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Arcassius said:
Because such a high percentage of the top players in the national competition come from WA? Great call
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Around 50% of the players come for Victoria. Over 50% of the clubs are from there.

Around 20% of the players come from WA. 11% of the clubs are from there.

It's not about where the players are, it's about where your strategic advantages over the rest of competition lies.
 
its free real estate said:
Around 50% of the players come for Victoria. Over 50% of the clubs are from there.

Around 20% of the players come from WA. 11% of the clubs are from there.

It's not about where the players are, it's about where your strategic advantages over the rest of competition lies.
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That advantage would be achieved by extending your knowledge beyond your backyard.
 
DannyTheDoorman said:
A lawyer like you is what we need as you have all the experience and attributes to do a good job so you have my Vote. You dont have to be a recruiter as that responsibility would be yours but there is a whole recruiting Dept to do that for you.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence! If only. Geez it’d be nice to work for an organisation that I actually believed in and cared about! I’d be so driven to help the club to a flag that it wouldn’t feel like work at all!
 

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theGav56 said:
That advantage would be achieved by extending your knowledge beyond your backyard.
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No. You're not going to get any advantage over the 10 Victorian clubs already based in Melbourne, with their informal networks in all the TAC clubs, country juniors, and private schools. Think about it from the point of view of a coach or club official from a small club in Melbourne's exurbs - what incentive is there in giving the Fremantle head recruiter the inside word of a player who is flying under the radar? Because the kid has focused on a different sport before returning to footy, been injured, focused on studies, etc. Take your pick. Why would he tell the Fremantle recruiter something instead of the Collingwood recruiter? "This kids actually a gun, but the reason why he hasn't played much footy in the past couple of years is because his dad's sick". Who gets that information?

The advantages of a WA based head recruiter is that the incentives of the people coaching juniors in WA and Fremantle align better than those elsewhere. A coach of Claremont colts or Aquinas will more likely want to see his players play in Perth - possibly because he knows the family, or just self interest to be able to see the kid play every week. He's more likely to feed that information about who's good to the Perth based clubs than non-WA clubs.

Secondly, presence around the club and in Perth means there is better, faster feedback about the state of the list and how the players he's picked are going. Maybe five years ago he comes into the club one day and hears from a trainer that our key defenders are struggling to get right each game. Or that Zac Clarke's knee issues are worse than thought, and changes his view about the state of the list. Maybe he shows up to a Peel game and sees the kid he took at 30 a couple of years back hasn't made the transition to professional footy that he expected, and recalibrates how he assesses juniors.
 
Not an ideal time but unless you’ve won a premiership there’s probably never really the right time to go.

Like Lloyd himself we’ll probably promote someone from within the recruiting team and move on. Probably have no choice unless Lloyd stays until after the draft. Hope he does as it’d be disruptive to leave before hand.
 
its free real estate said:
No. You're not going to get any advantage over the 10 Victorian clubs already based in Melbourne, with their informal networks in all the TAC clubs, country juniors, and private schools. Think about it from the point of view of a coach or club official from a small club in Melbourne's exurbs - what incentive is there in giving the Fremantle head recruiter the inside word of a player who is flying under the radar? Because the kid has focused on a different sport before returning to footy, been injured, focused on studies, etc. Take your pick. Why would he tell the Fremantle recruiter something instead of the Collingwood recruiter? "This kids actually a gun, but the reason why he hasn't played much footy in the past couple of years is because his dad's sick". Who gets that information?

The advantages of a WA based head recruiter is that the incentives of the people coaching juniors in WA and Fremantle align better than those elsewhere. A coach of Claremont colts or Aquinas will more likely want to see his players play in Perth - possibly because he knows the family, or just self interest to be able to see the kid play every week. He's more likely to feed that information about who's good to the Perth based clubs than non-WA clubs.

Secondly, presence around the club and in Perth means there is better, faster feedback about the state of the list and how the players he's picked are going. Maybe five years ago he comes into the club one day and hears from a trainer that our key defenders are struggling to get right each game. Or that Zac Clarke's knee issues are worse than thought, and changes his view about the state of the list. Maybe he shows up to a Peel game and sees the kid he took at 30 a couple of years back hasn't made the transition to professional footy that he expected, and recalibrates how he assesses juniors.
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You know there are guys in Perth too right?

Also they aren't operating by carrier pigeon lol
 
Docker82 said:
Not an ideal time but unless you’ve won a premiership there’s probably never really the right time to go.

Like Lloyd himself we’ll probably promote someone from within the recruiting team and move on. Probably have no choice unless Lloyd stays until after the draft. Hope he does as it’d be disruptive to leave before hand.
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I can't see how he could stay on any longer if he has committed to another club (pay him out, show him the door). We would want all out IP off his laptop etc non-disclosure clauses and out then bye bye. One solider out another will have to step up...No one is indispensable (i'm comfortable with them getting another vic based list manager though - makes sense that is where bulk of talent is)
 
One_Wing said:
You know there are guys in Perth too right?

Also they aren't operating by carrier pigeon lol
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Yes, but their information just becomes a data point for Lloyd, one of many. Instead of a deeper understanding he might get by being based in Perth and being able to watch that hot tip more closely. Second hand information is rarely as strong as first hand information, and you need to work with your advantages.
 
se17enteen said:
The Brad Lloyd myth.

He got us Fyfe. Wrong it was Phi Smart.

He got us pick 2 for Weller. Wrong it was Lyon that went to the board and said pick 2 or we’ll keep him.


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The Head Coach doesn't go to the Board on Draft Pick matters whch are Lloydy's responsibility as it doesn't work that way. Ross can have input to Lloyd but it is Brad's decision
 
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se17enteen said:
Brad Lloyd was a player manager before Chris Bond took a risk and gave him a job as our list manager. (Collingwood has since copied and also hired a player manager to be their list manager)

Any chance we could get Lachie Neale’s manager to be our list manager.

Come on Freo make it happen.


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Bond isn't in charge of the General Manager List Management Rosich is so Bondy didn't appoint Lloyd at all.

Sorry to be blunt but you obviously don't know the structure of the Executive Team and the reporting relationships. I have personally asked Bondy about his and Lloyd's responsibilities and both positions hold general Manager status and report to Steve Rosich our CEO.
 
its free real estate said:
Yes, but their information just becomes a data point for Lloyd, one of many. Instead of a deeper understanding he might get by being based in Perth and being able to watch that hot tip more closely. Second hand information is rarely as strong as first hand information, and you need to work with your advantages.
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He wasn't grounded in Melbourne. He traveled a fair bit. Even went up to NT to watch Nyhuis. Plus there is hours and hours of video footage.
 
So so at this news. Need a refresh, and has always been apparent that Lloyd was looking to go back, just a matter of when. Feel better that he has a massive job going to the state of affairs that is Carlton. If it appeals to him, good luck. Lots of hard toil ahead for him.
 
One_Wing said:
Doesn't give him a disadvantage either so what's the bfd?
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I explained the disadvantages before. As a head recruiter based in Victoria, he gets no inside information from local footy networks (the incentives don't align), and is detached from the comings and goings at the club about player progression and form.
 

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DannyTheDoorman said:
The Head Coach doesn't go to the Board on Draft Pick matters whch are Lloydy's responsibility as it doesn't work that way. Ross can have input to Lloyd but it is Brad's decision
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There was a strategic review of list management in which Ross, the CEO and three members of the Board were brought in to give "guidance" to Lloyd who wasn't get it done. Further to that, this wasn't a "Draft Pick matter". Ross didn't go to the Board to tell them who Brad should take with pick 2.
 
Crippa said:
There was a strategic review of list management in which Ross, the CEO and three members of the Board were brought in to give "guidance" to Lloyd who wasn't get it done. Further to that, this wasn't a "Draft Pick matter". Ross didn't go to the Board to tell them who Brad should take with pick 2.
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Without necessarily inferring anything about Lloyd's abilities, this sounds like a member of staff out of the loop about the club's priorities. That he had to be directly counselled about what to do suggests a breakdown in communication, and that the arrangement couldn't have continued regardless of what Lloyd decided to do with his career.
 
It is not like we are in for a huge draft year this year. We have basically signed everyone, have a first round pick, then a 4th.
Good time to change it up and have a fresh take on our list. This is good news in a rebuild I reckon.

I am not going to bag Lloyd either. He gets direction, and had the "best available" mantra, which did not work for us. You miss some, you get some. Easier to identify the misses. Probably the McGovern's, the main one, with a Freo history. 2016 we took Logue - everyone wanted a KPP, and it could have been English who went 19. He looks a player, but jury will be out on him. Nobody wants an injury prone ruckman. Sam PP - went 18 - under the radar, I do not think we wanted another midfielder. I think that draft we did as well as we could have. Darcy 38 has saved us, and Cox 41 was probably the pick of the forwards - Cedric Cox looks ok (25).

Last year we did awesome. Cerra may leave, but he will bring some bargaining chips, as he is a genuine A grade player.

So, well done Lloyd, thanks for your work, good luck.
 
Freo Shark said:
Crippa When was this review done? Whats your connection to Ross, because you appear to be not a Freo fan rather than a "Ross fan"
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The review was done in 2016. Plenty of articles on this which a quick search would reveal. I have no inside info. As to your other questions, I'm a Freo member. I don't know Ross. Never met the bloke.
 

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