Bring back Fev

[Jeremias]

I don't think there is ANYONE who doesn't wonder how we might be travelling right now with him in the side. If not for his indiscretions, I doubt anyone would have wanted him out of the team.

Of course people have wondered how we would be going if Fev was still on our hands, and I am no different. That, however, is not the argument here.

As for your 2nd statement, I'm not really sure how to respond without breaking out in fits of laughter. If Fevola had not stuffed up countless times at not 1 but 2 clubs, we would not have wanted him out. But the reality is that he DID stuff up, countless times at both Carlton and Brisbane. And that is precisely the reason why we won't be seeing him back in Navy Blue in 2012, and almost certainly not for any other club at AFL level.

So basically you're saying that had it not been for his countless acts of stupidity, he'd still be at the club and none of us would want him gone. Way to state the ****ing obvious - but that is not relevant in the slightest.

No club in 2012? Really?

Yes, really. No AFL club. And please don't cite the opinions of someone writing for the paper (the Herald Sun, no less) as some sort of evidence to the contrary.

Look closer at that article and you'll see there's no confirmation from any AFL club that suggests they will be looking at Fevola as an option in 2012. Rather there's just one author trying to sell bait to readers who read what they want to read - a hypothetical situation where a fantasy comes true. And you've quite clearly taken the bait.

You make out like he's the worst criminal in the AFL. Why not throw him in a river and see if he floats, then you can rest your mind whether he's a witch or not.

I'm not making him out to be the worst criminal in the AFL. I don't mind the notion of giving people a 2nd chance. However this wouldn't be his 2nd chance as the reality is he has had far more than that. At both Carlton and Brisbane.

Not going to happen. And as I said, for good reason.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Of course people have wondered how we would be going if Fev was still on our hands, and I am no different. That, however, is not the argument here.

As for your 2nd statement, I'm not really sure how to respond without breaking out in fits of laughter. If Fevola had not stuffed up countless times at not 1 but 2 clubs, we would not have wanted him out. But the reality is that he DID stuff up, countless times at both Carlton and Brisbane. And that is precisely the reason why we won't be seeing him back in Navy Blue in 2012, and almost certainly not for any other club at AFL level.

So basically you're saying that had it not been for his countless acts of stupidity, he'd still be at the club and none of us would want him gone. Way to state the ****ing obvious - but that is not relevant in the slightest.



Yes, really. No AFL club. And please don't cite the opinions of someone writing for the paper (the Herald Sun, no less) as some sort of evidence to the contrary.

Look closer at that article and you'll see there's no confirmation from any AFL club that suggests they will be looking at Fevola as an option in 2012. Rather there's just one author trying to sell bait to readers who read what they want to read - a hypothetical situation where a fantasy comes true. And you've quite clearly taken the bait.



I'm not making him out to be the worst criminal in the AFL. I don't mind the notion of giving people a 2nd chance. However this wouldn't be his 2nd chance as the reality is he has had far more than that. At both Carlton and Brisbane.

Not going to happen. And as I said, for good reason.

Sorry Jeremias but this does beg the question...should we take your word on this? Do you have all the information at hand...or do you simply have an opinion like the rest of us.

I agree with everyone that says he is a tool - he is. Plenty of sides win championships in many sports with tools in their side! Just manage them!

 

[HARKER]

I'd love to get involved, but been here, done that.


Nice to see Fev still finding a way to put a wedge between us here.

 

[mediumsizered]

I agree, but you're assuming that's how it would be all over again, that people are incapable of change. I think after all he's been through, he's a different player and person.

I don't think we have any proof that is the case. The way he presented himself when returning to the game this season indicated he possibly still thinks the game owes him a living.

From what I have seen in the Casey games that have been telecast on the ABC, he still picks & chooses when to apply defensive pressure & we should not get carried away by his 11 goal haul at the weekend (the opposition was not exactly high quality).

I think the suggestion that we bring back Fev is a knee-jerk reaction to a bit of bad luck with injuries to KPPs, but I suggest a Carlton team with Jamison at FB, a match fit Bower at CHB, a match fit Hendo at CHF & Waite at FF is capable of matching it with the Top 2 teams in the competition (heck, we would have beaten Geelong if Warnock had stayed down & allowed a teammate to take the kick for goal).

 

[Wickzki]

Fev is not capable of working alongside other tall forwards

Typically I very much respect (and generally agree with) much of what you say. However, this I find to be one of the biggest myths in football. I believe that Fev can play alongside another tall forwards. There is just a proviso on the type of tall that would work well with him. I believe that a mobile tall who gets around the ground would work extremely well with him. The problem that he had with both Lance Whitnall and then ultimately Jonathan Brown is that they both led into the same space as did Fevola. A mobile big such as Waite or Kreuzer would enable Fev to control his area while allowing Waite to play his roaming style game.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I'd love to get involved, but been here, done that.


Nice to see Fev still finding a way to put a wedge between us here.

Hehe...getting some thread airtime without committing, nice work Harker!

If he stays as fat as he is, he is no chance! Would have to show more.

Suggests Jeremias is right (bugger him) because if a club had given him a hint then you would think he would be fighting fit to prove his case.

I can stil lhope as we need a KPP from somewhere. If it dont happen, c'mon down someone else!

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Hehe...getting some thread airtime without committing, nice work Harker!

If he stays as fat as he is, he is no chance! Would have to show more.

Suggests Jeremias is right (bugger him) because if a club had given him a hint then you would think he would be fighting fit to prove his case.

I can stil lhope as we need a KPP from somewhere. If it dont happen, c'mon down someone else!

I suspect any club interested in Fev would be keeping very quiet about it and wait until the last minute before making a call.

 

[Jeremias]

Sorry Jeremias but this does beg the question...should we take your word on this? Do you have all the information at hand...or do you simply have an opinion like the rest of us.

I agree with everyone that says he is a tool - he is. Plenty of sides win championships in many sports with tools in their side! Just manage them!

Of course I have no inside word. However have you heard any club official, when quizzed on the matter, be supportive of their club giving Fevola yet another chance?

Each and every time someone has been asked, the response has been negative.

I wonder why.....

But you're right. The HUN has said that Fev would be a good fit at club X and club Y so they must be on to something there.

Give me a break.

You don't think Carlton or Brisbane tried to manage Fevola and his issues? Spare me.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Of course I have no inside word. However have you heard any club official, when quizzed on the matter, be supportive of their club giving Fevola yet another chance?

Each and every time someone has been asked, the response has been negative.

I wonder why.....

But you're right. The HUN has said that Fev would be a good fit at club X and club Y so they must be on to something there.

Give me a break.

You don't think Carlton or Brisbane tried to manage Fevola and his issues? Spare me.

Some good points there but i'd argue someone like you would have been arguing the same thing about cousins!

The discussion given our need doesnt need to invoke some of the responses on here. I'm sure they would have discussed it at club level...may have laughed - true...but it would have come up for discussion given our continual KPP plight..especially with injuries.

 

[Blue Bawls]

Of course people have wondered how we would be going if Fev was still on our hands, and I am no different. That, however, is not the argument here.

As for your 2nd statement, I'm not really sure how to respond without breaking out in fits of laughter. If Fevola had not stuffed up countless times at not 1 but 2 clubs, we would not have wanted him out. But the reality is that he DID stuff up, countless times at both Carlton and Brisbane. And that is precisely the reason why we won't be seeing him back in Navy Blue in 2012, and almost certainly not for any other club at AFL level.

So basically you're saying that had it not been for his countless acts of stupidity, he'd still be at the club and none of us would want him gone. Way to state the ****ing obvious - but that is not relevant in the slightest..

It's the whole point of your argument. You say he's messed up countless times (five, six?) and it's inconceivable to consider taking him back. I say he's learned a lesson and would be a considerable asset in both his ability and desire.

Yes, really. No AFL club. And please don't cite the opinions of someone writing for the paper (the Herald Sun, no less) as some sort of evidence to the contrary.

Look closer at that article and you'll see there's no confirmation from any AFL club that suggests they will be looking at Fevola as an option in 2012. Rather there's just one author trying to sell bait to readers who read what they want to read - a hypothetical situation where a fantasy comes true. And you've quite clearly taken the bait..

Demetriou said enough to suggest there was a possibility of him playing AFL in 2012, not the journalist. (Read closer. It's the stuff in the quote marks.) You're the one who has proferred an unsupported opinion stating there is no way he'll be picked up by another AFL club next year.

I'm not making him out to be the worst criminal in the AFL. I don't mind the notion of giving people a 2nd chance. However this wouldn't be his 2nd chance as the reality is he has had far more than that. At both Carlton and Brisbane.

Not going to happen. And as I said, for good reason.

You haven't given one.

 

[Silvagnis]

I agree, but you're assuming that's how it would be all over again, that people are incapable of change. I think after all he's been through, he's a different player and person.

How would you know if Fevola is a different player?

The topic belongs on our Facebook page where all the fatties who picketed Visy Park in their Dimmey's tracksuits can respond and drool on their keyboards.

Fevola won't be back at Carlton.

Our forwardline has been without Waite, Kreuzer and Henderson for a total of 30 games in 2011, yet we're still third for points scored.

We don't need Fevola.

 

[KOUTA 43]

Get over it.

He's gone. Thank God he isn't our problem anymore.

You want him back??? What a joke.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Of course I have no inside word. However have you heard any club official, when quizzed on the matter, be supportive of their club giving Fevola yet another chance?

"There's no way I would ever have gotten rid of (Brendan) Fevola," she says.

"That was a mistake. I mean, he's an extraordinary talent and when you've got a star, you can't apply the same rules. - Jeanne Pratt

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/life-after-richard/story-e6frf7jo-1225890005828

Currently he is a rehab outpatient on medication for alcoholism, with ongoing gambling problems/mental health issues, and people want to put him back in exactly the same environment.

I say no.

 

[Blue Bawls]

I don't think we have any proof that is the case. The way he presented himself when returning to the game this season indicated he possibly still thinks the game owes him a living.

From what I have seen in the Casey games that have been telecast on the ABC, he still picks & chooses when to apply defensive pressure & we should not get carried away by his 11 goal haul at the weekend (the opposition was not exactly high quality).

I think the suggestion that we bring back Fev is a knee-jerk reaction to a bit of bad luck with injuries to KPPs, but I suggest a Carlton team with Jamison at FB, a match fit Bower at CHB, a match fit Hendo at CHF & Waite at FF is capable of matching it with the Top 2 teams in the competition (heck, we would have beaten Geelong if Warnock had stayed down & allowed a teammate to take the kick for goal).

Actually no. It was after I saw how Barry Hall was allowed to go out of the game, which reminded me of Plugger. I'm thrilled our forward line has been able to perform so well, but I also think if he was given the chance, we could get a few very good years from Fev.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

How would you know if Fevola is a different player?

The topic belongs on our Facebook page where all the fatties who picketed Visy Park in their Dimmey's tracksuits can respond and drool on their keyboards.

Fevola won't be back at Carlton.

Our forwardline has been without Waite, Kreuzer and Henderson for a total of 30 games in 2011, yet we're still third for points scored.

We don't need Fevola.

Since Waite and Hendo have been moved or injured...we havent won a game

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Mediumsizered: knee-jerk reaction to a bit of bad luck with injuries to KPPs

bad luck with injuries...c'mon, our KPP stocks have been light on for 5+ years, and the ones we have had, have been injured almost every year...

How many times have we been without Bower
How mant times have we been without Waite
...Jamison
...Setanta

Even our rucks have been injured a lot:
Krueze
Warnock
Hampson

If ever there was a case to draft a mature age KPP backup it is now because of our window. We do have a serious chance!

 

[Jeremias]

It's the whole point of your argument. You say he's messed up countless times (five, six?) and it's inconceivable to consider taking him back. I say he's learned a lesson and would be a considerable asset in both his ability and desire.

How can you possibly say he's learned his lesson? There is absolutely nothing to say that is even remotely close to being the case.

The only thing we can go on in this case is past performance and attitudes. The fact that he stuffed up on multiple occassions at 2 separate clubs indicates that he just doesn't learn from his mistakes.

To say he's reformed and has learned his lesson is all well and good but given his history I'd be strongly inclined to believe in the exact opposite.

Demetriou said enough to suggest there was a possibility of him playing AFL in 2012, not the journalist. (Read closer. It's the stuff in the quote marks.) You're the one who has proferred an unsupported opinion stating there is no way he'll be picked up by another AFL club next year.

Demetriou can say all he likes but he would have no bearing on the decision of any club to recruit Fevola, outside of clearing it from the perspective of the league.

Demetriou has stated he would support Fevola's re-drafting but it is not up to him.

You haven't given one.

Read my posts again. I've said a number of times that he has not shown an ability to learn from his mistakes and has stuffed up multiple times at 2 clubs. I've also said he burned far too many bridges at the club for his return to be any more than a mere fairytale.

They are the 2 biggest reasons. I don't need to give any more.

 

[Blue Bawls]

How would you know if Fevola is a different player?

The topic belongs on our Facebook page where all the fatties who picketed Visy Park in their Dimmey's tracksuits can respond and drool on their keyboards.

Fevola won't be back at Carlton.

Our forwardline has been without Waite, Kreuzer and Henderson for a total of 30 games in 2011, yet we're still third for points scored.

We don't need Fevola.

How could all he's been through not change him?

But good to see this topic was worthy of a response from your esteemed self. Tissue for your keyboard?

I really fail to understand the vehemence the select few here display on what is an absolutely relevent topic. Fev is in the wilderness waiting for a lifeline. My argument is we could do a hell of a lot worse than give one of our former greats the chance to redeem himself. Why is that so hard to swallow?

 

[Beloved]

Because this hasn't been done to death.

He is our past, not our future. FFS, we've worked long and hard to adapt to him not being in the team - he will not be walking back in.

 

[Jeremias]

"There's no way I would ever have gotten rid of (Brendan) Fevola," she says.

"That was a mistake. I mean, he's an extraordinary talent and when you've got a star, you can't apply the same rules. - Jeanne Pratt

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/life-after-richard/story-e6frf7jo-1225890005828

Currently he is a rehab outpatient on medication for alcoholism, with ongoing gambling problems/mental health issues, and people want to put him back in exactly the same environment.

I say no.

I stand corrected, there's one.

But with all due respect to Jeanne, and I have extremely close personal connections to her & Richard that span over more than 5 decades so I will not expand on this point due to sensitivities, her knowledge of the game is limited.

As for your opinion on the matter, I couldn't agree more.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

How could all he's been through not change him?

But good to see this topic was worthy of a response from your esteemed self. Tissue for your keyboard?

I really fail to understand the vehemence the select few here display on what is an absolutely relevent topic. Fev is in the wilderness waiting for a lifeline. My argument is we could do a hell of a lot worse than give one of our former greats the chance to redeem himself. Why is that so hard to swallow?

I think they closed their mind for good when he went. Sort of for good reason as he was a twat. They have said such strong words that they cant now even think of having him back.

Personally, I'm more open minded...guy is a tool but can potentially do a job for us...we have other tools in our side...walker and Betts to name two. Thornton is a tool of another character type!

Tools are everywhere...we need to pick them up, and manage them. Especially if they came FREE! Free as in the last pick!

 

[blue gunslinger]

who????????????????????
big diff between kicking a bag at vfl and being a professional afl footballer

 

[Malifice]

Im a bit of a sentimental old fool, but if he keeps his nose clean for the rest of the year, keeps going the way he's going, accepts strict conditions in his contract, costs us nothing draft picks wise, and (importantly) the players are happy with having him back, then... Yes.

 

[Dramoth]

That is not really a strong argument Dram...think JB knocked out by his own teammate clark...does that mean Clark cant play with anyone in the fwdline.

It's up to the club to come up with a plan...think if he had of gone to the Pies and worked with Buckley in the fwd line...do you think for a second they would have had a one dimensional fwd line...no...so why do we underrate Carlton's coaching panel? It's their job to find a way!

Actually... Setanta had the sit, and Fev came in and ****ed it all up for him smashed him and I think that the opposition ran the ball out of defence and scored.

Fev isnt a team player... another example... he gets dragged because he isnt playing well... instead of using the time to pull himself together, what does he do? takes off his boots, throws them down in a fit of petulance and sits down and takes no further part in the match.

If I remember he got dropped for a week for that. If it had been me as his coach, he would have been in the Ants until he showed he could be a team player. But because he was Pagan's golden boy, he got the wet lettuce treatment... and even then only because the board got involved.

 

[Blue Bawls]

"There's no way I would ever have gotten rid of (Brendan) Fevola," she says.

"That was a mistake. I mean, he's an extraordinary talent and when you've got a star, you can't apply the same rules. - Jeanne Pratt

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/life-after-richard/story-e6frf7jo-1225890005828

Currently he is a rehab outpatient on medication for alcoholism, with ongoing gambling problems/mental health issues, and people want to put him back in exactly the same environment.

I say no.

Glad to see he's working so hard on rehabilitation. Had he given up, I guess he wouldn't.

He would come back to an entirely different environment. The club is much different to the one he left - it's considerably better. He used to be a big fish in that pond, but he would not come back that way.

And for the record, I also agreed he had to go when he did. I wasn't pleased about it, but he'd gone way too far. Water under the bridge now.