Brett Deledio

[Snooperclyde]

As for trades for Deledio, I am available to drop Hansen and Staker off at the airport.

Don't worry about trades, just give em fiddy bucks each and a one way ticket my trailer is available if you need room in the boot for Seaby.

As for getting Deledio, Richmond do need another ruckman.

Will Sullivan and Seaby with a second round draft pick would suit both clubs.

Sullivan will not make our team while Cox and Naitanui are around unless the coaching staff opt for putting Coxy at FF. I don't subscribe to Coxy going forward though, he is too damaging with his run and wasted at FF.

202cms, born 1990, playing league footy in the WAFL and having an impact. Sullivan deserves a chance in the AFL and I fear he will just get pissed off being over looked in the coming years, so we should take a trade before he just nominates for the PSD and we get sweet FA.

If Coxy or Naita get injured well we can run with 1 ruck until they mend and Coxy is very durable anyway.

 

[Special Agent Utah]

As for getting Deledio, Richmond do need another ruckman.

Brown
Graham
Pattison
Putt
Simmonds
Vickery

That's 6 ruckmen they have on their list with one a rookie. Graham has improved a lot this year, Vickery is talented and only Simmonds is over 23.

Please explain why in the world they would want an over rated Seaby and another unproven player who is yet to play a game?

Will Sullivan and Seaby with a second round draft pick would suit both clubs.

Haha the only club that would suit would be us. Sullivan has not played a game yet, Seaby is finished and a second round draft pick is a lottery. Yet you think this is a win for both clubs? That is laughable.

Sullivan will not make our team while Cox and Naitanui are around unless the coaching staff opt for putting Coxy at FF. I don't subscribe to Coxy going forward though, he is too damaging with his run and wasted at FF.

Yet you want to trade him for a ready made midfielder who has won a B and F who is only 22. Sounds fair to me.

202cms, born 1990, playing league footy in the WAFL and having an impact. Sullivan deserves a chance in the AFL and I fear he will just get pissed off being over looked in the coming years, so we should take a trade before he just nominates for the PSD and we get sweet FA.

We would be lucky to get anything for him even if we did put him up for trade.

If Coxy or Naita get injured well we can run with 1 ruck until they mend and Coxy is very durable anyway.

So if Cox gets injured and we get rid of all the other ruck options, you are happy with Nic Nat to run in the ruck all day in his second year with no back up except for maybe Lynch? Very dangerous ploy.

 

[BOND 007]

Quality outside attacking mids are what we need. Problem is that for the price we could get him (ie our first pick), we could also pick up a youngster with similar attributes, like morabito or lucas. A coach struggling to keep his job would make the swap, but I would prefer lucas honestly.
If, god forbid, we had a PP, with picks 2, 4 and 20, then i would consider pick 4+sweetener (rosa?) for Deledio+2nd round(21/22).
Deledio is probably worth a little bit more than that, but considering the value that will be placed on this years draft, especially with midfield talents like lucas and scully floating around, i doubt you would get much better.
Then perhaps package 20 and 21/22 for a mid first rounder, then nab jetta.
Jetta, Deledio and Lucas=win

If you're talking Lewis Jetta from Swans then IMO he wont go 1st round. Talent is undeniable - however he WAS eligable to be drafted last year but walked away from swans preferring to go back to Bunbury. From all reports there are some issues raising their heads again and clubs will be aware of this and wont take the risk and so pick 20 ish should be enough.
If you want to then use the pick 21/22 - why noy use it on another Jetta - from Bombers - ending up with Lucas, deledio and both Jettas.

 

[Snooperclyde]

Brown
Graham
Pattison
Putt
Simmonds
Vickery

That's 6 ruckmen they have on their list with one a rookie. Graham has improved a lot this year, Vickery is talented and only Simmonds is over 23.



So if Cox gets injured and we get rid of all the other ruck options, you are happy with Nic Nat to run in the ruck all day in his second year with no back up except for maybe Lynch? Very dangerous ploy.

Graham has come on nicely
Simmonds wont play AFL again
Pattison is only 198 and b-grade at best (Seaby class)
Vickery although 200cms will become a very good forward IMO, if you go by his games in the u/18's last year.
Putt/Browne are big boys but both have been struggling to get a game with the Coburg Tigers, so not in the class of Sullivan.
OK it was just a token gesture to throw Seaby in but that is how lowly I rate their rucking division, obviously you have more faith.

That leaves them with Graham and Vickery, refer above for Vickery.

Have you watched Sullivan play mate?
He is 19 and will become a walk-up start at AFL level and that is my point. No use rattling on about he hasn't played a game yet because he is a rookie, he has however played in all the WAFL games for Perth seniors this year and been named among the best players, just read the WAFL reports on our website.

Cox has missed eight games in five years so like I said durable. If you doubt Naitanui could handle the ruck work then head down to Bassendean oval and ask around............but prepare to be laughed at.

Your reply was very good but not thought through properly unless of coarse you rate the Tigers rucks..........I guess you do.

 

[Barnzy]

Graham has come on nicely
Simmonds wont play AFL again
Pattison is only 198 and b-grade at best (Seaby class)
Vickery although 200cms will become a very good forward IMO, if you go by his games in the u/18's last year.
Putt/Browne are big boys but both have been struggling to get a game with the Coburg Tigers, so not in the class of Sullivan.
OK it was just a token gesture to throw Seaby in but that is how lowly I rate their rucking division, obviously you have more faith.

That leaves them with Graham and Vickery, refer above for Vickery.

Have you watched Sullivan play mate?
He is 19 and will become a walk-up start at AFL level and that is my point.

Cox has missed eight games in five years so like I said durable. If you doubt Naitanui could handle the ruck work then head down to Bassendean oval and ask around............but prepare to be laughed at.

Your reply was very good but not thought through properly unless of coarse you rate the Tigers rucks..........I guess you do.

You Eagles need to give up on trying to get rid of Seaby, we won't be interested anymore. There is 12/10 in the VFL so that means if you have a short injury list, someone has to play in the reserves and Browne is in his first year while Putt is a long-term prospect. Another preseason under all their belts and Vickery who will be playing regular senior football next year. Just because he took some good marks up forward in his youtube highlights package doesn't mean he will be a forward, he will spend more then his fair share of time in ruck.

So that gives us -

2 starters: Vickery, Graham
Backup: Browne (Already impressed enough to already get an AFL game), Putt, Pattison (Will get another chance in 2010 to improve and prove his worth as Simmonds will be gone). Worse come to worse we will take another ruckman in the rookie draft to be backup for the backup. We don't need ruckman that badly. We do need tall forwards badly though.

 

[Snooperclyde]

You Eagles need to give up on trying to get rid of Seaby, we won't be interested anymore. There is 12/10 in the VFL so that means if you have a short injury list, someone has to play in the reserves and Browne is in his first year while Putt is a long-term prospect. Another preseason under all their belts and Vickery who will be playing regular senior football next year. Just because he took some good marks up forward in his youtube highlights package doesn't mean he will be a forward, he will spend more then his fair share of time in ruck.

So that gives us -

2 starters: Vickery, Graham
Backup: Browne (Already impressed enough to already get an AFL game), Putt, Pattison (Will get another chance in 2010 to improve and prove his worth as Simmonds will be gone). Worse come to worse we will take another ruckman in the rookie draft to be backup for the backup. We don't need ruckman that badly. We do need tall forwards badly though.

Hello..............Vickery calling
I suppose there must be some wraps on Browne because you played him ahead of Graham in the first game but he looked way out of his depth and barely touched it. He would want to improve leaps and bounds on that performance. He is young so should improve.

 

[Snooperclyde]

You were a bit too slow on the edit Barnzy.

 

[bodazoka]

Our tall forwards are Hansen, Kennedy, Lynch, Brown and Notte. The only bloke from that lot that we would trade is Hansen and he would be worth around a pick 40 at best. Staker has some ability in the forward line and can run through the midfield but he would be worth pick #30+, the only other one is McKinley who I think (with pick #4) we would trade fairly willingly for Lids.

The fact is the only thing Richmond would want from us is draft picks, and if they wouldnt be willing to except #4 and #19 and/or McKinley then they should try work it out with him because thats about the best offer there going to get.

 

[mudgeathon]

As for getting Deledio, Richmond do need another ruckman.

Will Sullivan and Seaby with a second round draft pick would suit both clubs.

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shit like this just makes me want to rage

That's akin to Richmond thinking hmm West Coast need forwards [we clearly don't as they clearly don't need another average ruckman ie Seaby and an untried youngster yet to make his AFL debut], so if we lump together Jay Schultz, Dean Putt AND a second rounder we should get Lecras/Ebert/Hurn etc

FFS Deledio is only 22 won a BnF at 21, is a Rising Star winner, can kick goals and has brilliant skills

Trading rubbish such as Seaby [been kind here] will not get you a player of Deledio's talent

A first round pick [say pick 4 if we had a priorty] and a player who has shown that he possesses some sort of talent aka D-Mac, Brown [wouldn't trade] is what it would take to get a look in from Richmond

 

[Snooperclyde]

As for getting Deledio, Richmond do need another ruckman.

Will Sullivan and Seaby with a second round draft pick would suit both clubs.

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shit like this just makes me want to rage

That's akin to Richmond thinking hmm West Coast need forwards [we clearly don't as they clearly don't need another average ruckman ie Seaby and an untried youngster yet to make his AFL debut], so if we lump together Jay Schultz, Dean Putt AND a second rounder we should get Lecras/Ebert/Hurn etc

FFS Deledio is only 22 won a BnF at 21, is a Rising Star winner, can kick goals and has brilliant skills

Trading rubbish such as Seaby [been kind here] will not get you a player of Deledio's talent

A first round pick [say pick 4 if we had a priorty] and a player who has shown that he possesses some sort of talent aka D-Mac, Brown [wouldn't trade] is what it would take to get a look in from Richmond

We would be bonkers to trade Brown so stop putting his name out there.

I regret throwing Seaby in OK, I said token gesture above (Joke). They have crap rucks, Yes I know we are blessed with the best ruck combination in the league...........and double yes I know Nick Nata has only played one game.

This really boils down to two things.

1) Is Deledio that good................I suppose so, he's pretty good at Richmond.
2) Equality of trade and timing.
Who is Sullivan.............I really rate him and we will never see much of him because he will struggle to get a game until Coxy hangs up the boots and Sullivan will have moved on by then. I would elevate Sullivan if possible later in the season and showcase his talent, then move him on. I bet if you asked him right now would he go elsewhere he would jump at the chance. I'm sure he knows what lies ahead if he stays.
Another stellar draft looms ( last uncomprimised draft for some time if Sydney mark II enter).- our 2nd rounder would be between 20-24.

I would not trade our 1st round pick for Deledio, because unlike many others I think we are at least three to four years away from being a serious contender - too big a gap between our good senior players and our young fellas.
Another gap looms with the entry of two more teams so instead of bridging the gap with Deledio I would rather Draft heavily again this year.

Just in case you have not realised

We cannot afford to trade ANY good forwards ATM because we need them as much as any other team. We have good midfield prospects coming on IMO.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Sorry to say but some of these proposals are absolutely laughable and pretty embarrassing.
In all likely hood he won't be going anywhere, and if he does leave, it won't be interstate.
And if he was to leave, if you want something quality, you have to give up something of value, not second round pick and a backup player for a former number 1 draft pick, reigning B&F, with huge speed, skills and smarts

 

[Snooperclyde]

Sorry to say but some of these proposals are absolutely laughable and pretty embarrassing.
In all likely hood he won't be going anywhere, and if he does leave, it won't be interstate.
And if he was to leave, if you want something quality, you have to give up something of value, not second round pick and a backup player for a former number 1 draft pick, reigning B&F, with huge speed, skills and smarts

You are right mate, my bad.

Deledio will stay in Melbourne anyway, I think you blokes will have a turnover akin to Freo at the end of this year.

You need to keep Deledio.

 

[tesseract]

Sorry to say but some of these proposals are absolutely laughable and pretty embarrassing.
In all likely hood he won't be going anywhere, and if he does leave, it won't be interstate.
And if he was to leave, if you want something quality, you have to give up something of value, not second round pick and a backup player for a former number 1 draft pick, reigning B&F, with huge speed, skills and smarts

Agreed, these proposals are shite. I don't want lids at WC. I would rather choose Lucus or Morabito with our pick 4.
Morabito would be a walk up start into our 22.

While this draft may be shallow, the top end talent is very good. I don't see us wasting this opportunity to draft the best young kids.

 

[Snooperclyde]

I just realised Coxy is almost 28........had it in my head he was only 26 so rewind..................................

We need to keep young Sullivan to help Naitanui in the ruck in a couple of years. He will be very good so keep your eyes off him mongrels.

Coxy nearly 28, grumble grumble.

 

[bodazoka]

I think it depends on what Richmond want to achieve in the next few years... If the answer to that question is we want to consider everything pre 2006 as poor decisions and take Riewoldt, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, King, Morton, Cotchin, Rance, Putt, Vickery Thomson, Post, Hislop, Nahas, Browne ect... (guys from 2006-2008 Draft) play the hell out of the kids and get some good draft picks this year.

Then they should entertain the idea of trading Deledio for picks #4 and #19. As well as playing all the kids they can through the next few games and also finishing with a pick around #3-5

If they want to trust in the drafting through there last bottoming out period in 2003/04/05 and wait a few more years for those players Delideo, Tambling, Polo, McGuane, Nicholls, Hughes to turn 25 and hope they can lift the team to finals then they wont trade Delideo for squat and will do whatever it takes to keep him there.

Personally I dont think they have enough talented 22yr olds to take them to finals in 3 years, and there going to have to wait till the kids from 06/07/08 come good to get them there.

There sort of in the same position we are now except our genuine stars (ie there Cousins, Brown, Richo) are between 25 and 27 not 30. So our guys will still be around when our current group of 22 yr olds hit 25.

 

[bodazoka]

1) Is Deledio that good................I suppose so, he's pretty good at Richmond.

I can imagine Deledio, Kerr and Cox in the midfield with Kennedy and LeCras up forward and Glass, Hurn, McKenzie down back being able to take us deep into the finals as soon as next year. Lids helps free up Kerr and the rest of the kids and provides another A grade midfield talent at age 22.

I would not trade our 1st round pick for Deledio, because unlike many others I think we are at least three to four years away from being a serious contender - too big a gap between our good senior players and our young fellas.

If we dont bridge that gap guys like Cox, Glass and possibly Kerr (because of his constant beatings every game) will not be around when our team challenges for a top 4 position. Which IMO will be in another 5-6 years. I think we all ready have allot of talent, and can afford to trade a pick #4 if we all ready have a PP.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Staker and Nicoski for Deledio

 

[Snooperclyde]

I can imagine Deledio, Kerr and Cox in the midfield with Kennedy and LeCras up forward and Glass, Hurn, McKenzie down back being able to take us deep into the finals as soon as next year. Lids helps free up Kerr and the rest of the kids and provides another A grade midfield talent at age 22.

If we dont bridge that gap guys like Cox, Glass and possibly Kerr (because of his constant beatings every game) will not be around when our team challenges for a top 4 position. Which IMO will be in another 5-6 years. I think we all ready have allot of talent, and can afford to trade a pick #4 if we all ready have a PP.

How do you see the players mentioned doing this with the addition of Deledio? Our only hope of making finals is when the young players - Selwood, Ebert, Naitanui, Masten, Swift, McKenzie, Shuey, J Jones, Smith, Davis, Cockie, Notte, Stevenson, Houlihan, Wilson, Sullivan, Brown Schofield and Co hit the 22/24 year mark.

And your right they might not be playing - worn out by then, 4 years away IMO.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Lids is over rated. I would bank on picking up a player who will go end up better. We are not going to be a serious contender till at least 2012 so we might as well forget about doing something stupid like trading away a PP or a first round pick.

 

[Obeanie1]

Agreed, these proposals are shite. I don't want lids at WC. I would rather choose Lucus or Morabito with our pick 4.
Morabito would be a walk up start into our 22.

While this draft may be shallow, the top end talent is very good. I don't see us wasting this opportunity to draft the best young kids.

In regards to Deledio and this years draft your right!

This is not the year to give up either pick 2 or 4, if a deal could be done with later picks and players maybe but I doubt if this is feasable.

Its the next 2-3 years after this draft we will be much better placed to give up a round 1 pick for a good WA player who wants to come home.

 

[tesseract]

In regards to Deledio and this years draft your right!

This is not the year to give up either pick 2 or 4, if a deal could be done with later picks and players maybe but I doubt if this is feasable.

Its the next 2-3 years after this draft we will be much better placed to give up a round 1 pick for a good WA player who wants to come home.

I agree with that. For instance, if we finish 10th next season, our 1st round pick will be pick 14. It's a lot easier to part with pick 14 than pick 4. A lot of people on here are willing to give up far too much for Lids. He's not a superstar who's worth a top 5 pick IMO.

 

[Special Agent Utah]

Graham has come on nicely
Simmonds wont play AFL again
Pattison is only 198 and b-grade at best (Seaby class)
Vickery although 200cms will become a very good forward IMO, if you go by his games in the u/18's last year.
Putt/Browne are big boys but both have been struggling to get a game with the Coburg Tigers, so not in the class of Sullivan.
OK it was just a token gesture to throw Seaby in but that is how lowly I rate their rucking division, obviously you have more faith.

I think it is a pretty ordinary rucking division to be honest but that is my point why would Richmond want to throw him into the mix as well. Simmonds is finished like you said, Graham and Vickery are both future prospects. Pattison and Putt and possibly Browne will be on their list still come 2010 so why add 2 more ruckmen to that group (One finished and one untried at this level)? That is my problem with your trade.

Have you watched Sullivan play mate?
He is 19 and will become a walk-up start at AFL level and that is my point. No use rattling on about he hasn't played a game yet because he is a rookie, he has however played in all the WAFL games for Perth seniors this year and been named among the best players, just read the WAFL reports on our website.

Not as much as i would have liked no. I have seen him a few times and i know he has potential but like you said he has not played a game yet so it is really hard to know whether he will adjust to the next level. Of course i hope he does but it is certainly not a certainty.

Cox has missed eight games in five years so like I said durable. If you doubt Naitanui could handle the ruck work then head down to Bassendean oval and ask around............but prepare to be laughed at.

I meant how would he handle ruck duties alone at AFL level? I know he is more than capable of winning hit outs but running out a game with little support at the highest level is a much more difficult task than cruising around in the WAFL. Lets just hope Cox's durabilty lasts a couple more years so Nic Nat can really develop.

 

[Snooperclyde]

I meant how would he handle ruck duties alone at AFL level? I know he is more than capable of winning hit outs but running out a game with little support at the highest level is a much more difficult task than cruising around in the WAFL. Lets just hope Cox's durabilty lasts a couple more years so Nic Nat can really develop.

TBH I wouldn't like to see Nata left alone for too long next year but I don't think that will happen.
On closer inspection I would not trade Sullivan away either, he will be just blooming at 24 when Coxy is about 33 so it would be silly to trade a potentially very good ruckman.
It does place us very well in the draft though, no need for a ruck means we can select the best Mid or KPP available with every pick.

 

[Special Agent Utah]

I would not trade our 1st round pick for Deledio, because unlike many others I think we are at least three to four years away from being a serious contender - too big a gap between our good senior players and our young fellas.
Another gap looms with the entry of two more teams so instead of bridging the gap with Deledio I would rather Draft heavily again this year.

The thing with Deledio though in 3-4 years he will be in his prime at 26 with still 5-6 good years ahead of him. He is 22, Quick, Terrific Skills, Footy Smarts and is only going to get better so he would be part of that challenge in 3-4 years if we could grab him.

I agree it is a tough call given this is the last of the unaffected drafts for a little while but if he comes up for trade i would be all for us having a real crack at him.

 

[Snooperclyde]

The thing with Deledio though in 3-4 years he will be in his prime at 26 with still 5-6 good years ahead of him. He is 22, Quick, Terrific Skills, Footy Smarts and is only going to get better so he would be part of that challenge in 3-4 years if we could grab him.

I agree it is a tough call given this is the last of the unaffected drafts for a little while but if he comes up for trade i would be all for us having a real crack at him.

Yeh nah yeh nah, can't make my mind up.

If the young group come on very quickly then yeh.

To play it safe and have another top line kid nah.

Would rather he became available after next season.