Brisbane priority pick

[Books]

Anyone saying the Lions issues are all off-field obviously has not looked at the AFL ladder.

The Lions have multiple issues, on and off field. Some are their own fault, others were caused by the AFL taking away their player-retention allowance and setting up a rival club just down the road.

On field success will help with the off-field problems.

Essendon will finish last this year. Is there one single person in the whole world who thinks the Lions will have a better list than Essendon will next year? Of course not.

Without help, the Lions will continue to languish at the bottom of the ladder and players will continue to go "home" or chase success somewhere else.

So I am in favour of Brisbane being given pick #1 as a meaningful step to helping them solve some of their issues.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I don't disagree with this.

But I do feel the AFL has allowed them to be strip mined by other clubs - and that's certainly something the Lions should be addressing internally, but the AFL needs to acknowledge their role in where the club is currently at. The AFL has dropped the ball on Brisbane.

Agree wholeheartedly. I just don't think a priority pick is going to do enough for them to justify it.

 

[cdcanman]

I don't disagree with this.

But I do feel the AFL has allowed them to be strip mined by other clubs - and that's certainly something the Lions should be addressing internally, but the AFL needs to acknowledge their role in where the club is currently at. The AFL has dropped the ball on Brisbane.

How could the AFL have stopped this? It's not up to them to intervene at the trade table. How could they even if they wanted to?

Have the AFL dropped the ball in other ways with Brisbane? I don't think it is too much to expect that a professional football club is going to be run competently by those in charge. But should the AFL have seen the writing on the wall and intervened sooner? Probably

 

[The 747]

That clubs had a vote on allowing a shitty list concession to a club and gave a resounding no, so why would they say yes to an excellent one that would actually cost them something.

They voted against your list concession because you traded for him in the knowledge he could be banned.

 

[Dr Whoooooooo]

Anyone saying the Lions issues are all off-field obviously has not looked at the AFL ladder.

The Lions have multiple issues, on and off field. Some are their own fault, others were caused by the AFL taking away their player-retention allowance and setting up a rival club just down the road.

On field success will help with the off-field problems.

Essendon will finish last this year. Is there one single person in the whole world who thinks the Lions will have a better list than Essendon will next year? Of course not.

Without help, the Lions will continue to languish at the bottom of the ladder and players will continue to go "home" or chase success somewhere else.

So I am in favour of Brisbane being given pick #1 as a meaningful step to helping them solve some of their issues.

^^^ This ... is why I voted Yes, But I do think its critical to get your off-field issues right first.

IMHO - Poor off-field perfornace gurantees poor on-field performance, quality off-field performance only assists on-field performance no 100% garantee of success.

 

[Theo X]

They simply cannot get one after we were denied in 2013. We were infinitely worse on field, and all the reasons that were given for denying the application can be applied when doing the same to Brissie. Their president was also the most vocal against a PP back then, so it would be hugely hypocritical for them to ask for one now.
By all means give them help with their staffing/structure.

 

[Kingofthehill]

I like the idea of keeping the top ten picks for the those that miss the eight intact.

Split the first round in half -
1st round non finalists 1-10
1st round finalists 11-18
Then at pick 11 have a potential priority pick and any round 1 FA compensation.
It makes a bigger deal of the top 10 and doesn't shift other struggling teams back with compensation picks

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Agree wholeheartedly. I just don't think a priority pick is going to do enough for them to justify it.

So, is your argument that if a measure isn't enough to help,it shouldn't be considered at all? OK, then the first 5 picks in the draft and a 100-game player from each club.

Seriously, we have many problems. Some have been addressed, some are being addressed and some have yet to be addressed.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

So, is your argument that if a measure isn't enough to help,it shouldn't be considered at all? OK, then the first 5 picks in the draft and a 100-game player from each club.

Seriously, we have many problems. Some have been addressed, some are being addressed and some have yet to be addressed.

No, my argument is that I think your "lack of talent" is an insufficient reason to be awarded a priority pick. I think as soon as other issues are addressed (which the AFL needs to help with) you will begin to improve naturally.

 

[Colonial]

They simply cannot get one after we were denied in 2013. We were infinitely worse on field, and all the reasons that were given for denying the application can be applied when doing the same to Brissie. Their president was also the most vocal against a PP back then, so it would be hugely hypocritical for them to ask for one now.
By all means give them help with their staffing/structure.

You got your debt paid off and got the most expensive coach on the market paid for yes?
Edit. Didnt you also get fined for "non tanking"?

 

[jjami15]

They simply cannot get one after we were denied in 2013. We were infinitely worse on field, and all the reasons that were given for denying the application can be applied when doing the same to Brissie. Their president was also the most vocal against a PP back then, so it would be hugely hypocritical for them to ask for one now.
By all means give them help with their staffing/structure.

I think that there was a little bit more to why Melbourne wasn't given one if I remember correctly there was some fines for certain personnel that were at your club for things that had happened which would have been a large reason as to the No.

 

[Mego Red]

Most of the footy industry wouldn't even support Port being allowed to pick up a state league ruck after Ryder was suspended, why would anyone imagine they'd support a Brisbane priority pick?

Why should Port be able to? They were so confident they went into the season one short. They had ample opportunities to cover the players the traded for while still under a drug cloud. Just put a ruckman on your rookie list, ffs.

The only reason Essendon were allowed to is because they couldn't field a team. It's not a precedent that clubs that lose players who are drug cheats can acquire other players outside the draft process.

 

[Mego Red]

How could the AFL have stopped this? It's not up to them to intervene at the trade table. How could they even if they wanted to?

Have the AFL dropped the ball in other ways with Brisbane? I don't think it is too much to expect that a professional football club is going to be run competently by those in charge. But should the AFL have seen the writing on the wall and intervened sooner? Probably

Player retention funds and a properly resourced football department are two obvious things the AFL should have done.

It was obvious what was happening at Brisbane but the AFL were fixated on other things.

 

[dlanod]

How could the AFL have stopped this? It's not up to them to intervene at the trade table. How could they even if they wanted to?

Have the AFL dropped the ball in other ways with Brisbane? I don't think it is too much to expect that a professional football club is going to be run competently by those in charge. But should the AFL have seen the writing on the wall and intervened sooner? Probably

AFL could have stopped it by chipping in so that Brisbane, off field, is up to standard by working on improved facilities and enabling a more complete off-field staff. This is finally coming. Players are less likely to leave if the club is up to snuff and ultimately we haven't been for plenty of years thanks to some horrible management off-field after the premierships. Definitely on Brisbane's head though.

 

[Turbocat]

I dislike Priority Picks as a method to "Help" sides... a side that is so rubbish that needs talent..so lets give them an 18 year old? What will happen in 12 months time? How much has Schache helped this year?

It should be more complicated than that and something that is more sustainable. The draft needs change...whether its something like King has proposed or a variation that.. its should be something that favours clubs that have not been in the finals for a period of time. This needs to be done and has little to do with Brisbane's immediate issues. The likes of Melb have not been in the finals for some time as well

So do that , plus they get access to the Academy kids.. do need a special extra pick? If so.. perhaps if there is a need give them one player from their academy to pre-list so no need to draft. Allow that for 5 years and then reassess. Long term they should have to conform to the same system as the other academy clubs. Again that would give them extra incentive to develop.

Id also consider allowing more players on a Rookie list , allowing them to develop some talent themselves ...if the comp up there is not good enough come up with a way they can shuffle talent to other comps till it is good enough.

Gold Coast and Brisbane should have the best off field facilities in the comp... you send soldiers of into indian country with stuff from the Boar War..
because if you don't improve development then it just a cyclical up and down thing.. there would be plenty from traditional clubs that enough is enough.

 

[dlanod]

They simply cannot get one after we were denied in 2013. We were infinitely worse on field, and all the reasons that were given for denying the application can be applied when doing the same to Brissie. Their president was also the most vocal against a PP back then, so it would be hugely hypocritical for them to ask for one now.
By all means give them help with their staffing/structure.

Part of the reason given for declining Melbourne was the existing talent. In 2013 Melbourne had 14 top 20 picks on their list. In 2016 Brisbane has less than half that, with six. That's an imbalance that a priority pick would address.

 

[dlanod]

So do that , plus they get assess to the Academy kids.. do need a special extra pick? If so.. perhaps if there is a need give them one player from their academy to pre-list so no need to draft. Allow that for 5 years and then reassess. Long term they should have to conform to the same system as the other academy clubs. Again that would give them extra incentive to develop.

Creative thinking. I like it (would have to be evaluated on a per year basis, i.e. if Brisbane start improving it stops) but I'm sure there'd be uproar about that too.

 

[Turbocat]

Creative thinking. I like it (would have to be evaluated on a per year basis, i.e. if Brisbane start improving it stops) but I'm sure there'd be uproar about that too.

As I said .. 5 years... Make it clear its for 5 years and it will be reassessed. A lot of the GWS heart burn is because their is concern of a bottomless pit .. or a endless stream. Heard Lynch say on SEN before that Bris is at least 5 years away..so 5 years would be a fair start to my thinking.

Just a PP? Who do they pick? Probably a kid from Vic and how long before the home pressure comes again.

 

[peppy la pew]

You got your debt paid off and got the most expensive coach on the market paid for yes?
Edit. Didnt you also get fined for "non tanking"?

So what, they didn't receive a priority pick which is what this thread is about.

AFL house are looking into Brissie's problems and will no doubt offer monetary assistance

 

[TradeDraft]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why should Incompetence be Awarded?

Makes a Joke of trying to keep the AFL Level

 

[LeverPuller]

No. Melbourne-style intervention.

 

[dmac_55]

No. Melbourne-style intervention.

So we can let one of our free agents walk and receive a very generous compensation pick in return? I'm down for that!

 

[LeverPuller]

So we can let one of our free agents walk and receive a very generous compensation pick in return? I'm down for that!

Well right now your 2016 season still is not as bad as Melbourne 2013. So there's that factor too.

 

[TradeDraft]

So we can let one of our free agents walk and receive a very generous compensation pick in return? I'm down for that!

They been walking anyway

 

[The Flying Belgian]

No, my argument is that I think your "lack of talent" is an insufficient reason to be awarded a priority pick. I think as soon as other issues are addressed (which the AFL needs to help with) you will begin to improve naturally.

I dunno, under the old scheme our results over the last 2 years would have been ground alone. Paired with the retention problems we've faced, I think there's grounds.

TBH, I'm split on whether we need one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to riot if we do!