Bring back Schultz soon

[Madtiger2006]

In the first 8 rounds, Schultz only had 1 quiet game against Adelaide and was injured early against Geelong. But in every other game he looked good and averaged about 2 goals and 10 possessions. He only played 1 quiet game and was dropped. He has alot of talent and should be playing and it's a joke that Kingsley is in the team. Schultz won't get 20 possessions while Richo is more of a focal point, but he is very handy and very important to the team. He's been averaging 2 goals a game for over 2 years now. Surely there's room for Schultz, Hughes and Richo in the team. Schultz needs to work on his second efforts, but he's too good to be wasted at Coburg

 

[lids2004roar]

Schulz's best is so good to watch but all his life he has faded in and out of games. We know we can put him in and he'll average 2 a game, but I think atm we are trying to teach him what it feels like to dominate an entire game, and he can only get this feeling at Coburg.

He could still be a gun but if it doesn't hapen next year (and a little bit this year) then it's never going to happen.

 

[santa claws]

schulz has done very little in 5 yrs. wouldnt be averaging 5 possesions and would be very surprised if hes averaging over 2 goals a game this yr.
once again the blame richo excuse is reeled out for his non performances. and as bad as kingsley has been he has out performed schulz.

instead of bringing in schulz leave him at coburg and make him earn his spot. far better to replace kingsley with riewoldt or when simmo is back play richo ff pattison chf and hughes fp or any combination of these.

 

[FlyingTiger]

schulz has done very little in 5 yrs. wouldnt be averaging 5 possesions and would be very surprised if hes averaging over 2 goals a game this yr.
once again the blame richo excuse is reeled out for his non performances. and as bad as kingsley has been he has out performed schulz.

instead of bringing in schulz leave him at coburg and make him earn his spot. far better to replace kingsley with riewoldt or when simmo is back play richo ff pattison chf and hughes fp or any combination of these.

Santa makes sense.

(Can't believe I just said that. )

 

[Goldust]

Santa makes perfect sense.

Zero logic to most posters in suggesting Schulz over Kingsley.

That is, because we hate Kingsley, but Schulz is a Tiger original and for whatever reason one of our golden boys.

I would much prefer to have Schulz in the team BECAUSE HE SIMPLY OUTSHONE Kingsley. But that ain't happening.

Say what you will about KK, he straightens us up and presents himself at contests on more than three occasions a game, which is what we were getting from Schulz.

I don't buy the "two goals a game" from Schulz this year theory. Was ineffectual in most and needs to go back to Coburg and prove that he is a better option than Kingsley or Hughes or whoever it may be.

Not Kingsley out because we don't like him!!!

Same ol' tired argument as Tivendale.

Get rid of him for Casserley, Connors, Oakley-Nicholls, who whoever is flavour of the month this week because we like them better than Tiv!!!

 

[IDGAF]

but in every other game he looked good and averaged about 2 goals and 10 possessions.

sorry MT , that is a quite game when you are a keyforward .

It is also about what you do when you "DONT" have the ball

Yes ... should be playing back in the ones , but purely for trade value only , hang on ... on second thoughts , leave him at Coburg . That way his ordinariness won`t gain as much exposure .

 

[Madtiger2006]

sorry MT , that is a quite game when you are a keyforward .

It is also about what you do when you "DONT" have the ball

Yes ... should be playing back in the ones , but purely for trade value only , hang on ... on second thoughts , leave him at Coburg . That way his ordinariness won`t gain as much exposure .

So why is Kingsley in the team? Doesn't kick goals, doesn't even go in. Btw, what is a quite game?

 

[Rayzorwire]

It's hilarious to see that some people are even willing to promote the virtues of Kan't Kick Kingsley just to back up their past assertions about Schulz.

Kingsley is averaging 10 possessions a game, getting most of them outside the 50 running around by himself getting in the onballer's way, slowing transition to the forward line - and letting his opponent run around by himself.

Schulz is averaging 7 possessions, his opponents actually mark him (because unlike Kingsley, he can hurt you on the scoreboard) and you seldom see him more than 60m from goal chasing kicks in pointless places.

Kingsley's goal record would read zero from 6 shots if he hadn't been given two, instead it reads:

0,1,1 - an average of 0.7

Schulz's reads:

2,2,3,2,0,0,2,0,1 - an average of 1.3

Schulz kicked none in the WCE match - had four gettable shots for no goals and had supposedly the best FB in the league moved off him because he was flogging him. His other misses were the Geelong game (helps when the ball comes to the forward line occasionally) and the Adelaide game.

The most tackles Kingsley has had in a game is 1. Schulz has had 3.

Kingsley has no frees for, and is averaging 1.3 against per game (pushes in the back which give the opposition a free takeaway)

Schulz is averaging 0.6 in each.

How could anyone seriously suggest that a 29yo has-been HFF who can't kick 40m, is slow as a wet week, couldn't pressure a three legged chihuahua, couldn't take a contested mark against Eddy Betts and has only scored because he has a habit of lurking in the goalsquare by himself, should get a game ahead of Schulz because he's averaging three more useless possessions a game - 90m from goal while his unmarked opponent is racking up possessions at will and double teaming our other forwards?

Big deal, he's also had 3-4 goal assists (two of them shanked accidents) because he's unwilling to make it all too obvious he can't kick over 35m.

If that sort of crap was so important we could resurrect Houlihan from retirement and play him until he's 50. 10 possessions a game...wasting 20 secs stopping and chipping 20m to a player on his own each mark he gets all by himself.

There's no doubt Schulz needs to improve, but unfavourable comparisons with Kingsley are just ridiculous.

 

[crashandbashruckmen]

It's hilarious to see that some people are even willing to promote the virtues of Kan't Kick Kingsley just to back up their past assertions about Schulz.

Kingsley is averaging 10 possessions a game, getting most of them outside the 50 running around by himself getting in the onballer's way, slowing transition to the forward line - and letting his opponent run around by himself.

Schulz is averaging 7 possessions, his opponents actually mark him (because unlike Kingsley, he can hurt you on the scoreboard) and you seldom see him more than 60m from goal chasing kicks in pointless places.

Kingsley's goal record would read zero from 6 shots if he hadn't been given two, instead it reads:

0,1,1 - an average of 0.7

Schulz's reads:

2,2,3,2,0,0,2,0,1 - an average of 1.3

Schulz kicked none in the WCE match - had four gettable shots for no goals and had supposedly the best FB in the league moved off him because he was flogging him. His other misses were the Geelong game (helps when the ball comes to the forward line occasionally) and the Adelaide game.

The most tackles Kingsley has had in a game is 1. Schulz has had 3.

Kingsley has no frees for, and is averaging 1.3 against per game (pushes in the back which give the opposition a free takeaway)

Schulz is averaging 0.6 in each.

How could anyone seriously suggest that a 29yo has-been HFF who can't kick 40m, is slow as a wet week, couldn't pressure a three legged chihuahua, couldn't take a contested mark against Eddy Betts and has only scored because he has a habit of lurking in the goalsquare by himself, should get a game ahead of Schulz because he's averaging three more useless possessions a game - 90m from goal while his unmarked opponent is racking up possessions at will and double teaming our other forwards?

Big deal, he's also had 3-4 goal assists (two of them shanked accidents) because he's unwilling to make it all too obvious he can't kick over 35m.

If that sort of crap was so important we could resurrect Houlihan from retirement and play him until he's 50. 10 possessions a game...wasting 20 secs stopping and chipping 20m to a player on his own each mark he gets all by himself.

There's no doubt Schulz needs to improve, but unfavourable comparisons with Kingsley are just ridiculous.

schulz is almost gawn.

 

[Madtiger2006]

It's hilarious to see that some people are even willing to promote the virtues of Kan't Kick Kingsley just to back up their past assertions about Schulz.

Kingsley is averaging 10 possessions a game, getting most of them outside the 50 running around by himself getting in the onballer's way, slowing transition to the forward line - and letting his opponent run around by himself.

Schulz is averaging 7 possessions, his opponents actually mark him (because unlike Kingsley, he can hurt you on the scoreboard) and you seldom see him more than 60m from goal chasing kicks in pointless places.

Kingsley's goal record would read zero from 6 shots if he hadn't been given two, instead it reads:

0,1,1 - an average of 0.7

Schulz's reads:

2,2,3,2,0,0,2,0,1 - an average of 1.3

Schulz kicked none in the WCE match - had four gettable shots for no goals and had supposedly the best FB in the league moved off him because he was flogging him. His other misses were the Geelong game (helps when the ball comes to the forward line occasionally) and the Adelaide game.

The most tackles Kingsley has had in a game is 1. Schulz has had 3.

Kingsley has no frees for, and is averaging 1.3 against per game (pushes in the back which give the opposition a free takeaway)

Schulz is averaging 0.6 in each.

How could anyone seriously suggest that a 29yo has-been HFF who can't kick 40m, is slow as a wet week, couldn't pressure a three legged chihuahua, couldn't take a contested mark against Eddy Betts and has only scored because he has a habit of lurking in the goalsquare by himself, should get a game ahead of Schulz because he's averaging three more useless possessions a game - 90m from goal while his unmarked opponent is racking up possessions at will and double teaming our other forwards?

Big deal, he's also had 3-4 goal assists (two of them shanked accidents) because he's unwilling to make it all too obvious he can't kick over 35m.

If that sort of crap was so important we could resurrect Houlihan from retirement and play him until he's 50. 10 possessions a game...wasting 20 secs stopping and chipping 20m to a player on his own each mark he gets all by himself.

There's no doubt Schulz needs to improve, but unfavourable comparisons with Kingsley are just ridiculous.

People forget that Scultz has been injured for almost 2 seasons during his career so far. By dropping him after the Crows game, it has just halted his progression and further improvement. With more experience, he should be able to kick 3-4 goals a game. As for the Geelong game, he only played a few minutes and got injured

 

[lids2004roar]

I hope he becomes one of those late developing KPFs.

Barry Hall, Fraser Gherig and Brendan Fevola are examples, and even Cam Mooney is proving to be a gun now and stepping up a level.

 

[Ah Cheung]

I agree that Schultz hasn't done much this year especially when we expected more. However at least he can kick over 40m and he can still improve.
Theres no improvement left in Kingsley. Just taking space for a hughes or schultz..

 

[Goldust]

It's hilarious to see that some people are even willing to promote the virtues of Kan't Kick Kingsley just to back up their past assertions about Schulz.

Kingsley is averaging 10 possessions a game, getting most of them outside the 50 running around by himself getting in the onballer's way, slowing transition to the forward line - and letting his opponent run around by himself.

Schulz is averaging 7 possessions, his opponents actually mark him (because unlike Kingsley, he can hurt you on the scoreboard) and you seldom see him more than 60m from goal chasing kicks in pointless places.

Kingsley's goal record would read zero from 6 shots if he hadn't been given two, instead it reads:

0,1,1 - an average of 0.7

Schulz's reads:

2,2,3,2,0,0,2,0,1 - an average of 1.3

Schulz kicked none in the WCE match - had four gettable shots for no goals and had supposedly the best FB in the league moved off him because he was flogging him. His other misses were the Geelong game (helps when the ball comes to the forward line occasionally) and the Adelaide game.

The most tackles Kingsley has had in a game is 1. Schulz has had 3.

Kingsley has no frees for, and is averaging 1.3 against per game (pushes in the back which give the opposition a free takeaway)

Schulz is averaging 0.6 in each.

How could anyone seriously suggest that a 29yo has-been HFF who can't kick 40m, is slow as a wet week, couldn't pressure a three legged chihuahua, couldn't take a contested mark against Eddy Betts and has only scored because he has a habit of lurking in the goalsquare by himself, should get a game ahead of Schulz because he's averaging three more useless possessions a game - 90m from goal while his unmarked opponent is racking up possessions at will and double teaming our other forwards?

Big deal, he's also had 3-4 goal assists (two of them shanked accidents) because he's unwilling to make it all too obvious he can't kick over 35m.

If that sort of crap was so important we could resurrect Houlihan from retirement and play him until he's 50. 10 possessions a game...wasting 20 secs stopping and chipping 20m to a player on his own each mark he gets all by himself.

There's no doubt Schulz needs to improve, but unfavourable comparisons with Kingsley are just ridiculous.

HERE'S the thing. Started okay...but 0, 0, 2, 0, 1 in his last five games is not getting the job done. Three goals in five games is 0.6 goals per game.

And agree, there is no comparison with Kingsley as Kingsley ain't playing key position...Schulz has been.

I can see your argument....I don't think playing a 28 year old with little or no upside does anything for us, but I still think on present form he is a better bet. I'm all for Schulz PROVING he is the better option, but until he does, I'm not in to giving someone who is lazy and non-performing agame for the sake of giving him a game.

About sums us up for the past 25 years at Tigerland, too many guys given games for the sake of handing out jumpers. Good to see some hard calls finally being made.

Yes Schulz has potential, but at this point in time, potential has translated in to 30 odd games of virtually nothing, other than one six goal haul against the Lions back four years ago!

 

[deliberate!!]

In the first 8 rounds, Schultz only had 1 quiet game against Adelaide and was injured early against Geelong. But in every other game he looked good and averaged about 2 goals and 10 possessions. He only played 1 quiet game and was dropped. He has alot of talent and should be playing and it's a joke that Kingsley is in the team. Schultz won't get 20 possessions while Richo is more of a focal point, but he is very handy and very important to the team. He's been averaging 2 goals a game for over 2 years now. Surely there's room for Schultz, Hughes and Richo in the team. Schultz needs to work on his second efforts, but he's too good to be wasted at Coburg

Schmultz is Sh*t. Had enough chances. End of story.
MT, it's not about giving a poor guy more chances, it's about who serves the RFC best interests.........certainly not Scmultz.
Let's move on from this dud.
Next....

 

[RichosGuns]

I'd prefer to bring back Brown or Simmonds for Kingsley rather then Scultz. Schultz needs sometime back at Coburg. If he plays again this week for Coburg thats 3 weeks in a row, he then should be considered to be bought back

 

[deliberate!!]

I'd prefer to bring back Brown or Simmonds for Kingsley rather then Scultz. Schultz needs sometime back at Coburg. If he plays again this week for Coburg thats 3 weeks in a row, he then should be considered to be bought back

We seriously need to re-evaluate how you get a kick at the RFC.

If you perform well in the 2's and haven't been tested in the Seniors
you should eventually get a crack at the Senior Side.

If you fail in the Seniors over and over, playing well in the 2's shouldn't be
an expected pass back up to the Seniors. Why should a player who fails at
Senior level ever be let back in because he dominates in a weaker level?
(This has not taken into account the tested, successful senior player who,
for whatever reason, needs a run back at a weaker level.....the 2's)

The final judgment call on a player should be made on his effect on the highest level he strives for,
not his dominance of a weaker field of endeavour.

We can't afford to keep or pay players who go up and down like yo-yos,
destabilizing our Senior squad and wasting our time.

 

[Truetiger]

He is a waste of space. He found it hard to get a kick with Coburg yesturday let alone Richmond. He is not apart of the future and has done very little in the time at the club.

 

[tigerdan]

Look every team will have 2-3 players that are carried on the list for insurance. Given that we are up shit creek with talls, getting rid of him makes no sense. I'd rather we had Schulz for insurance next year than Kingsley.

 

[_RT_]

Schulz should not return until he has 5+ weeks averaging 4-5 goals & 12-15 possies a game at Coburg level. If he can't grab VFL games by the scruff of the neck and dominate then what hope does he have when he gets to AFL level.

 

[RichosGuns]

He is contracted until the end of next year so he won't be delisted at the end of the year (they won't pay off his contract). Therefore unless he is traded, which is a growing possibility, here will be here next year

 

[Roachy8]

We seriously need to re-evaluate how you get a kick at the RFC.

If you perform well in the 2's and haven't been tested in the Seniors
you should eventually get a crack at the Senior Side.

If you fail in the Seniors over and over, playing well in the 2's shouldn't be
an expected pass back up to the Seniors. Why should a player who fails at
Senior level ever be let back in because he dominates in a weaker level?
(This has not taken into account the tested, successful senior player who,
for whatever reason, needs a run back at a weaker level.....the 2's)

The final judgment call on a player should be made on his effect on the highest level he strives for,
not his dominance of a weaker field of endeavour.

We can't afford to keep or pay players who go up and down like yo-yos,
destabilizing our Senior squad and wasting our time.

I like this post.
The constant in's & outs does 2 things:
Gives the player little chance to settle & show his best... especially if he gets brought in for a stinker like versus Geelong
Also, the rest of the team has to constantly get used to a different structure.
This smacks of "knee-jerk" selection reaction, - to flail away with the list to try & find a winning formula.

 

[Maquis de Saad]

Built like tarzan, plays like jane. Had high hopes but has been dismal.

 

[Goldust]

Facts are facts.....we are the bottom side, lacking talls and for all intents and purposes struggling to score.

The only reason Jay Schulz isn't getting a game is Jay Schulz.

He could help in all aspects, but doesn't seem urgent enough to try and help.

 

[Wally Matera]

Schulz is easily the most frustrating player on our list. He came with such big wraps because of his MVP award in the International rules squad (i think?!?!) and has shown absolutely nothing to suggest he will be anything special whatsoever.

For the first 4 years, l continually used the excuse "big blokes take longer to develop and hence cant dominate games early on" to support persevering with him. But times up... he now gives me no more confidence than a Shane Morrison. Big frame, big pansy.

When you are a key forward - which he is - 2 goals a game is rubbish. Look at what Franklin, Hawkins, Edwards, Westhoff, Roughhead, etc, etc have been able to do as different stages of this year. They are all big blokes who were drafted early (like Schulz), have had less time in the system and their best game has already been more valuable than any of Schulz's finest.

The excuse that Schulz needs more time is bullshit. The assumption that 2 goals a game is adequate is bullshit. The theory that his performance in the reserves over the past 5 years warrants him more AFL time is bullshit.

ps. I dont subscribe to the theory that Kingsley should be playing in front of him though. They can both play in the ressies.

 

[bluesfan]

As much as I respect Terry Wallace for his coaching ability, I believe that he has made some costly mistakes in his time at Tigerland. Drafting Mark Graham and Kent Kingsley have been mistakes that Plough shouldn't have made. I would much rather have used those picks on youngsters that will be apart of Richmond's future. Another thing, Plough should be giving his youngsters more opportunities other than one game - i.e. Jack Riewoldt, Danny Meyer.
And on the subject of drafting Tambling over Franklin, I think that it's not a total disaster. Franklin, as a key position player, may finish his career at 29 or 30 while Tambling may finish post-30 as he is a running midfield/HF type.

And on Schulz, I would have him in the side over Kingsley. Schulz is a tall type who can mark, can kick straight on most occasions and his versatile as he can play down back and in the ruck if need be.