 'Locking down' the site is, at the very least, an abuse of information given in good faith.

Ultimately, it comes down to whether you are doing something just to place it at the club's disposal (in which case a wiki isn't exactly the best way to go about it), or you're trying to make a contribution to football history. If the former, by all means give it to the club but don't be surprised when it doesn't go as you hoped. If the latter, please, PLEASE consider keeping it in private hands.

I am aware of all of those issues Chris.

Sometimes in life you have to take risks if you think the benefits outweigh the costs.

 

[Richie_P]

Hey guys and girls,

Just wondering how I go about registering on the Blueseum site?

I can't seem to find a "register" link. I e-mailed support with no response yet.

I have a great collection of Carlton premiership newspapers from the 70s and 80s I want to share.

Cheers

 

[zeeCFC]

Pretty sure the user "footygeek" now posts under the spiritofcarlton username and he should see this soon unless you want to go find him and PM him.

 

[Richie_P]

No worries thanks zeeCFC

I'll give him a few days to view the thread before messaging him

Richie

 

[Monkey King]

There's also a BF poster associated with the site usernamed Blueseum. If you PM him too I'm sure you'll get a response.

 

[SpiritOfCarlton]

Hey guys and girls,

Just wondering how I go about registering on the Blueseum site?

I can't seem to find a "register" link. I e-mailed support with no response yet.

I have a great collection of Carlton premiership newspapers from the 70s and 80s I want to share.

Cheers

Sorry Richie.

I would have got around to replying within a few months.

Yes, registrations are manual now, I'll go and dig out your email and set you up.

 

[thylacine60]

It can take a while to register alright. I spent a whole night at the Blueseum.

 

[Richie_P]

Sorry Richie.

I would have got around to replying within a few months.

Yes, registrations are manual now, I'll go and dig out your email and set you up.

Thanks a lot for that.

I just received the e-mail. I'll shot through the details now.

I've got some great stuff for the site

Richie

 

[RogersResults]

Just in case the Blueseum is not aware, the Charles Boyle collection of football photographs has been put online by the State Library of Victoria.

The collection features a number of Carlton team photos circa 1930's to 1940's and some individual Carlton player portraits - some identified - some not.

A link to the collection is on this page.

 

[The_Wookie]

top find! cheers

 

[SpiritOfCarlton]

Just in case the Blueseum is not aware, the Charles Boyle collection of football photographs has been put online by the State Library of Victoria.

The collection features a number of Carlton team photos circa 1930's to 1940's and some individual Carlton player portraits - some identified - some not.

A link to the collection is on this page.

Thanks for that. Yes, we were aware of the collection and have all the Carlton related pictures on the Blueseum, some of which we helped identify the player for the State Library.