Brisbane priority pick

[Lach72]

From a purely selfish point of view they can get ****ed.

We've gone through the expansion where teams near the top, got screwed and pushed far back on the list.

We don't have many top draft picks that we actually picked in the draft on our list, and two of the few on that list won't be there next year (Pav and Morabito).

You'll forgive me if I don't cry a river of tears for a team that's won three premierships and played in another grand final while we've been in the comp.

We've had 3 top ten picks in the last 10 years and will have only one left on the list from this period.
(Stephen Hill)

I'm going to be pissed if Brisbane get academy picks last year to take Hipwood with two nothing picks while we're screaming out for talls, plus an extra pick before ours this year that lessens the chance of getting the player we want.

 

[Great8]

Why are premierships the metric to rule them all?

Because at the end of the day it's all that matters

 

[Farm Boy]

They deserve one, and will probably get one. But, they shouldn't get one. Melbourne also deserved a PP, and were in a far worse a position. The AFL knocked them back. If the AFL now come out and give Brisbane a PP, when they overlooked Melbourne, it will be seen as playing favorites. This really would highlight what a very bad job Gil is doing. A system where you allocate PP's out based on personal preference - that is not a well run system. Time Gil went I think, he isn't doing a very good job as it is.

 

[ALX22]

I believe we don't need it. What we need is better facilities, a new captain and a new coach.

 

[BRAB]

If I'm correct, Brisbane have ten locals on their main list, and port have fifteen

Bris will add Allison, rolls and Watson this off season , taking them to 13 locals. Port will likely lose Schulz , colquhoon , p. Stewert and monfries is 50/50.


If the go home factor was the devil it was cried out to be Brisbane will have more locals next year than port did during its time when it held onto the majority of its interstate players and Brisbane were crying foul over the kids leaving.

The next two years bris will eclipse those numbers with even more locals on its list, and will have more locals on their list than port or crows ever have had.


If you want sympathy from me for how shit things are going up there you're not going to get it from me. Not while asking for extra draft picks when you have this great academy which is doing great things for you up there and the problems at the club that need addressing aren't anything to do with any one single gun player.

I never asked for your sympathy mate. It's a good point on the % of locals on the South Australian lists. Really good point, didn't realise how low you guys were actually, so thanks for letting me know!

Here's a full graph of that stat actually, really interesting.


As you can see, Adelaide and Brisbane are really close. With Port only about 10% away from us.

Problem is though you didn't address the other parameters I mentioned. Let's look at how many players South Australia produce.




Think that graph says it all really. So until we start seeing a reversal in that stat, and until we see South Australia turn into a League state, I can't really see how you can make a case for SA getting an academy. Haha.

I'd also point out I'm not actually asking for a priority pick, which if you read the rest of the thread, you might have noticed. I agree that there's other problems to be addressed and that a priority pick is basically superfluous. Just thought it was weird that you could compare Port to Brisbane is all.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Why are premierships the metric to rule them all?

seriously?

 

[philthy05]

Problem is though you didn't address the other parameters I mentioned. Let's look at how many players South Australia produce.


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Think that graph says it all really. So until we start seeing a reversal in that stat, and until we see South Australia turn into a League state, I can't really see how you can make a case for SA getting an academy. Haha.
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The number of players produced by south Australia means nothing to port.

It helps the afl , but does it help port?

We have no special access to them.

And if you want to make a list of the best south Australian players in the last ten years, Pavlich , Cooney , griffin , hurn , Enright , you'll see they all get drafted interstate and stay there. Wingard is the exception not the norm.


The only relevant statitistic is number of hometown players on a team list as it can be easier to hold onto them.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

seriously?

In terms of priority pick, sure. Draft assistance is about helping with the competitiveness of a team, not about helping it to win a flag. If people want to start talking about mean ladder positions or finals over a period of time I'll start to listen abut more.

 

[Schraderbrau]

In terms of priority pick, sure. Draft assistance is about helping with the competitiveness of a team, not about helping it to win a flag. If people want to start talking about mean ladder positions or finals over a period of time I'll start to listen abut more.

fair enough

 

[dlanod]

How many first round picks did they trade away?

Funnily enough I thought the guy was comparing the 2013 Demons to the 2016 Lions in his post. Probably because he was.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Funnily enough I thought the guy was comparing the 2013 Demons to the 2016 Lions in his post. Probably because he was.

It's a strange thing really. I've asked that question many times to Brisbane fans after they make statements like you just did.

Not one has replied with an answer.

Gee, i wonder why

 

[dlanod]

It's a strange thing really. I've asked that question many times to Brisbane fans after they make statements like you just did.

Not one has replied with an answer.

Gee, i wonder why

Ok. The answer is 3: for D. Beams in 2014, Fevola in 2009 and Travis Johnstone in 2007. How many had Melbourne traded prior to 2013? (I'm going to be surprised if I get an answer.)

If you mean including players, you're basically just looking to sidetrack a separate conversation by positioning the transactions as "Brisbane trading first rounders out" rather than "players demanding to be traded". There's plenty of other comments in this very thread about players leaving Brisbane and alternate ways to assist Brisbane re: retaining players, e.g. facilities, off-field support, etc, that you could've replied to to discuss exactly that so reply to them instead of derailing other lines of discussion.

 

[Jack Richards]

The AFL are helping them upgrade their facilities......

After how long?

Still doesnt changebthe fact that they are struggling to retain top end talent

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Ok. The answer is 2: for D. Beams in 2014 and Travis Johnstone in 2007. How many had Melbourne traded prior to 2013? (I'm going to be surprised if I get an answer.)

If you mean including players, you're basically just looking to sidetrack a separate conversation by positioning the transactions as "Brisbane trading first rounders out" rather than "players demanding to be traded". There's plenty of other comments in this very thread about players leaving Brisbane and alternate ways to assist Brisbane re: retaining players, e.g. facilities, off-field support, etc, that you could've replied to to discuss exactly that so reply to them instead of derailing other lines of discussion.

What picks were used to get the guy from Geelong?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Ok. The answer is 2: for D. Beams in 2014 and Travis Johnstone in 2007. How many had Melbourne traded prior to 2013? (I'm going to be surprised if I get an answer.)

If you mean including players, you're basically just looking to sidetrack a separate conversation by positioning the transactions as "Brisbane trading first rounders out" rather than "players demanding to be traded". There's plenty of other comments in this very thread about players leaving Brisbane and alternate ways to assist Brisbane re: retaining players, e.g. facilities, off-field support, etc, that you could've replied to to discuss exactly that so reply to them instead of derailing other lines of discussion.

Btw, i voted for a pp, pick 1

 

[dlanod]

What picks were used to get the guy from Geelong?

Christensen? Pick 21, IIRC, so outside the top 20 metric being used. I actually forgot the Fev trade, so I've updated it to three. How many had Melbourne traded in the decade or so prior to 2013?

 

[dlanod]

Btw, i voted for a pp, pick 1

I'm going to make one prediction in this thread.

We're not going to get pick 1, despite IMO we deserve it given the combination of getting bumped from pick 4 to 10 and 3 to 8 in the expansion years, the GH5 and Justin Clarke's untimely retirement all greatly reducing the amount of actual talent as opposed to just ok to solid AFL players.

 

[Broar]

They deserve one, and will probably get one. But, they shouldn't get one. Melbourne also deserved a PP, and were in a far worse a position. The AFL knocked them back. If the AFL now come out and give Brisbane a PP, when they overlooked Melbourne, it will be seen as playing favorites. This really would highlight what a very bad job Gil is doing. A system where you allocate PP's out based on personal preference - that is not a well run system. Time Gil went I think, he isn't doing a very good job as it is.

I'll say the whole poor Melbourne missing out on a priory pick in 2013 argument that gets trotted in these threads really annoys me. I mean they were only gifted two first round priority picks in the space of six years, maybe if they didn't tank the AFL would've given them a third.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Christensen? Pick 21, IIRC, so outside the top 20 metric being used. I actually forgot the Fev trade, so I've updated it to three. How many had Melbourne traded in the decade or so prior to 2013?

No idea, i would have to research it. We did trade away many experienced players to get into the first round so it's not as simple as the posts i've seen about it.

Do you think it's relevant?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

I'm going to make one prediction in this thread.

We're not going to get pick 1, despite IMO we deserve it given the combination of getting bumped from pick 4 to 10 and 3 to 8 in the expansion years, the GH5 and Justin Clarke's untimely retirement all greatly reducing the amount of actual talent as opposed to just ok to solid AFL players.

What do you think of my suggestion of giving the Lions pick one but it can only be used on academy players. Left over points can be banked for future drafts for up to 5 years.
This would give them the comfort of investing in local talent but also so they can use their normal picks to build the list or trade for senior players

 

[dlanod]

No idea, i would have to research it. We did trade away many experienced players to get into the first round so it's not as simple as the posts i've seen about it.

Do you think it's relevant?

About as relevant as your question as to how many Brisbane have traded out, given Theo and I were comparing two of the worst teams in recent history.

 

[dlanod]

What do you think of my suggestion of giving the Lions pick one but it can only be used on academy players. Left over points can be banked for future drafts for up to 5 years.
This would give them the comfort of investing in local talent but also so they can use their normal picks to build the list or trade for senior players

It'd be worth considering as an alternate angle. Someone suggested a free academy player for a few years which would probably map fairly evenly to your suggestion, and I don't mind that idea.

 

[Procrastinater]

Brisbane can take Jack Redden back.

 

[frenchconnection]

I'm going to make one prediction in this thread.

We're not going to get pick 1, despite IMO we deserve it given the combination of getting bumped from pick 4 to 10 and 3 to 8 in the expansion years, the GH5 and Justin Clarke's untimely retirement all greatly reducing the amount of actual talent as opposed to just ok to solid AFL players.

What makes you think Brisbane deserve pick 1 due to expansion years over other teams. All teams picks were bumped down the pecking order during the expansion years so you're no Robinson Crusoe there. Unfortunately with Brisbane (after Leigh Matthews left as coach - correct me if I'm wrong) has been mismanagement and not getting the correct coaches in. I know you have had an exodus due to the go home factor which sucks for you. Now that you have the Academy you should now be able to get players who are home-grown?

 

[MitchRobinson12]

Probably been said by someone already but the Lions have a fair bit of young talent and any club would be struggling if you lost Redden, Yeo, Docherty, Leuenberger, Polec etc in a small amount of time. Beams being injured has hurt them a lot as well. They have sound KP prospects and really just need an overhaul of the board and to acquire an experienced coach like how Roos fixed Melbourne, perhaps Bomber Thompson?