Brock Mclown

[richskee]

This guy looks woeful. He's about as useless as Nick Stevens, he's slow, he's kicking like crap and he can't get the ball! Every time he got the ball tonight he had a brain melt and either turned it over or kicked it 10m short.

I'm sure the usual suspects will come on here saying "He's slow because he had an interrupted pre-season, blah blah blah" To tell you the truth I don't give a sh1t. They guy is ORDINARY at best, Jake King has more merit than him atm and he's an absolute *******.

Stop backing this guy up, questions have to be raised. Throw him in the reserves for 3 weeks and MAKE him learn. He's supposed to be a senior player that is touted to captain of this great club. Pathetic I know.

 

[picture in me pasta]

It's been a funny year... back in the day McLean was a gun and Sylvia woeful.. now its the other way round!!!

 

[deeman12]

I share the same sentiment richskee. He was woeful today. Easily our worst tonight.

 

[Crimson Azure]

The problem is he is part of Melbourne’s ground zero, all other abominations spread out from players at a similar position to him. Nothing I repeat nothing can come from the team I watched tonight.

Brock needs to focus more on his football then wearing arm bands for dead criminals.

If he ever gets the captaincy based on his endeavour like tonight I will stop watching AFL.

 

[Dez!]

Why are we singling out just Brock? The lot of them were shit, not just Brock.

 

[master bate]

Can you at least just recycle the thread from all the other weeks.

When 21 players play well and Brock doesn't then I'll be interested. At the moment I can think of 4 who went okay tonight, so why bother singling out McLean from the other 18.

 

[tynanshinin]

he was terrible yes but so were warnock, Jetta, Johnson and quite a few others the only few that i was half happy with were Bruce, Green, Sylvia, Morton, Frawley, Grimes and JB

 

[deeman12]

Can you at least just recycle the thread from all the other weeks.

When 21 players play well and Brock doesn't then I'll be interested. At the moment I can think of 4 who went okay tonight, so why bother singling out McLean from the other 18.

Out of frustration mostly. He was pick 5, has been on the list for 6 years and is regularly touted as a future captain yet he still has days like today. The frustration is justified in my opinion.

 

[RandB]

As bad as McLean is atm, playing him in the reserves won't help him. He is just not in the game. Not only is he slow and a bad kick on the run but I notice he doesn't have any real leg strength - he gets put off his running line too easily with body on body stuff. No power in his legs with either running or kicking or holding off opponents. I hope he improves physically but I think he's in serious trouble. I take no pleasure in saying it either but at some point you have to be a realist.

 

[Colin Grigson]

Great post. We're on fire tonight

 

[richskee]

Great post. We're on fire tonight

I know, i'm not one for the negative posts, but gee it's frustrating.

I never new how hard a re-build was going to be from a spectators point of view. A deadly slow process.

 

[demonboy13]

To all of those that continually stick up for Brock week in, week out...he has not been singled out just this week!!

this has been for weeks and weeks that he has performed terribly...his decision making is disgraceful and that cannot be blamed on a lack of pre-season training (yet somehow it is ), his kicking is woeful a majority of the time, he is slow!

there is no reason why he should be in the team and he has performed miserably week after week and i've had enough!! he isnt valuable to us in any way atm!!

im sorry, but i've had enough!!

 

[eliasd82]

Give him a go in the twos.. Get some condifence in yourself and bring him back in 2 -3 weeks later.

I hate to say this but whelan can be dropped with him. Bring back Dunn and Cheney.

 

[Demon 86]

Did anyone have a problem with his disposal from 2003-2006?

No. Its never been A grade of course, but when a midfielder looks up and sees NOTHING to kick to its not easy. When he looks up and sees Neitz steamrolling through decision making becomes much easier and your kick doesnt have to be pinpoint accurate because he can actually mark the ball.

Our midfield (or entire team) don't block or shepherd for each other, (with the exception of Moloney) and this is another factor in our whole team being inefficient including Brock. Decision making becomes harder due to opposition pressure and lack of support from teammates.

Brock was $hit 2nite along with 17 others. He has been down on form but far from our worst performer (see Paul Johnson. Seriously I'd rather throw Neville Jetta in the ruck right now). Brock will lift soon enough, and the same knockers will be singing his praises alla Colin Sylvia.

 

[demonfan9]

His form has been average, and last night was a shocker (10 disposals at 50%). I think he deserves to be dropped, just as Bailey has done with Robertson, Miller, Jones, etc...

However, I'm not prepared to write him off. We've seen how good a player he can be, and at age 23 he still has plenty of years ahead of him. I'm not using it as an excuse, but a good pre-season can do wonders to a player (Sylvia), so lets hope next year is a much better one for him.

 

[davey_magik]

Brock will be a lot better next season guys, relax. People don't understand how beneficial a good preseason is for a player.

As for PJ, well that man has no future at AFL level I'm afraid to say.

 

[saj_21]

Brock will be a lot better next season guys, relax. People don't understand how beneficial a good preseason is for a player.

Agreed, he had an ankle reconstruction and barely did any running before Xmas. He is having a down year, not going to say bad because he has played some good games. But half a down year out of 6 seasons is not that bad, every player goes though a from slump.

 

[demonfan9]

We've seen with Sylvia (and guys like Tambling, Ray, Koschitzke) that the most disappointing players can turn it around in just a few weeks. There's no doubt Brock can turn it around, maybe not this season, but hopefully in 2010.

We all remember how good he was in 2006, and that was at age 20 (I think).

 

[Dez!]

We've seen with Sylvia (and guys like Tambling, Ray, Koschitzke) that the most disappointing players can turn it around in just a few weeks. There's no doubt Brock can turn it around, maybe not this season, but hopefully in 2010.

We all remember how good he was in 2006, and that was at age 20 (I think).

And last year in the games he played.

 

[Amarula]

Agreed, he had an ankle reconstruction and barely did any running before Xmas.

It was his left (non-kicking) ankle and he ripped the ligament off the bone. If he'd fractured the bone it would have healed by now, but ligament injuries are often worse than fractures longterm.

He's playing like someone who hasn't regained anywhere like full movement in the ankle. Try yourself to see how easy it is to kick and run if you can't move your non-kicking ankle past 90 degrees. He's nowhere near over this injury.

In that case, he needs intensive rehab. Yes, he's tough, and he keeps wanting to play - maybe he talks them into letting him play. He is a team-first man and is doing this because he thinks it's best for the team.

And if he can regain anything like full function in his ankle, he has the quality and the character to be a great player & team leader. If he can't, he's in serious trouble. For his own sake, and for the team's sake present & future, he needs to do what he needs to do to fully get over this bad injury. We need Brock for the future, but I don't think he can contribute much this season, no matter how hard I'm sure he's trying.

I think the key question is: At this stage in the season, is Brock with a stuffed ankle better for the team than a fully-fit Valenti?

 

[Colin Grigson]

I know, i'm not one for the negative posts, but gee it's frustrating.

I never new how hard a re-build was going to be from a spectators point of view. A deadly slow process.

Fair enough. But the thing is, he hasn't had 'just' an injury interrupted preparation, he's virtually done no preseason since 2006..He also did no sprint training last year, so i mean talk about being put behind the eight ball...

I think he's at a bit of a crossroads though. If he can't get his body into the position where he can complete a preseason then its going to be hard to play him. Its going to be hard retaining him on the list. I would just like to reserve judgement until next year.

At least he hasn't had any major injury concerns so far this season. Fingers crossed this continues. I think he could do with a run in the reserves to find some touch though.

But i think you'll see a different player next year if he can get through 90%+ of preseason (inc. sprint training), and there'll also be a few new faces going through the midfield that'll take some of the heat off him

 

[The Dr]

It was his left (non-kicking) ankle and he ripped the ligament off the bone. If he'd fractured the bone it would have healed by now, but ligament injuries are often worse than fractures longterm.

He's playing like someone who hasn't regained anywhere like full movement in the ankle. Try yourself to see how easy it is to kick and run if you can't move your non-kicking ankle past 90 degrees. He's nowhere near over this injury.

In that case, he needs intensive rehab. Yes, he's tough, and he keeps wanting to play - maybe he talks them into letting him play. He is a team-first man and is doing this because he thinks it's best for the team.

And if he can regain anything like full function in his ankle, he has the quality and the character to be a great player & team leader. If he can't, he's in serious trouble. For his own sake, and for the team's sake present & future, he needs to do what he needs to do to fully get over this bad injury. We need Brock for the future, but I don't think he can contribute much this season, no matter how hard I'm sure he's trying.

I think the key question is: At this stage in the season, is Brock with a stuffed ankle better for the team than a fully-fit Valenti?

Good question, and I believe the answer is no.

IF Brock's bad form is 100 % due to the ankle/limited preseason (and I believe it is) then I think he should rest up, sort it out and get ready for a massive 2010, and then Valenti would have 8 games or whatever to show if he's up to AFL standard.

 

[saj_21]

Fair enough. But the thing is, he hasn't had 'just' an injury interrupted preparation, he's virtually done no preseason since 2006..He also did no sprint training last year, so i mean talk about being put behind the eight ball...

I think he's at a bit of a crossroads though. If he can't get his body into the position where he can complete a preseason then its going to be hard to play him. Its going to be hard retaining him on the list. I would just like to reserve judgement until next year.

At least he hasn't had any major injury concerns so far this season. Fingers crossed this continues. I think he could do with a run in the reserves to find some touch though.

But i think you'll see a different player next year if he can get through 90%+ of preseason (inc. sprint training), and there'll also be a few new faces going through the midfield that'll take some of the heat off him

Piss off we gave Sylvia 5 years and you wanna piss mclean off after having 2 interupted pre seasons. The bloke has had a down start to the year after 5 good years at the club get real and get an idea.

And for the record his avg 20 odd touches a game this year its not like he has bn pathetic or isn't trying.

 

[stickman11]

It's been a funny year... back in the day McLean was a gun and Sylvia woeful.. now its the other way round!!!

I put own to game plan. I am begining to believe that Bailey has little understanding about where the list is. It is almost like he has taken what he learnt from Williams and is trying to implement a game plan that just isn't suited to the typ of players we have.

He needs to rethink what he is doing. I am not even sure what that is?

I know that under Daniher, all these player were playing with a higher level of skills. Something has changed under Bailey and for the past 18 months, nothing has been achieved despite what we are told.

This is seriously the darkest days I can remember at this club.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

To be frank, if last season was a dark time, I suggest that going through that season with Daniher still at the helm would have been even worse and more painful...