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Now sides obviously can win premierships without having brownlow medialists in their midfields but it sure does help. There is no subsitute for class.

Last 10 yrs:

2000 - winner essendon no brownlow medalists
2001 - winner lions,2 brownlow medalists in midfield
2002- winner lions,2 brownlow medalists in midfield
2003 - winner lions,3 brownlow medalists in midfield
2004 - winner Port, no brownlow medalists
2005 - winner swans, 1 brownlow medalists in midfield
2006 - winner Slime, 2 brownlow medalists in midfield
2007 - winner Cats, 1 brownlow medalists in midfield
2008 - winner hawks 1 brownlow medalist in midfield
2009 - winner Cats,2 brownlow medalists in midfield
 
wehavethepassion said:
2003 - winner lions,3 brownlow medalists in midfield
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No wonder they were so bloody good when their entire starting midfield were all Brownlow medallists.

So I guess this thread is hinting we should take another midfielder with pick 4?
 
estibador said:
No wonder they were so bloody good when their entire starting midfield were all Brownlow medallists.

So I guess this thread is hinting we should take another midfielder with pick 4?
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yep.... adn when you consider headland came runner up in 02.... and lappin and power were both brilliant footballers. you can see just how good that side was.

i would back the brisbane lions of 2001-03 to beat any side that has ever been put on a footy field. agree?
 

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Being successful lends itself to having a midfielder with a brownlow medal.. they don't have to be the best. Of course some teams do have the best player (Geelong and Carlton). Hawthorns Brownlow Medalist was well past his absolute best form and wouldn't have got a start in the Geelong midfield that he was up against.. but they still won.
 
A James Hird would help, but a premium midfield is a must for a premiership.. It's a must we take the best available mid with our 4th
 
hmm maybe the midfielders in the team that won the GF had the best team so the best midfielder in there team gets noticed by umpires coz all they understand is this player is flashy and got alot of the ball therefore he gets 3 votes.
I would say Scarlett,Selwood are much more valueable than ablett and what they do has more impact on there success than ablett and his cheap possesions.

brownlow medals mean nothing it just goes to the guy who gets noticed the most by umpires.

Despite that yes everyone knows a midfield is very important and without a quality midfield you dont stand a chance even if you have the best forward line in the competition.
Midfield and Defense are the keys to success.
 
Correction to my original post. Yes Jimmy hird was a brownlow medalist and during 2000( as was stated by a previous poster) was in the midfield at certain stages of game.

Also i did forget about Wanganeen from port. However i think for most part he played up forward in 2004.

So in actual fact the side which has won the flag in last 10 yearss have had at least one brownlow medalist running around.

The midfield is critical to success however that said a talented back 6, a potent foward line and two quality ruckmen wouldn't go a stray either.

Basically to win a flag you need A graders on each line.
 
Sman-21 said:
hmm maybe the midfielders in the team that won the GF had the best team so the best midfielder in there team gets noticed by umpires coz all they understand is this player is flashy and got alot of the ball therefore he gets 3 votes.
I would say Scarlett,Selwood are much more valueable than ablett and what they do has more impact on there success than ablett and his cheap possesions.

brownlow medals mean nothing it just goes to the guy who gets noticed the most by umpires.

Despite that yes everyone knows a midfield is very important and without a quality midfield you dont stand a chance even if you have the best forward line in the competition.
Midfield and Defense are the keys to success.
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cant agree with this... no one player in the AFL works harder or runs harder than ablett, love him or hate him, he is the best player in the league by a fair margin
 

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Adelaide in 97, 98 won flags without a Brownlow medalist.. they had a future Brownlow medalist in the 98 flag with Roo. Kangaroos didn't have one in 99. The Brownlow isn't as relevant as it once was. Midfielders get noticed too much and being in a winning side helps. The best player could be playing for a 14th best side and he still won't win a Brownlow.. All it indicates is you have had a good year in a good side.
 
Lach72 said:
It's true.
If Geelong asked for Sandi and were willing to give up Selwood, I'd wave the big fella goodbye, shed a few tears and look for a big bodied ruckman to fill the gap until Clarke was ready
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Crazy talk. Keep Sandi and teach De Boer to duck his head every time anyone goes near him
 
Yeah, I'm convinced now that a midfield is utmost for a premiership. More than ever.

Great KPP forwards help, but aren't essential. All you need is halfway decent ones. Key defenders are more important.

Ask yourself, when was the last time a key forward absolutely dominated on grand final day? You'd have to go back 20 years, and it was Gary Ablett Sr, whose team lost.

We should take the best midfielder with our first pick in this draft, no question.
 
It would be interesting to see how many very good backmen, rucks and forwards came from 3rd round and beyond to the rookie list.

So many mids required these days, also backmen who play like mids. Just off the top of my head, Sandi Cox and Jolly were all rookie draft selections.
 

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gravy said:
B Key defenders are more important.

Ask yourself, when was the last time a key forward absolutely dominated on grand final day? You'd have to go back 20 years, and it was Gary Ablett Sr, whose team lost.

We should take the best midfielder with our first pick in this draft, no question.
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I agree gravy... even quinten lynch, who is a HORRIBLE footballer kicked 60 goals in 06, the guy is a walking punchline, yet he is a premiership CHF..... we all know that cousins kerr and judd won that premiership not lynch and hansen

i think the ablett/bartell/corey versus hawkins and mooney is the same

you need awesome midfielders kicking it to average forww\ards, and a rock solid defence to boot.....
 
Lach72 said:
It would be interesting to see how many very good backmen, rucks and forwards came from 3rd round and beyond to the rookie list.

So many mids required these days, also backmen who play like mids. Just off the top of my head, Sandi Cox and Jolly were all rookie draft selections.
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You have guys like Corey Enright and James Kelly, who would be mids in a lot of other teams, playing as rebounding half backs and back pockets. The midfield is just about made up of 13 players on the ground. You have four KPPs and a ruck, and you might have a reserve ruck and another three mids on the bench.

All in all, in a best 22, 16 midfielders is pretty much the requirement. You'd need a few athletic talls like Mackie, but he is still generally more in the midfield mold than the KPP mold.

Geelong won a premiership with only one genuine first class KPP, Matt Scarlett. They had about 6-7 first class mids. To me, that shows the value of KPPs versus mids.
 
gravy said:
Ask yourself, when was the last time a key forward absolutely dominated on grand final day? You'd have to go back 20 years, and it was Gary Ablett Sr, whose team lost./quote]

That is generally because the best two teams all year have two of the best defences.

You had the greatest FF of all time in 1996 play for Sydney but was nullified by a great defence that the Kangas had.

Also - if GA Sr counts as a key forward, so does Darren Jarman ;)
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Bradesmaen said:
That is generally because the best two teams all year have two of the best defences.

You had the greatest FF of all time in 1996 play for Sydney but was nullified by a great defence that the Kangas had.
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Yeah, I agree with that, but Lockett wasn't nullified in the 1996 GF - he still kicked six goals. The Swans were probably hurt by O'Brien being knocked out early.

Also - if GA Sr counts as a key forward, so does Darren Jarman ;)
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Because he was only 6'1"? Dunstall wasn't very tall either (6'2"). Ablett played full forward, so he was technically a KPP.
 
Bradesmaen said:
Also - if GA Sr counts as a key forward, so does Darren Jarman ;)
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Can you explain this to me please. I gather your implying GA Snr was not a key forward? :confused:

GA Snr's record includes these stats, which I would not expect from anybody who does not play as a key forward.

3 Coleman medals
More than 100 goals in a season on 3 occasions
1021 career goals
Played as full forward for the later part of his career at Geelong.
Named All Australia Full Forward 1993, 94, 95.
 
Selggad said:
Can you explain this to me please. I gather your implying GA Snr was not a key forward? :confused:

GA Snr's record includes these stats, which I would not expect from anybody who does not play as a key forward.

3 Coleman medals
More than 100 goals in a season on 3 occasions
1021 career goals
Played as full forward for the later part of his career at Geelong.
Named All Australia Full Forward 1993, 94, 95.
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GAblett wasn't a traditional sized forward thats all. He was a flanker most of his career till late one. Jarman similar and therefore the Crows won with a FF having a big game.

Also I forgot that Lockett kicked 6. For some reason I kept thinking he did nothing. Well, it was 13 years ago.
 

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