Bombers Best 22-2013

[Old Campaigner]

Wasn't Fletcher recruited as a forward? How did that turn out?

I'll leave it to the coaches to decide whether Kommer gets a game but the fact that he was supposed to be a midfielder doesn't mean he has to play there.

 

[table tennis]

Wasn't Fletcher recruited as a forward? How did that turn out?

I'll leave it to the coaches to decide whether Kommer gets a game but the fact that he was supposed to be a midfielder doesn't mean he has to play there.

Fletch played ruck in his first game!

 

[Jesse G]

BACKS: Hardingham Carlisle Fletcher
HALF BACK: Goddard Hurley Hibberd
MIDFIELD: Stanton Watson Dempsey
HALF FORWARDS: Zaharakis Gumbleton Winderlich
FORWARDS: Davey Ryder Crameri
MIDS: Bellchambers Howlett Heppell

INT: Browne , Daniher , Hocking
SUB: NLM

UNLUCKY: Myers , Melksham , Obrien

NOT UP TO IT: Pears , Hooker , Hille , Colyer , Jetta

 

[TD_B52]

BACKS: Hardingham Carlisle Fletcher
HALF BACK: Goddard Hurley Hibberd
MIDFIELD: Stanton Watson Dempsey
HALF FORWARDS: Zaharakis Gumbleton Winderlich
FORWARDS: Davey Ryder Crameri
MIDS: Bellchambers Howlett Heppell

INT: Browne , Daniher , Hocking
SUB: NLM

UNLUCKY: Myers , Melksham , Obrien

NOT UP TO IT: Pears , Hooker , Hille , Colyer , Jetta

Looks pretty solid, would swap demmpsey and goddard

 

[Rack Watts]

I know I don't really do serious posts often, but here's my 15 yen.

FB: Fletcher, Carlisle, Pears
HB: Dempsey, Hurley, Hibberd
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Winderlich, Ryder, Zaharakis
FF: Crameri, Daniher, Davey
R: Bellchambers, Howlett, Goddard

I/C: Myers, Hocking, Jetta
Sub: Davis


This is the lineup I'd choose.

The Backs:

Execution: Skill level in a backline, is something I see as incredibly important, there's nothing worse than seeing a flood of players start to attack, then the ball gets turned over.
Flexibility: Pears and Fletcher are both quick enough to play on smalls if there's more than just the two in the forward line.
Switching it up: Goddard and Heppell are more than capable of coming back to from the wing/midfield and defending. Dempsey and Hibberd can both play Wing. Myers can also move back if need be.
The TBC Effect: Dude is going to be king by the end of this year, put him in your fantasy leagues, he will score more than any ruckman at years end. Kid is svelt.

Negatives:
Maybe not the most defensive back 6, 1v1 that is, Fletcher rarely loses one and Hurley hates to lose a contest. Could see Hibberd towling up LeCras, Stevie J and the likes?
Very tall also, there's nobody under 190cm except for Hibberd, who's 186cm, not sure it matters to much, the mediums can all lock down smalls.
.................................

The Midfield:

Rotations: Jetta, Hocking and Myers are all on the Midfield as rotations, Jetta, Goddard and Watson can all rest forward with effect, Myers can play KPD reasonably and
Pace: Jetta and Zaharakis are both quick players that can burst through packs, Winderlich can also come into the middle as he's also very quick.
Experience: Watson, Goddard and Stanton are all cool heads with lots of experience.
Tackling pressure Howlett and Hocking are both prolific tacklers, Jetta loves to tackle also.
Foot skills: Goddard and Heppell are both A-Grade users of the ball, Jetta and Zaharakis are also extremely good off the boot, Hockings kicking abilities are massively underrated.
Inside players: Jobe is the best inside player in the comp, Howlett is a good extractor, Hocking and Myers are also no slouches. Zahrakis can extract his own ball too.

Negatives:
Questions on pace? Jetta and Zaharakis being the only ones with better than good pace.
.................................

The Forwards:

Mobility: The entire forward line is both quick and dexterous.
Height: Between Daniher, Ryder and TBC all rotating in and out of the forward line, there's going to be some serious defensive stretching at most times.
Match ups: Who do you put your second best defender on? It doesn't matter so much, the other is probably going to have a big game in the end. Crameri is too quick for people as strong as him and is too strong for people quicker than him.

Negatives:
Will the midfield constantly kick the ball over the heads of the KPF's?
Will the forward line gel? It just didn't function often last year.
Enough crumbing?
.................................

Interchange/Sub:

Myers: Can go back, wing or inside, has apparently gained a yard of pace.
Jetta: Can go middle and to any flank, all the pace and defensive pressure, sitting on the bench makes you want to get into the game.
Hocking: Good middle rotation player for Watson and Howlett, who are work horses, too good a player to leave out of the side.

Davis: Can play anywhere, needs some AFL experience.

Negatives:
Inconsistent players like Myers and Jetta on the bench
Taller player in?





Thoughts???

Feedback would be sweet, I don't often do big posts like this, have decided to make more of an effort this season though.
It's probably too late, I have a pretty big reputation as a clown.

 

[HULK HOGAN]

I know I don't really do serious posts often, but here's my 15 yen.

FB: Fletcher, Carlisle, Pears
HB: Dempsey, Hurley, Hibberd
C: Stanton, Watson, Heppell
HF: Winderlich, Ryder, Zaharakis
FF: Crameri, Daniher, Davey
R: Bellchambers, Howlett, Goddard

I/C: Myers, Hocking, Jetta
Sub: Davis


This is the lineup I'd choose.

The Backs:

Execution: Skill level in a backline, is something I see as incredibly important, there's nothing worse than seeing a flood of players start to attack, then the ball gets turned over.
Flexibility: Pears and Fletcher are both quick enough to play on smalls if there's more than just the two in the forward line.
Switching it up: Goddard and Heppell are more than capable of coming back to from the wing/midfield and defending. Dempsey and Hibberd can both play Wing. Myers can also move back if need be.
The TBC Effect: Dude is going to be king by the end of this year, put him in your fantasy leagues, he will score more than any ruckman at years end. Kid is svelt.

Negatives:
Maybe not the most defensive back 6, 1v1 that is, Fletcher rarely loses one and Hurley hates to lose a contest. Could see Hibberd towling up LeCras, Stevie J and the likes?
Very tall also, there's nobody under 190cm except for Hibberd, who's 186cm, not sure it matters to much, the mediums can all lock down smalls.
.................................

The Midfield:

Rotations: Jetta, Hocking and Myers are all on the Midfield as rotations, Jetta, Goddard and Watson can all rest forward with effect, Myers can play KPD reasonably and
Pace: Jetta and Zaharakis are both quick players that can burst through packs, Winderlich can also come into the middle as he's also very quick.
Experience: Watson, Goddard and Stanton are all cool heads with lots of experience.
Tackling pressure Howlett and Hocking are both prolific tacklers, Jetta loves to tackle also.
Foot skills: Goddard and Heppell are both A-Grade users of the ball, Jetta and Zaharakis are also extremely good off the boot, Hockings kicking abilities are massively underrated.
Inside players: Jobe is the best inside player in the comp, Howlett is a good extractor, Hocking and Myers are also no slouches. Zahrakis can extract his own ball too.

Negatives:
Questions on pace? Jetta and Zaharakis being the only ones with better than good pace.
.................................

The Forwards:

Mobility: The entire forward line is both quick and dexterous.
Height: Between Daniher, Ryder and TBC all rotating in and out of the forward line, there's going to be some serious defensive stretching at most times.
Match ups: Who do you put your second best defender on? It doesn't matter so much, the other is probably going to have a big game in the end. Crameri is too quick for people as strong as him and is too strong for people quicker than him.

Negatives:
Will the midfield constantly kick the ball over the heads of the KPF's?
Will the forward line gel? It just didn't function often last year.
Enough crumbing?
.................................

Interchange/Sub:

Myers: Can go back, wing or inside, has apparently gained a yard of pace.
Jetta: Can go middle and to any flank, all the pace and defensive pressure, sitting on the bench makes you want to get into the game.
Hocking: Good middle rotation player for Watson and Howlett, who are work horses, too good a player to leave out of the side.

Davis: Can play anywhere, needs some AFL experience.

Negatives:
Inconsistent players like Myers and Jetta on the bench
Taller player in?





Thoughts???

Feedback would be sweet, I don't often do big posts like this, have decided to make more of an effort this season though.
It's probably too late, I have a pretty big reputation as a clown.

I like this team for round 1 although I think we can play Hurley forward., without Tippett they only have one gun up forward.

 

[eth-dog]

Too tall in defence. Hurley CHF, Ryder FF, Pears CHB, Hardingham BP, Daniher out

 

[Keystone agony]

After watching the game today, seeing the list named and knowing a bit about my side ive finally come to a best 22 that i think will line up against the crows round 1 considering we now have no more games before round 1.

Now i dont have as much inside knowledge as others on here in regards to injuries relating to Zacka, Winders and Hardingham ect. However i think Zacka will play esp if he gets a solid hitout in the reserves. At the very least hed be our sub.

So my team and specific positions. I cant put Hardy and Winders in until they show me something in a game. At best they could be a sub.

Baguley - Carlisle - Fletcher

Dempsey - Hooker - Hibberd

Goddard - Watson - Stanton

Zaharakis - Hurley - Kommer(debut)

Crameri - Ryder - Jetta

TBC - Heppell - Hocking

Howlett, Myers, Kavanagh(2nd game)

Sub: Davey/NLM

Id think Hardingham has only one competition in that side and thats Baguley but ive been really impressed with his NAB campaign and Hardy injured needs to show why Baguley doesnt deserve to be in the side.

Winders has his spot filled by Kommer in a defensive half forward spot. The coaches mentioned that Kommer was being groomed to play the defensive HFF position, dare i say it (Monfries role). Winders is probably different to Hardy if fully fit hes picked ahead of Kommer 10/10 for me and even some would argue maybe Jetta.

I cant see the side or positions being any other way. Lets see how close i get. Howlett due to injury over PS starts slow and finds himself starting on the bench.

We still have some great depth. Winders, Hardy, Pears, Hille, Gumby, JoeD, Melky, A.Browne along with one of those subs and a little surprise packet from Merrett and Gleeson who are probably ahead of some of those 7 names i mentioned from what it looks.

Zaka i really want to play onball with what i see now Jobe and Heppell. However injury slow he will play plenty forward which im fine with but expect him to be a big part of the onball starting brigade as the season moves on. All well known by other fans i know.

Really excited about Kav. His NAB games have been very impressive for the game time hes had. Now i look at DT points and he is right up there with having points per minutes in our team, which means when hes playing hes right in the action. This was backed up with his first solid hitout against GWS in which he started and gained 20 possessions. Im might be a bit bias by having him in, but im really excited with him playing this year.

 

[yaco55]

KA

Think you have nailed the team - NLM is a lock to be SUB.

I am unsure whether you can have Myers/Kavanagh in the side, but will probably happen.

Want Kommer to play midfield minutes.

 

[eth-dog]

KA

Think you have nailed the team - NLM is a lock to be SUB.

I am unsure whether you can have Myers/Kavanagh in the side, but will probably happen.

Want Kommer to play midfield minutes.

Hardingham>Baguley
Winderlich and Kommer I can't split, unsure if Licha will be fit for round 1
I also think Kavanagh is playing Zaka's role so i'm not sure he's ahead of Melksham. Melk plays if he's fit, it's as simple as that

 

[DaSawx]

Can you only nit split Winders/Kommer because of his fitness?

Pretty easy decision if Winders is 100%

 

[eth-dog]

Can you only nit split Winders/Kommer because of his fitness?

Pretty easy decision if Winders is 100%

pretty much.

 

[Keystone agony]

KA

Think you have nailed the team - NLM is a lock to be SUB.

I am unsure whether you can have Myers/Kavanagh in the side, but will probably happen.

Want Kommer to play midfield minutes.

Im not so 100% sure about it. Davey appears a decent option aswell but NLM is the safer option and can play anywhere hes also getting a few quality midfield/onball minutes into him.

Why cant you see Myers and Kav in the same side? Both very different footballers

Unfortunatly Kommer is providing quality defensive work in our forward line and if Winders and Davey arnt there, theres only one spot for him thats forward. Hasnt been groomed as a midfielder i here, but his WAFL footy suggest he can play that. I love him forward he adds to us in a pesty way.

For too long we have allowed these stylish, relaxed, chilled, run through the motion forwards play by themselves for too long when the game was all about keeping it inside our forward 50 (Crameri, Ryder, Davey, Jetta) they are those typical forwards. Kommer really changes that up and we need it. Its why after everyone was picking Davey in their side purely based on last year 27 goals good effort is not going to play round 1.

 

[BrunoV]

It is really hard to comment given that I haven't seen any of the preseason games and I don't want to be talking too much uninformed shit (or at least any more than usual), but it is getting hard to resist.

One thing that I continually take from Hird is that he has invested heavily in certain players who he believes will take the club to the next level. I am certain that Hird's opinion of a number of players dramatically differs from many of the Big Footy norms (which is as obvious as it should be but seems to be frequently missed). Hird seems to go out of his way to mention players like Hurley, Ryder and, more significantly for the purposes of this post, Myers and Kavanagh. This mentality also seems to be reflected in the selection of Melksham and even Hooker when most think that these two should be out of the side.

The significance of this, to some of the recent discussion, is that even in the unlikely event that Kavanagah and Myers, for example, were competing for the same position I am quite certain that they are seen as players who Hird wants to form part of the core 18-22 players on the list and that they would both be selected. Any preference for Kavanagah is not based on the number at which he was drafted but his ability in and around clearances which is an area that continues to be a bit of an unknown and tends to be a bit of a weakness for EFC. I think we will continue to strengthen this aspect of our game as much as possible which will favour the selection of Kavanagah over Merrett, Gleeson and even Browne and Colyer where there is direct competition for spots. While the others may be about the same as Kav off a wing or as part of a midfield rotation generally they all seem to fall behind as centre square/clearance players.

The clearance issue is why Myers will get as full a run as part of the first or second choice onball set up as is possible and why Hocking would not be considered under any pressure to keep his spot even if his form was still poorish. It would take half a season and some inspired form from someone below to see him come under the sort of pressure that could see him left out of a side. Kommer will have the defensive forward string to his bow which means that his selection would not affect the selection of midfielders except to further increase our on field depth.

I'm still disappointed that we have not tried to fit Pears into the side. You can add Baguley to the current list of Hibberd and Hardingham being players that do not have greater speed or agility than Pears does to the noticeable extent that they are more physically suited to playing on most smaller forwards. At the lower level Pears' ball use and decision making seems to be approaching pre-injury quality which would have such a big impact on our backline which still lacks polish with ball in hand.

Hurley to defence has to be considered all but dead for the rest of the year. Obviously it can be revisited as a result of an injury and a few big performances from JD or Gumby but we have clearly trained all preseason with Hurls as a part of the forward structure.

As far as the forward structure is concerned, I still think we are better served with the additional KPF but neither JD or Gumby are going to be ready enough to cover the sort of ground they would be required to if we were to be that top heavy. I like the idea of Kommer and Crameri being the big bodies punishing opposition defenders at ground level.