Club Mgmt. Board of Directors as led by President Dave Barham

[Lore]

Tom Morris, 9 News via Fox Sports:

“A major board challenge is imminent at Essendon. In the wake of an off-season of turmoil, key powerbrokers - including at least one former player - are preparing a movement which would oust David Barham as president, and other directors too,” he said on Nine News.

“I’ve spoken to one of the key powerbrokers tonight, who says this is not coterie-driven, and it’s just a manner of when and not if the challenge takes place.

“There’s a view the club has been left rudderless and the Barham era has left a legacy of division, instability, player drainage and lost opportunity from this group of people.”

‘Rudderless’ Bombers facing more off-field chaos as club boss set to be challenged

‘Rudderless’ Bombers facing more off-field chaos as club boss set to be challenged

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[DERO]

That run of poor draft of draft picks is undeniable.

 

[Here_we_come]

He did select Nic Martin, Sam Durham outside of the National Draft.
Bryan is overachieving for a pick #38 ruckman at his age.
Traded pick #29 for Jye Caldwell.

Lots of revisionist and selective history when it comes to Dodoro. Sure, he made some errors but which recruiter hasn't. It’s not an exact science.

It does not matter if he made some good decisions if those are outweighed by the really bad ones. His job was to build a competitive list overall, not to pick a few good players amongst a lot of very poor to average players. Other list managers also make some poor decisions, but they succeeded where dodo didn’t: in building a competitive list overall because they get enough of their decisions right.

It is not revisionist to see that he utterly failed at his job of putting a competitive list together.

 

[katana]

He did select Nic Martin, Sam Durham outside of the National Draft.
Bryan is overachieving for a pick #38 ruckman at his age.
Traded pick #29 for Jye Caldwell.

Lots of revisionist and selective history when it comes to Dodoro. Sure, he made some errors but which recruiter hasn't. Its not an exact science.

he did not select nic martin. martin trained on with the club over summer and clearly impressed the coaching staff and players.

 

[MPMonkeys]

he did not select nic martin. martin trained on with the club over summer and clearly impressed the coaching staff and players.

Who is Nic Martin? From SSP rookie to Rising Star nomination

Essendon's Nic Martin has received a nomination for the NAB AFL Rising Star in round one

www.afl.com.au

Twelve months later, it was Essendon wanting to get a closer look at Martin having tracked him from afar for two years and considering him as a rookie.

List manager Adrian Dodoro called in December and, understanding he could be more than a forward, challenged Martin to become a power runner before joining the club in January.

"Nic was happy to jump on a plane and head over there before Christmas, and not be able to get back due to the border, but Adrian said stay over there, but spend the next three weeks busting your gut and learn to run. We need you to be able to run," Dover explained.

 

[DonsRule]

Bellchambers...

 

[HirdsTheWord]

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doesnt make sense since the board is completely different to when he was there?

 

[dank420_]

Still on the nose beers

 

[Lore]

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He wouldn’t be part of the challenge, just a nuffie these days

 

[DonsRule]

He wouldn’t be part of the challenge, just a nuffie these days

Yeah I know. But it's firing up the Scott/Barham haters for sure.

 

[cobra land]

It does not matter if he made some good decisions if those are outweighed by the really bad ones. His job was to build a competitive list overall, not to pick a few good players amongst a lot of very poor to average players. Other list managers also make some poor decisions, but they succeeded where dodo didn’t: in building a competitive list overall because they get enough of their decisions right.

It is not revisionist to see that he utterly failed at his job of putting a competitive list together.

It's the recruiters job to pick the players but then it's on the club to help develope these players, that's not to exonerate Dodo or whoever but it's not all on the list manager.

 

[pepsi]

People still defending dodo after all this time blows my mind.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

He did select Nic Martin, Sam Durham outside of the National Draft.
Bryan is overachieving for a pick #38 ruckman at his age.
Traded pick #29 for Jye Caldwell.

Lots of revisionist and selective history when it comes to Dodoro. Sure, he made some errors but which recruiter hasn't. It’s not an exact science.

Mate, give me 20 years and I’m bound to pick the same amount of winners as this spud had picked.

 

[MPMonkeys]

People still defending dodo after all this time blows my mind.

People seem to think that recruiters all have completely different opinions about players. At the top end, they all largely think the same, give or take some minor adjustments. They may have player X rated 6 and another club has him at 10 for example.
But by and large, the top 10 picks would be about the same regardless of who was picking when. I think Perkins, Cox and Reid were all consensus top 10 picks that year.

Dodoro has just become an easy target now. Its boring.

 

[pepsi]

People seem to think that recruiters all have completely different opinions about players. At the top end, they all largely think the same, give or take some minor adjustments. They may have player X rated 6 and another club has him at 10 for example.
But by and large, the top 10 picks would be about the same regardless of who was picking when. I think Perkins, Cox and Reid were all consensus top 10 picks that year.

I mean I'd say 20 years of failure and inability to build a contending list is enough evidence. But at this point if you don't think he should take a fair chunk of blame then you probably won't ever change your mind.

 

[DallasCrane316]

doesnt make sense since the board is completely different to when he was there?

He was brought back as a ruck coach in 2021. Did Barham get rid of him?

 

[faible]

He was brought back as a ruck coach in 2021. Did Barham get rid of him?

I'd assume Scott did when Goldstein came across

 

[MPMonkeys]

I mean I'd say 20 years of failure and inability to build a contending list is enough evidence. But at this point if you don't think he should take a fair chunk of blame then you probably won't ever change your mind.

Analysing Essendon’s Drafting History in the Adrian Dodoro era

Adrian Dodoro: An IntroductionHe’s either the mastermind or the antichrist. A master operator or the single cause of Essendon’s woes of the past 25 years. Few people have polarized Essendon fans more than departed List boss Adrian Dodoro. Having been involved in the list management of the club...

www.donthestat.com

Here's a good article that looks at it from a data perspective and not a recency bias perspective.

 

[DallasCrane316]

 

[katana]

Who is Nic Martin? From SSP rookie to Rising Star nomination

Essendon's Nic Martin has received a nomination for the NAB AFL Rising Star in round one

www.afl.com.au

Twelve months later, it was Essendon wanting to get a closer look at Martin having tracked him from afar for two years and considering him as a rookie.

List manager Adrian Dodoro called in December and, understanding he could be more than a forward, challenged Martin to become a power runner before joining the club in January.

"Nic was happy to jump on a plane and head over there before Christmas, and not be able to get back due to the border, but Adrian said stay over there, but spend the next three weeks busting your gut and learn to run. We need you to be able to run," Dover explained.

yeah he didn't pick him mate, he invited him to train. he had plenty of chances to actually pick him at the drafts martin wasn't taken in.

 

[cobra land]

People seem to think that recruiters all have completely different opinions about players. At the top end, they all largely think the same, give or take some minor adjustments. They may have player X rated 6 and another club has him at 10 for example.
But by and large, the top 10 picks would be about the same regardless of who was picking when. I think Perkins, Cox and Reid were all consensus top 10 picks that year.

Dodoro has just become an easy target now. Its boring.

Not only the recruiters but many on here were also sprouting Perkins, Hobbs just to name a couple..it's easy from the cheap seats..

 

[pepsi]

Analysing Essendon’s Drafting History in the Adrian Dodoro era

Adrian Dodoro: An IntroductionHe’s either the mastermind or the antichrist. A master operator or the single cause of Essendon’s woes of the past 25 years. Few people have polarized Essendon fans more than departed List boss Adrian Dodoro. Having been involved in the list management of the club...

www.donthestat.com

Here's a good article that looks at it from a data perspective and not a recency bias perspective.

How many all Australian players did he draft in over 20 years?

Rohan Connolly echoing a lot of our thoughts here:

Adrian Dodoro's 'abusive text' called out amid stinging Essendon criticism - 3AW is Football

Rohan Connolly's strong editorial about the state of Essendon right now.

omny.fm

 

[faible]

Analysing Essendon’s Drafting History in the Adrian Dodoro era

Adrian Dodoro: An IntroductionHe’s either the mastermind or the antichrist. A master operator or the single cause of Essendon’s woes of the past 25 years. Few people have polarized Essendon fans more than departed List boss Adrian Dodoro. Having been involved in the list management of the club...

www.donthestat.com

Here's a good article that looks at it from a data perspective and not a recency bias perspective.

I think the issue was always that the players didn't complement one-another more than anything else.

In a 5-year period we drafted or traded in; Merrett, Parish, McGrath, Smith & Shiel. That's a whole group of midfielders between 176ish and 182ish. That's not even including guys like Clarke and Mutch.

Individually they're all AFL standard guys, but they're not complementary. Sure, we did have Jobe and Myers and Hocking all on the list at various points here who were a bit bigger, but where's the long-term planning and balance to the midfield group? Shiel had a little bit of a POD with his speed, and Merrett with his kicking, but largely it's very samey.

If they were mid-high 180s you could probably have gotten away with it, or if they all had elite IQ / kicking, or elite running power. But I wouldn't say he was necessarily good at identifying key traits for modern AFL players, where I think since the mid-late 2010's the game had moved to a different kind of player and Dodoro wasn't drafting them.

If you took the pre-draft consensus and just drafted in that order for the first 2 rounds, you'd basically have a Dodoro draft. Guys that are fine individually, but may not necessarily provide a complement to the guys we already have.

It's also probably why we have such large arguments over the state of the list. We have a lot of guys that are fine, they're decent AFL players, if they all play good games all at once then we're a good side on our day, but they're not necessarily a team that can play above the sum of it's parts week-in-week-out and we didn't have any true superstars that can take a game apart the way we saw Dangerfield do on Friday night. We end up capping out around the bottom of the 8, but look like we have potential, so supporters get restless thinking it's just a coach change away from being a good side.

 

[thebigboy]

 

[Lore]

Analysing Essendon’s Drafting History in the Adrian Dodoro era

Adrian Dodoro: An IntroductionHe’s either the mastermind or the antichrist. A master operator or the single cause of Essendon’s woes of the past 25 years. Few people have polarized Essendon fans more than departed List boss Adrian Dodoro. Having been involved in the list management of the club...

www.donthestat.com

Here's a good article that looks at it from a data perspective and not a recency bias perspective.

Kyptastic

 

[rumply]

It's time to reclaim "Old Essendon".

“Old Essendon” shouldn’t be a divided club, board challenges and instability. It’s Jack Jones giving tours of The Hangar to fans until his final days, , because he wanted people to love Essendon Football Club as much as he did, it’s Michael Long standing up against racism with his club united...

www.donthestat.com