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Brad Ebert
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Galileo9
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point is that not many 21 year olds had already player 75 games. and his kicking has improved this year. its actually improved alot.
im not comparing him to swan. ebert is still a developing player, the whole hasnt developed bit is pure perception. also he has kicked 14 goals. so using that, he is at least twice as good as you think
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I'd love to know which players from the prelim final (+Rosa and Smith) he is "easily" ahead of.
Would West Coast take Pick 6 and Travis Boak for Brad?
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Don't encourage them. Some of these guys want us to pay so "overs" for Ebert they'll think you're being serious.
I am yet to find an eagles supporter who thinks Ebert is worth pick 6, let alone pick 6 and one of your best players.
In an ordinary draft. he's worth your second round pick, which would be pick 17 (excluding PP's and without GWS).
So because of GWS, do you actually think he is only worth pick 33?
Could we throw in Hartlett or Butcher to sweeten the deal?
Quality debating right here.
billyboy 21
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Just give us Motlop and we will chuck in Nic Nat. Lecras for your 4th rounder too.
Finally some quality posts for everyone to consider
Can't believe the attitude from port supporters that this deal is a fiat-accompli and west coast will take whatever they are given.
Its simply not the case.
Apparently there are a few decent port players more than willing to leave port even if through the PSD to get away from the rabble, I think they should be focussing their attention on that.
Its simply not the case.
Apparently there are a few decent port players more than willing to leave port even if through the PSD to get away from the rabble, I think they should be focussing their attention on that.
He should focus on being a first 18 AFL player.
In your case he definitely would be.
wow this does put things into perspective
Funny that.
Every player we want has signed on this year.
Ebert for pick 51. Take it or leave it
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Those are the only two potentially serious responses of the lot, and both of them are better equipped to play their particular roles than Ebert.
I maintain that if he wasn't a first round pick and if his name wasn't Ebert West Coast fans wouldn't be demanding half as much, and Port wouldn't be nearly as keen.
It must take a bit longer for news to reach our friends out west... maybe he's confusing us with the Cows
You ask for my opinion, you get my opinion, then you rubbish it because it's not your opinion. So why even bother asking?
I know you don't care about argument but here's why the above were selected:
Waters - Terrible disposal coming out of defence means he's left to play lose because the opposition want the ball in his hands. Gets many touches but doesn't hurt the opposition at all. Liability.
Gaff - Can only receive the ball on a plater at this stage. When it gets hot, he's useless. Works one way.
Selwood - Doesn't get to enough contests and doesn't use it. Good lock down skills though but he's about shot.
McGinnity - Limited offensive game, which is very well documented.
Darling - The closest to being better than Ebert. At his best, he takes marks but leading smartly. At his worst, he's not sighted for entire games as we go long to Kennedy.
So, that's why Ebert is best 22. That and the fact that he played 22 out of 25 games when we had the smallest injury list in the AFL.
What interests me is how a 21 year old, best 22 player, in a top 4 side, isn't worth a top 22 pick in a shallow draft.
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Because when you're trading for a 21yo, the key thing you're looking at is how they'll be performing in 2-3 years time, not how they're performing now. Ebert's already elite in the one area that's usually subject to improvement (i.e. endurance) plus he already has 70 games of experience. His upside from here is very limited. And as I've said, his best 22 status is in dispute (amongst Eagles supporters as much as anyone).
Following your line of argument, I imagine you'd be in favour of the Eagles ponying up theor first rounder or more for Jarryd Blair, who's much more entrenched in the Collingwood 22 than Ebert is in WC's?
I wonder if you're that cynical in general or only when it suits some motivation you may have.
You're saying that Ebert's endurance and experience are negatives because it means he has less upside? Presumably you'd be happier if he'd shown an inability to stay on the park and couldn't run out a game.
How about this: a more optimistic view of Ebert - you'll get durability, versatility, leadership, strength, overhead marking, kamikaze desperation, up to a decade of service and so on.
If you want upside, it's in his kicking, although it's way better than bigfooty would have you think.
The point is, you can slant everything downhill but it doesn't make it true.
And if you're thinking I wont meet you half way, try me - I'll gladly tell you where Ebert is lacking as a player.
You're saying that Ebert's endurance and experience are negatives because it means he has less upside? Presumably you'd be happier if he'd shown an inability to stay on the park and couldn't run out a game.
How about this: a more optimistic view of Ebert - you'll get durability, versatility, leadership, strength, overhead marking, kamikaze desperation, up to a decade of service and so on.
If you want upside, it's in his kicking, although it's way better than bigfooty would have you think.
The point is, you can slant everything downhill but it doesn't make it true.
And if you're thinking I wont meet you half way, try me - I'll gladly tell you where Ebert is lacking as a player.
juddy_Like
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After 3 years of shit team-wise, why would Ebert want to go to a club thats in line for 3 years of shit.
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